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is humans truth defined different from gods truth.

for example.

there was different points in history, when thinking changed.

so if you do not know,what was changed, then are you following the past. so in theory not living in truth.
 
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what dose this have to do with what others think.
do you have free will, your own mind to find your own, idea of truth.

the point, you have your own walk of faith. and if you have the holy spirit, then you will never be alone.


6 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of GodRomans 8: Life in the Spirit

Well, you didn’t give me much to go on. You simply said,

“without it . etc
thoughts please.”

I would say truth begins with all those things God and Jesus are quoted as saying in the Bible.
 
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is humans truth defined different from gods truth.

for example.

there was different points in history, when thinking changed.
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so if you do not know,what was changed, then are you following the past. so in theory not living in truth. [/QUOTE,
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royal.

there is ONLY ONE Truth',
if your Heart is true, and pure, then your answers will also be true and pure...
 
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is humans truth defined different from gods truth.

for example.

there was different points in history, when thinking changed.
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so if you do not know,what was changed, then are you following the past. so in theory not living in truth. [/QUOTE,
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royal.

there is ONLY ONE Truth',
if your Heart is true, and pure, then your answers will also be true and pure...[/QUOTE

how can the heart be pure and true. that reasoning seems to think, we can maintain something.

ie most of the believers, that wrote in the bible, walked in faith, they had no idea, how deep god s wisdom is, they had not discovered the universe or all the world yet.

27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of GodRomans 8: Life in the Spirit

is humans truth defined different from gods truth.

for example.

when did you save your self. ware is your view point to understanding god s understanding or wisdom.

we never conquered death, jesus did that for you.

so there is a gap, between humans definition , and gods definition, they are miles apart.

if your answer is a lie, then it stays a lie. we dont have a measuring stick, to gods wisdom, we use a word called logic,( to keep it short) god uses or gives the believer the holy spirit, teaching them at there level of growth.
so in simple terms if you don,t know the answer. then you need to pray, seek or find. etc
 
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Well, you didn’t give me much to go on. You simply said,

“without it . etc
thoughts please.”

I would say truth begins with all those things God and Jesus are quoted as saying in the Bible.
did god, give us much to go on.

so in simple terms, believers are given a bible and a prayer.
when dose our understanding kick in. lol

god and jesus and the holy spirit , speak words, to many believers. but not everything that is spoken, is directed to a modern day believer.

your answer missed your understanding. and that understanding is to grow, with a mixed bunch of different era, or ages, who share the same faith as them or us.etc
for example
you play a big part in how you grow, ie read your bible, and pray.
god plays his part also.

yet unbelievers , are shut out, ie if you don t believe, then how can the truth set you free.

so how can an unbeliever, teach a believer. in a modern world. the unbeliever already is dead to belief. so the logic of there understanding, will die with them. the logic given to a believer,(by god) can be taken to a different level.

truth has many definitions, given the world, has many different religions, and has many different unbelievers.
 
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did god, give us much to go on.

so in simple terms, believers are given a bible and a prayer.
when dose our understanding kick in. lol

god and jesus and the holy spirit , speak words, to many believers. but not everything that is spoken, is directed to a modern day believer.

your answer missed your understanding. and that understanding is to grow, with a mixed bunch of different era, or ages, who share the same faith as them or us.etc
for example
you play a big part in how you grow, ie read your bible, and pray.
god plays his part also.

yet unbelievers , are shut out, ie if you don t believe, then how can the truth set you free.

so how can an unbeliever, teach a believer. in a modern world. the unbeliever already is dead to belief. so the logic of there understanding, will die with them. the logic given to a believer,(by god) can be taken to a different level.

truth has many definitions, given the world, has many different religions, and has many different unbelievers.
Our understanding kicks in when we start obeying the commandments.
 
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You know the commandments: “Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.” Luke 18:20 RSV
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9

and

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from graceGalatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
 
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You'll need to summarize Acts 15 for me.
summarize your self.
1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."2 And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question.3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, describing in detail the conversion of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the brothers.4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them.5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."
6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter.7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
12 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.13 After they finished speaking, James replied, "Brothers, listen to me.14 Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name.15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
16 "'After this I will return,
and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;
I will rebuild its ruins,
and I will restore it,
17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who are called by my name,
says the Lord, who makes these things18 known from of old.'
19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.21 For

then 70 ad came
 
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summarize your self.
1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."2 And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question.3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, describing in detail the conversion of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the brothers.4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them.5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."
6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter.7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
12 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.13 After they finished speaking, James replied, "Brothers, listen to me.14 Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name.15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
16 "'After this I will return,
and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;
I will rebuild its ruins,
and I will restore it,
17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who are called by my name,
says the Lord, who makes these things18 known from of old.'
19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.21 For
I have found that resisting the temptation to sin makes life very beautiful. Therefore, I appreciate the commandments.

