Traducianism / Creationism

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Traducianism....the soul is formed at conception from the 'union' of the parents.

Creationism...God 'directly' creates each soul at conception

Any biblical support for either?
 
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might be set up like an automatic control system where the soul is automatically created at conception by the creative processes established by GOD. (sorry no scripture)
 
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Is there much philosophical or scientific evidence to support the concept of a soul? But we must ask what is the actual definition of a soul?
 
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DannyC said:
Is there much philosophical or scientific evidence to support the concept of a soul? But we must ask what is the actual definition of a soul?
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No no no. We are taking Scripture (not man's understanding) at it's Word. There is no room for debate amongst Christians that man has a soul. With Adam God breathed into Adam and he became a living soul. Since Adam how do we receive our soul at conception?
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
might be set up like an automatic control system where the soul is automatically created at conception by the creative processes established by GOD. (sorry no scripture)
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That might be closest to the Traducian view...or even deism?
 
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No no no. We are taking Scripture (not man's understanding) at it's Word. There is no room for debate amongst Christians that man has a soul. With Adam God breathed into Adam and he became a living soul. Since Adam how do we receive our soul at conception?
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Well my take, if we take scripture at its word, is that if God breathed into Adam the breath of life and Adam became a living soul, than a soul is a living being. There's no separate something-or-other floating around in Adam's physical body that lives on after Adam dies and returns to the dust. That soul is Adam, and when Adam dies, obviously that soul dies. Again, that soul is Adam.

Hey, and I'm a Christian and have been all my life.
 
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DannyC said:
Is there much philosophical or scientific evidence to support the concept of a soul? But we must ask what is the actual definition of a soul?
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I think your question is perfectly valid, though you're speaking of the concept of a soul as a separate entity from the body. Many translations don't even use the word soul in Genesis. They say things like, "when God breathed the breath of life into Adam, Adam became a living being." One even says "living person." Another says "living creature."

I guess you'd call my version "literalism."
 
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Well my take, if we take scripture at its word, is that if God breathed into Adam the breath of life and Adam became a living soul, than a soul is a living being. There's no separate something-or-other floating around in Adam's physical body that lives on after Adam dies and returns to the dust. That soul is Adam, and when Adam dies, obviously that soul dies. Again, that soul is Adam.

Hey, and I'm a Christian and have been all my life.
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ok, but in what manner did we receive our soul?
 
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Shiloah said:
I think your question is perfectly valid, though you're speaking of the concept of a soul as a separate entity from the body. Many translations don't even use the word soul in Genesis. They say things like, "when God breathed the breath of life into Adam, Adam became a living being." One even says "living person." Another says "living creature."

I guess you'd call my version "literalism."
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how about that immaterial part of us that goes to judgement upon death?
 
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For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. Psalm 139:12

saiah 44:24 "This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,
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Not sure if this helps or not, because it does not go into more detail.
 
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Is there much philosophical or scientific evidence to support the concept of a soul? But we must ask what is the actual definition of a soul?
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Sorry, Danny C. This is about one of two concepts within Christianity. Please don't derail the thread because you feel the need to debate atheism. There are other threads for that.
 
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Sorry, Danny C. This is about one of two concepts within Christianity. Please don't derail the thread because you feel the need to debate atheism. There are other threads for that.
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I'm not an atheist, and there aren't just two concepts in Christianity.
 
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how about that immaterial part of us that goes to judgement upon death?
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What immaterial part? The dead rise to the sound of the last trump and the shout of the archangel.
 
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ok, but in what manner did we receive our soul?
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See, you have it so firmly intrenched in your thinking that a soul is a separate something other than the person that you can't even understand what I am saying. The soul IS a living being. Adam was a living being. When the spirit left Adam at death (which is not the consciousness) and went back to God, the soul (Adam/the person) died and returned to the dust. Hence, "if you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you will die."

By the way, I just realized, when Jesus died on the cross, He said, "into thy hands I commend My spirit." He did NOT say, "into thy hands I commend my soul."
 
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Shiloah said:
I'm not an atheist, and there aren't just two concepts in Christianity.
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There are just two on this thread. A or B..I am not asking about C-Z.
 
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There are just two on this thread. A or B..I am not asking about C-Z.
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Oh, I guess only you people's opinion count as Christian opinion? And my opinion rates as creationism. I believe in a creator and that we were created.
 
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Shiloah said:
See, you have it so firmly intrenched in your thinking that a soul is a separate something other than the person that you can't even understand what I am saying. The soul IS a living being. Adam was a living being. When the spirit left Adam at death (which is not the consciousness) and went back to God, the soul (Adam/the person) died and returned to the dust. Hence, "if you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you will die."

By the way, I just realized, when Jesus died on the cross, He said, "into thy hands I commend My spirit." He did NOT say, "into thy hands I commend my soul."
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Ok that's your view, thank you.
 
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Ok that's your view, thank you.
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My view rates as creationism. I believe in a creator. It's the usual, we have the correct doctrine and you do not snobbery.
 
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Just another question I will have for God when I get to Heaven.
 
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There are just two on this thread. A or B..I am not asking about C-Z.
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Well it's not A or B, it's C. Hahaha. I'll check out other threads and leave you two alone.
 
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