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The Trinity.
One.
No. The persons of the Trinity are not multiple gods.
God the Father should be worshiped in Spirit and truth.
God the Son should be worshiped in Spirit and truth.
God the Holy Spirit should be worshiped in Spirit and truth.
Trinity.
The passage being discussed is one of the Trinity proof texts but very few realize it.
One.
No. The persons of the Trinity are not multiple gods.
God the Father should be worshiped in Spirit and truth.
God the Son should be worshiped in Spirit and truth.
God the Holy Spirit should be worshiped in Spirit and truth.
Trinity.
The passage being discussed is one of the Trinity proof texts but very few realize it.
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The Word was God;
Now the Bible teaches us that there is one God (James 2:19), the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, Romans 15:6, James 3:9 (kjv)).
Jesus even said to the Father that He is the only true God (John 17:3).
Now, it is my contention that Jesus is the incarnation of the one true God; and that therefore He is the Father come in human flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7, Isaiah 9:6, John 14:7-11, 1 Timothy 3:16 (kjv)).
Now the Bible teaches us that there is one God (James 2:19), the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6, Romans 15:6, James 3:9 (kjv)).
Jesus even said to the Father that He is the only true God (John 17:3).
Now, it is my contention that Jesus is the incarnation of the one true God; and that therefore He is the Father come in human flesh (1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7, Isaiah 9:6, John 14:7-11, 1 Timothy 3:16 (kjv)).
Unfortunately, there are those who hide behind the label of Trinitarian who are in all reality Tritheists in their theology.
They can be discovered when you ask them whether the members of the Godhead are separate, or distinct. Tritheists will contend for the idea that they are separate.
This includes the concepts that the Son is not the Father, etc.
Because the Son is the same Spirit as the Father, albeit He is come in human flesh.
If the Son is even a different Spirit than the Father, then that is two Gods...two Spirits who are God.
But if the Father incarnated in human flesh, then you have one God, as the Bible teaches us (James 2:19); and the 2nd Person of the Trinity is the incarnation of God; as we find in a number of verses (Isaiah 9:6, John 14:7-11, 1 Timothy 3:16 (kjv)).
They can be discovered when you ask them whether the members of the Godhead are separate, or distinct. Tritheists will contend for the idea that they are separate.
This includes the concepts that the Son is not the Father, etc.
Because the Son is the same Spirit as the Father, albeit He is come in human flesh.
If the Son is even a different Spirit than the Father, then that is two Gods...two Spirits who are God.
But if the Father incarnated in human flesh, then you have one God, as the Bible teaches us (James 2:19); and the 2nd Person of the Trinity is the incarnation of God; as we find in a number of verses (Isaiah 9:6, John 14:7-11, 1 Timothy 3:16 (kjv)).
When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
Matt16:13-17
An alternative discussion:
When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus shook his head. No Peter, that is not enough. You must believe I am part of an equal Trinity and have been for infinitum. The Father, myself and the Holy Spirit are all the one true God. In the ontological sense of trinity I am fully equal and not subject to the Father in anyway. But in the economic sense, I am and always have been subject to the Father.
Peter shakes his head and walks away, he doesn't understand
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
Matt16:13-17
An alternative discussion:
When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus shook his head. No Peter, that is not enough. You must believe I am part of an equal Trinity and have been for infinitum. The Father, myself and the Holy Spirit are all the one true God. In the ontological sense of trinity I am fully equal and not subject to the Father in anyway. But in the economic sense, I am and always have been subject to the Father.
Peter shakes his head and walks away, he doesn't understand
No; that is not Tritheism.
It seems that you have confused Tritheism for Trinitarianism and believe that Tritheism is Trinitarianism.
You are incorrect. Trinitarianism portrays one God in three Persons; not three Gods.
If the Son is eternally begotten, that is two Spirits in heaven who are God (before the Word became flesh).
While the Bible speaks of the fact that there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).
But it should be clear that, scripturally, the Son was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35).
It seems that you have confused Tritheism for Trinitarianism and believe that Tritheism is Trinitarianism.
You are incorrect. Trinitarianism portrays one God in three Persons; not three Gods.
If the Son is eternally begotten, that is two Spirits in heaven who are God (before the Word became flesh).
While the Bible speaks of the fact that there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).
But it should be clear that, scripturally, the Son was begotten in the incarnation (Luke 1:35).
Concerning whether or not the Father is a Spirit, let's enter in through the back door.
I would ask you whether you believe that the Father is God?
Because if He is God, then He is a Spirit according to John 4:24.
For we know that Jesus is a Spirit (albeit come in the flesh) by the same logic; understanding that He is God.
And just a little side-kick, to remind you that there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4);
And that therefore the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are the same Spirit / essence.
I would ask you whether you believe that the Father is God?
Because if He is God, then He is a Spirit according to John 4:24.
For we know that Jesus is a Spirit (albeit come in the flesh) by the same logic; understanding that He is God.
And just a little side-kick, to remind you that there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4);
And that therefore the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are the same Spirit / essence.
Isa 45:5, I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isa 44:6, Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isa 44:8, Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
1Ti 3:16, And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Isa 44:6, Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isa 44:8, Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
1Ti 3:16, And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.