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You have time to delete the other post.

Well, knowing the screen size might help :unsure:

They do not have to be mega sized for screensavers.
Mine is

Your Screen Resolution is
1120x700
Screen Width: 1120 pixels
Screen Height: 700 pixels


http://whatismyscreenresolution.net/
I googled what is my screen size
first link
 
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John 17:21
that they all may be one, as You, Father, [are] in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

This gives a set theoretical description. Christ is in the Father and the Father is in Christ. This proves equality.

You only drew the Son in the Father with your rectangles, not the Father in the Son. You are showing the Father not contained in the Son, but the reality is that 'in Him all the fullness of the godhead dwells'

IOW rectangle A = rectangle B.
John 10: 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
John 10: 18 The Father issues commands and the Son obeys.

Heb 1: 8 But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Heb 1: 8 The Father gives Jesus a kingdom to rule forever, made up of righteous beings who worship Him as a God. Notice that He doesn't say , "of our kingdom", although Christ's kingdom is part of the Father's kingdom.

Heb 1: 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellant name than they.
Heb 1: 4 "Being made " can only mean what it says. " by inheritance " means that because He was the first creation of the Father, He inherits special privileges, standing, and honor ( just like the Old Testament concerning the first born son).

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.
Eph 1:2 ...from God, our Father....and from the Lord Jesus Christ...

The Father is Father and God of both us and Jesus Christ. We are not equal to the Father and neither is Christ. We are in Christ and Christ is in the Father because we posses the Father's Spirit which was given to Jesus when He was glorified and to us when we put all our faith and trust in the Father's plan for our salvation through Jesus Christ. We receive all spiritual blessings because we are part of Jesus' spiritual body. In Eph 1: 2 , Grace and peace come from two different entities. If they were the same entities, then it would have sufficed to say just from either one.
 

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John 10: 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
John 10: 18 The Father issues commands and the Son obeys.


Heb 1: 8 But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Heb 1: 8 The Father gives Jesus a kingdom to rule forever, made up of righteous beings who worship Him as a God. Notice that He doesn't say , "of our kingdom", although Christ's kingdom is part of the Father's kingdom.


Heb 1: 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellant name than they.
Heb 1: 4 "Being made " can only mean what it says. " by inheritance " means that because He was the first creation of the Father, He inherits special privileges, standing, and honor ( just like the Old Testament concerning the first born son).


Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.
Eph 1:2 ...from God, our Father....and from the Lord Jesus Christ...

The Father is Father and God of both us and Jesus Christ. We are not equal to the Father and neither is Christ. We are in Christ and Christ is in the Father because we posses the Father's Spirit which was given to Jesus when He was glorified and to us when we put all our faith and trust in the Father's plan for our salvation through Jesus Christ. We receive all spiritual blessings because we are part of Jesus' spiritual body. In Eph 1: 2 , Grace and peace come from two different entities. If they were the same entities, then it would have sufficed to say just from either one.


the throne of God and of The Lamb
(Revelation 22:3)



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It is not the same thing. God is Almighty and can do anything He wills. Lower beings are the ones that pray to Him because He is Supreme.

John 17: 3 " And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the ONLY TRUE GOD , and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent."
How important is it to understand the Trinity? To those that claim that the Trinity is a mystery beyond our understanding, from a brother who loves you, you had better do a better job of investigating before giving up and declaring " It's a mystery." Knowing the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is the basis for understanding Scripture. Jesus is the Christ. He is our Lord, our God, and our Savior, but the Father is the One God of all ( including Jesus).
Eph 1: 3 Blessed be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ,
It is the Father who is the God of Jesus and who blesses us with spiritual blessings in Christ. We are in Christ when we become part of Christ's body. This happens when we receive the Father's Spirit which was given to Jesus when Jesus was glorified.
Who is the IAM that appeared to Moses and spoke with him???
Was it the Father? the Son? or the Holy Spirit?
 
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John 17:21
that they all may be one, as You, Father, [are] in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

This gives a set theoretical description. Christ is in the Father and the Father is in Christ. This proves equality.