[1] Blessed is the man
who walks not in the counsel of the wicked,
nor stands in the way of sinners,
nor sits in the seat of scoffers;
[2] but his delight is in the law of the LORD,
and on his law he meditates day and night. Psalm 1:1-2 RSV
 
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I have found that resisting the temptation to sin makes life very beautiful. Therefore, I appreciate the commandments.

[1] Blessed is the man
who walks not in the counsel of the wicked,
nor stands in the way of sinners,
nor sits in the seat of scoffers;
[2] but his delight is in the law of the LORD,
and on his law he meditates day and night. Psalm 1:1-2 RSV
truth v a lie believed, is not a justification, to why you do something.
if your reject the truth, it don t matter what you believe, as being justification.

truth guides the way , to exposing a lie.

did you miss the point brother.

when were you directed back to law. this law was never given to you to resist.

Romans 8: Life in the Spirit
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

if your free from the law of sin. then it would make sense, what paul wrote

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from graceGalatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free

and if he said this to a jewish person.

Christ will be of no advantage to you. because you think, you have done something. on your own.

3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?Galatians 3

unless you have justification, for following the law. from scripture in context to scripture. you fall ,under nill and void
to a new covenant .
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9


and i see no, reference to time or date to your stand.

for example.

pentecoste is dated around 32 ad, act 15 is about 10-18years later.


 
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truth v a lie believed, is not a justification, to why you do something.
if your reject the truth, it don t matter what you believe, as being justification.

truth guides the way , to exposing a lie.

did you miss the point brother.

when were you directed back to law. this law was never given to you to resist.

Romans 8: Life in the Spirit
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

if your free from the law of sin. then it would make sense, what paul wrote

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from graceGalatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free

and if he said this to a jewish person.

Christ will be of no advantage to you. because you think, you have done something. on your own.

3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?Galatians 3

unless you have justification, for following the law. from scripture in context to scripture. you fall ,under nill and void
to a new covenant .
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9


and i see no, reference to time or date to your stand.

for example.

pentecoste is dated around 32 ad, act 15 is about 10-18years later.


I have testified that repentance has made my life beautiful (not that I am perfect). You can believe me or not.
 
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I have testified that repentance has made my life beautiful (not that I am perfect). You can believe me or not.(your quote)

naive to scripture, definition is not a sin. a saviour still saves, all who believe.


not to belittle you.

what do you think the apostles were telling , the people of there day.

thats, why the saviour is perfect in the sight of god. ( the change to a new covenant. )

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.Ephesians 1



70 ad , is testified to the truth.

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9

so living in, and old covenant, has nothing to do with testified ,or justification, to why are you telling me this, because it sounds like you have rejected your inheritance.14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!"Romans 8


fear of what, death or sin and consequence of sin, when the saviour has given you freedom , from this.
Romans 8: Life in the Spirit
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
In him we have obtained an inheritance,

the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him,

who is the guarantee of our inheritance (a god through jesus christ)
 
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I have testified that repentance has made my life beautiful (not that I am perfect). You can believe me or not.(your quote)

naive to scripture, definition is not a sin. a saviour still saves, all who believe.


not to belittle you.

what do you think the apostles were telling , the people of there day.

thats, why the saviour is perfect in the sight of god. ( the change to a new covenant. )

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.Ephesians 1



70 ad , is testified to the truth.

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9

so living in, and old covenant, has nothing to do with testified ,or justification, to why are you telling me this, because it sounds like you have rejected your inheritance.14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, "Abba! Father!"Romans 8


fear of what, death or sin and consequence of sin, when the saviour has given you freedom , from this.
Romans 8: Life in the Spirit
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
In him we have obtained an inheritance,

the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him,

who is the guarantee of our inheritance (a god through jesus christ)

We all need a Savior because we've all sinned, but we're supposed to learn from our mistakes.
 
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We all need a Savior because we've all sinned, but we're supposed to learn from our mistakes.
then prove it. ..................................
with scripture

all sinned

given your born into a new covenant.

ie define sin or sinned

if the saviour saved you from it.
 
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