Total Depravity vs. Freewill
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Of coarse it is. I dont have a problem with that. And Im grateful He saved me.
I have no reason to boast. We have found our differences and thats all i wanted to
understand. I think i understand now. thanks
I have no reason to boast. We have found our differences and thats all i wanted to
understand. I think i understand now. thanks
The preaching of the gospel is not about an offer of salvation to sinners if the sinners would only do their part. The preaching of the gospel is about an unconditional promise of salvation conditioned on the work and person of Jesus Christ alone, in whom all God's righteous demands and requirements are fulfilled. God's covenant of grace is not a conditional covenant. It is a sure and certain covenant that ensures the salvation of all whom God gave to Christ. It is based on the finished, accomplished and efficacious work of Christ. God is not waiting for the sinner to respond before He can do His saving work. God saves unconditionally. And when He saves His people, He causes them to believe the gospel of salvation conditioned on Christ alone and also to repent of all kind of thinking that salvation was in some way, shape or form conditioned on themselves.
John 1:12; 17:21-23; Rom.3:22; 4:6-8; 5:1-2,19; 8:14-17,33-39; 1Cor.1:30; 6:11; 2Cor.5:21; Gal. 3:26; 4:5-7; Eph. 1:4-5; 2:14-19; 3:11-12; 5:25-27; Col1:20-22; 2Thess.2:13; Tit. 3:7; Heb.2:10-11; 1John 1:3; 3:1; Rev.21:7.
John 1:12; 17:21-23; Rom.3:22; 4:6-8; 5:1-2,19; 8:14-17,33-39; 1Cor.1:30; 6:11; 2Cor.5:21; Gal. 3:26; 4:5-7; Eph. 1:4-5; 2:14-19; 3:11-12; 5:25-27; Col1:20-22; 2Thess.2:13; Tit. 3:7; Heb.2:10-11; 1John 1:3; 3:1; Rev.21:7.
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If free will does not exist then God is the author of sin, a notion than utterly contradicts scripture for God is light and there is no darkness to be found in Him.
Scripture states that there is only one that is good and that is God thus God is the source of all that is good and nothing good could come unless it come from God.
I could see how one could say that once saved, our will is no longer our own. However, to say that the mind of a sinful man comes from God is a lie because scripture also states that God tempts no one thus sin must originate from another source.
Scripture states that there is only one that is good and that is God thus God is the source of all that is good and nothing good could come unless it come from God.
I could see how one could say that once saved, our will is no longer our own. However, to say that the mind of a sinful man comes from God is a lie because scripture also states that God tempts no one thus sin must originate from another source.
Can God create something without ever making any effort to? God never created darkness as in 'let there be darkness', but it is only His absence that creates the darkness. Same thing with the carnal mind. God never gave anyone a carnal mind. It was only God giving man the free will to turn his back on Him that begat carnality.
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Elect: some verses that talk about them
Jn.3:16 Whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life
Jn.11:25,26 I am the resurrection and the life...whosoever believeth in Me shall never die
Acts 16:31 Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved
Rom.10:9,10 If thou shalt...believe in thine heart...thou shalt be saved
Jn.3:16 God...gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him, should...have everlasting life
Jn.10:9 I am the door: by Me if any man enter in...be saved
Rev.3:20 If any man...open the door, I will come in to him
Jn.1:12 But as many as received Him...power to become sons
again notice order
Are you saying that the ones who use their ability to "choose the right", which you say is given them in prevenient grace, are the Elect? Man did the choosing, not God.
Well...you have picked scriptures out of context and left out other scriptures who seemingly "contradict" the ones you have quoted...the question that matters here is how you harmonize and summarize all the scriptures relevant to the issue in totality. Did you ever try to do that hard work?
But, other than that, what's new? We're back to square one again, are we not?
PS. Btw none of these scriptures imply any ability for natural man to make a "free will" choice about salvation.
Well...you have picked scriptures out of context and left out other scriptures who seemingly "contradict" the ones you have quoted...the question that matters here is how you harmonize and summarize all the scriptures relevant to the issue in totality. Did you ever try to do that hard work?
But, other than that, what's new? We're back to square one again, are we not?
PS. Btw none of these scriptures imply any ability for natural man to make a "free will" choice about salvation.
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Well...OK...yet conditionalism is all about man's ability.
You can do it, if you just want it! That's the message.
And about God's promise, what is it? And to whom is it given?
Ah, and one more question; didn't all men everywhere who ever lived in Abraham's day also get the same "possibility" by being "aided" to "choose" as Abraham did?
You can do it, if you just want it! That's the message.
And about God's promise, what is it? And to whom is it given?
Ah, and one more question; didn't all men everywhere who ever lived in Abraham's day also get the same "possibility" by being "aided" to "choose" as Abraham did?