You only drew the Son in the Father with your rectangles, not the Father in the Son. You are showing the Father not contained in the Son, but the reality is that 'in Him all the fullness of the godhead dwells'

IOW rectangle A = rectangle B.
The Father:
is the Father of spirits Eph 1: 17, Heb 12: 9
is the Father of Glory Eph 1: 17
is the Father of Christ Eph 1: 3, Eph 3: 14-15, 1 Peter 1: 3, Rom

15: 6
blesses us with spiritual blessings Eph 1: 3
wrought the working of His mighty power in Christ Eph 1: 19-20,

John 10: 37-38
set Christ at His own right hand Eph 1: 20
set Christ above all except the Father Eph 1: 20-21, 1 Cor 15: 27-

28
put all things under Christ's feet Eph 1: 22
gave Christ to be the head over all things to the Church Eph 1:22
fills Christ's spiritual body throughout history with His Spirit joined to the spirit of those saved until it becomes full Eph 1: 23
appointed His Son heir of all things Heb 1: 2, Heb 3: 2,
has a will different from Jesus John 6: 38
has His will obeyed by Jesus John 6: 38, John 12: 49-50
sends Jesus on a mission John 6: 38, John 11: 42, John 8: 42, Matt 10:

40
is the God of Jesus Christ Eph 1:3, Heb 1: 9, Psalm 45: 6-7
anoints Christ with the oil of gladness above His peers Heb 1: 9
speaks to Christ in the Old Testament Matt 22: 42-46, Psalm 110: 1
and Christ are both Lords Matt 22: 42-46, Psalm 110: 1
Baptizes in His Name those that are in heaven Eph 3: 15
has knowledge that Christ doesn't have Matt 20: 23, Matt 24: 36
can do things that Christ can't do Matt 20: 23
is the One God of all Eph 4: 6
is the One Lord of all Eph 4: 5
is the One who decides when Acts 1: 7
chooses who will receive His Spirit Isaiah 42: 1
declares His Son a God with His own kingdom Heb 1:8, Isaiah 40: 10-

11
hath begotten us again 1 Peter 1: 3
opens up the door to Heaven for those that are in Christ John 14: 6
fills Jesus with His Spirit and speaks and works through Him John 14:

10-12
is greater than Jesus ( according to Jesus) John 14: 28
commands and sends Jesus so the Father is greater John 13: 16
will issue His Spirit of truth to Jesus who in turn will send it to us
John 15: 26
gives eternal life to Jesus and those that are in Him 1 John 5: 20
lets us know that Christ is our God and the means for eternal life 1

John 5: 20, John 1: 1-5
has always existed and has no beginning. The beginning starts when
Christ was brought into being by the Father John 1: 1-5
gives authority to Christ in heaven and on earth Matt 28: 18
is prayed to by Jesus Matt 11: 25, John 11: 41, 12: 28, John 17: 1-26
delivers all things to the Son Matt 11: 27
is known only by the Son and to whomsoever the Son will reveal
Him Matt 11: 27
Forms Christ out of His own essence or Spirit John 8: 42
tells and teaches Jesus what to say and do John 8: 28
rewards Christ by giving Him a kingdom of Spirit-filled believers
Isaiah 40: 10-11
has made Jesus both Lord and Christ Acts 2: 36
only accepts worship from those who have received His Spirit and
receive His truth John 4: 23-24
is selective in revealing the true understanding of who God and Jesus are John 4: 23-24
makes Christ our Lord, our Savior, and our God but the Father is God of all 1 Cor 8: 5-6

through His Spirit, causes us to believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior 1 Cor 12: 3
is Christ's maker and speaks through Him Isaiah 45: 11
is God of gods, and Lord of Lords Deut 10: 17
is in total control of what Jesus says and does John 12: 49-50
 

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The Father:
is the Father of spirits Eph 1: 17, Heb 12: 9
is the Father of Glory Eph 1: 17
is the Father of Christ Eph 1: 3, Eph 3: 14-15, 1 Peter 1: 3, Rom

15: 6
blesses us with spiritual blessings Eph 1: 3
wrought the working of His mighty power in Christ Eph 1: 19-20,

John 10: 37-38
set Christ at His own right hand Eph 1: 20
set Christ above all except the Father Eph 1: 20-21, 1 Cor 15: 27-

28
put all things under Christ's feet Eph 1: 22
gave Christ to be the head over all things to the Church Eph 1:22
fills Christ's spiritual body throughout history with His Spirit joined to the spirit of those saved until it becomes full Eph 1: 23
appointed His Son heir of all things Heb 1: 2, Heb 3: 2,
has a will different from Jesus John 6: 38
has His will obeyed by Jesus John 6: 38, John 12: 49-50
sends Jesus on a mission John 6: 38, John 11: 42, John 8: 42, Matt 10:

40
is the God of Jesus Christ Eph 1:3, Heb 1: 9, Psalm 45: 6-7
anoints Christ with the oil of gladness above His peers Heb 1: 9
speaks to Christ in the Old Testament Matt 22: 42-46, Psalm 110: 1
and Christ are both Lords Matt 22: 42-46, Psalm 110: 1
Baptizes in His Name those that are in heaven Eph 3: 15
has knowledge that Christ doesn't have Matt 20: 23, Matt 24: 36
can do things that Christ can't do Matt 20: 23
is the One God of all Eph 4: 6
is the One Lord of all Eph 4: 5
is the One who decides when Acts 1: 7
chooses who will receive His Spirit Isaiah 42: 1
declares His Son a God with His own kingdom Heb 1:8, Isaiah 40: 10-

11
hath begotten us again 1 Peter 1: 3
opens up the door to Heaven for those that are in Christ John 14: 6
fills Jesus with His Spirit and speaks and works through Him John 14:

10-12
is greater than Jesus ( according to Jesus) John 14: 28
commands and sends Jesus so the Father is greater John 13: 16
will issue His Spirit of truth to Jesus who in turn will send it to us
John 15: 26
gives eternal life to Jesus and those that are in Him 1 John 5: 20
lets us know that Christ is our God and the means for eternal life 1

John 5: 20, John 1: 1-5
has always existed and has no beginning. The beginning starts when
Christ was brought into being by the Father John 1: 1-5
gives authority to Christ in heaven and on earth Matt 28: 18
is prayed to by Jesus Matt 11: 25, John 11: 41, 12: 28, John 17: 1-26
delivers all things to the Son Matt 11: 27
is known only by the Son and to whomsoever the Son will reveal
Him Matt 11: 27
Forms Christ out of His own essence or Spirit John 8: 42
tells and teaches Jesus what to say and do John 8: 28
rewards Christ by giving Him a kingdom of Spirit-filled believers
Isaiah 40: 10-11
has made Jesus both Lord and Christ Acts 2: 36
only accepts worship from those who have received His Spirit and
receive His truth John 4: 23-24
is selective in revealing the true understanding of who God and Jesus are John 4: 23-24
makes Christ our Lord, our Savior, and our God but the Father is God of all 1 Cor 8: 5-6

through His Spirit, causes us to believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior 1 Cor 12: 3
is Christ's maker and speaks through Him Isaiah 45: 11
is God of gods, and Lord of Lords Deut 10: 17
is in total control of what Jesus says and does John 12: 49-50

the throne of God and of The Lamb
(Revelation 22:3)



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posthuman

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only accepts worship from those who have received His Spirit and
receive His truth John 4: 23-24
they worshiped Him,
and returned to Jerusalem with great joy
(Luke 24:52)
let Him be who HE IS, bro

not according to human understanding.
according to divine revelation :)
 

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Who is the IAM that appeared to Moses and spoke with him???
Was it the Father? the Son? or the Holy Spirit?
John 8:58 ASV - "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am."

Could it be . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Jesus? Who is also God? Who is also said to do the same Work as the Spirit?
 
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the throne of God and of The Lamb
(Revelation 22:3)



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I thought that I had explained that in a previous post. If there was one throne for the two of them , it would have read " the throne of God and the lamb". " The throne of God and of the Lamb" means " the throne of God and the throne of the Lamb". Christ has a kingdom and a throne within the kingdom of the Father ( who also has a kingdom and a throne). You need to read my posts.
 

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If there was one throne for the two of them , it would have read " the throne of God and the lamb".
check the grammar bro.
be my guest.

"
throne" is singular. not two thrones. the right arm of the LORD is also the LORD.

one throne.
God & THE LAMB.

ONE.
 
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John 8:58 ASV - "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am."

Could it be . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Jesus? Who is also God? Who is also said to do the same Work as the Spirit?
Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Christ's name is JEHOVAH and He represented the Father in the Old Testament. The Father spoke and performed His work through Christ then as He does now. The God of the Old Testament is Christ representing the Father in words and deeds. Christ was not idle until He became human.
 
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Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Christ's name is JEHOVAH and He represented the Father in the Old Testament. The Father spoke and performed His work through Christ then as He does now. The God of the Old Testament is Christ representing the Father in words and deeds. Christ was not idle until He became human.
Who appeared to Moses and spoke with Moses on the Mountain Top?