Truth?

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memyselfi

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Yeshua, Jesus, says, "I am the truth and the life", lately we hear a lot "her truth", "his truth". And I personally am always appalled… Is the "truth" limited to someone's personal truth or is there one real TRUTH?

It sounds like a play on of words.... but is what society.... truth has been reduced to or is there still "the truth" honest.... hold can stand before G-d as not made up or a figment of the imagination... Is her truth/ his truth a down right lie/sin if it is of the imagination?

To be honest I think it ridiculous to hear someone say "it is her truth"... as if that makes a lie "ok"....

Is it "ok" to lie if it is true to you?
 
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There are things that are personal truths, though, such as, "I have ten siblings." Is that your truth? I have found it is true for very few others, but that does not mean it is not true for me :giggle::)
 
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Magenta said:
There are things that are personal truths, though, such as, "I have ten siblings." Is that your truth? I have found it is true for very few others, but that does not mean it is not true for me :giggle::)
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I get what you are saying but that still doesn't quite "get" it... still makes the idea of self-truth lack creditability. Siblings can be proved by DNA, does not need self-truth.... People (if) you consider like a brother or sister are not siblings and DNA would prove they are not so self truth is false.
 
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memyselfi said:
I get what you are saying but that still doesn't quite "get" it... still makes the idea of self-truth lack creditability. Siblings can be proved by DNA, does not need self-truth.... People (if) you consider like a brother or sister are not siblings and DNA would prove they are not so self truth is false.
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You make me think that a self truth does not demand proof. For instance, I never once even thought of testing the DNA of my brothers and sisters to prove we were of the same parents. Self truths are in a sense the narratives people live by, whether they can be proven or not. I am not attempting to liken those narratives in any way with Jesus Christ being the embodiment of Truth. I reckon that Truth to be on a completely different level. I think I understand what you are getting at though, for it harkens back to relativism, which denies the existence of absolute truth. Of course, such a claim is self-defeating, for it itself cannot be absolutely true in a world devoid of absolutes.
 
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Man could we go deep with Christ being the Word became Flesh or Christ being the embodiment of truth.....think about the things Christ did as the embodiment of truth....

Healed the sick
Raised the dead
Cursed the fig tree
Condemned the hyper religious
Beat the money changers
multiplied the fish and the loaves
Gave up all yet owned all
walked on water
Gave sight to the blind
Pronounced the blindness of the hyper religious
etc.

The implications are staggering if one takes in the full scope of said implications
 
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Magenta said:
You make me think that a self truth does not demand proof. For instance, I never once even thought of testing the DNA of my brothers and sisters to prove we were of the same parents. Self truths are in a sense the narratives people live by, whether they can be proven or not. I am not attempting to liken those narratives in any way with Jesus Christ being the embodiment of Truth. I reckon that Truth to be on a completely different level. I think I understand what you are getting at though, for it harkens back to relativism, which denies the existence of absolute truth. Of course, such a claim is self-defeating, for it itself cannot be absolutely true in a world devoid of absolutes.
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You got it...

I am the bastard chid of my parents…. They were married but not to each other when they had me....lol.... I have 6 sisters and a brother, but the only child of my mom and dad... I bet my sisters and brother wish they had DNA....lol
 
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memyselfi said:
Yeshua, Jesus, says, "I am the truth and the life", lately we hear a lot "her truth", "his truth". And I personally am always appalled… Is the "truth" limited to someone's personal truth or is there one real TRUTH?

It sounds like a play on of words.... but is what society.... truth has been reduced to or is there still "the truth" honest.... hold can stand before G-d as not made up or a figment of the imagination... Is her truth/ his truth a down right lie/sin if it is of the imagination?

To be honest I think it ridiculous to hear someone say "it is her truth"... as if that makes a lie "ok"....

Is it "ok" to lie if it is true to you?
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It sounds like you are describing people believe what they want to believe about truth, reality, which is not something that has been reduced in society today, but has been that way throughout history, although it is true that there are more opinions, beliefs, and more different viewpoints of truth, and reality, than years ago.

Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Everybody has a viewpoint concerning truth, reality, but it is not right unless it is the truth, reality, of Jesus and His ways.

It is not okay to lie if it appears true to you, as if you are not to blame because that is how you view truth, reality, for if that were the case we would have an excuse for not believing in God, and His giving us the account of Jesus that He is the Savior of the world.

Which nobody has an excuse, and the Bible says creation testifies of a God, and of His attributes, which one of them is love, for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter, so the world is without excuse, and covers the 2 greatest laws, love God, and love people.

If a person believes a certain reality, and it appears true to them, such as evolution, and not a personal God, or Jesus is not the Savior, for it does not make sense to them, which the Bible says the cross is foolishness to them, or they believe in aliens and they gave us life by planting that life on earth, or anything contrary to the truth of Jesus, does not give them an excuse, and they are off the hook, and blameless, because they are sincere in what they believe as truth, reality, that is contrary to the truth of Jesus.

For we must all give an account to God, and we are accountable for believing in God, and we are accountable for believing in Jesus, unless a person never heard the word of God then they are only accountable for believing in God, and will be judged by creation that testifies of the 2 greatest laws love God, and love people, which is how a Christian is saved that confesses Christ.

Other than that I do not know what you mean.
 
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memyselfi

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MattforJesus said:
It sounds like you are describing people believe what they want to believe about truth, reality, which is not something that has been reduced in society today, but has been that way throughout history, although it is true that there are more opinions, beliefs, and more different viewpoints of truth, and reality, than years ago.

Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Everybody has a viewpoint concerning truth, reality, but it is not right unless it is the truth, reality, of Jesus and His ways.

It is not okay to lie if it appears true to you, as if you are not to blame because that is how you view truth, reality, for if that were the case we would have an excuse for not believing in God, and His giving us the account of Jesus that He is the Savior of the world.

Which nobody has an excuse, and the Bible says creation testifies of a God, and of His attributes, which one of them is love, for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter, so the world is without excuse, and covers the 2 greatest laws, love God, and love people.

If a person believes a certain reality, and it appears true to them, such as evolution, and not a personal God, or Jesus is not the Savior, for it does not make sense to them, which the Bible says the cross is foolishness to them, or they believe in aliens and they gave us life by planting that life on earth, or anything contrary to the truth of Jesus, does not give them an excuse, and they are off the hook, and blameless, because they are sincere in what they believe as truth, reality, that is contrary to the truth of Jesus.

For we must all give an account to God, and we are accountable for believing in God, and we are accountable for believing in Jesus, unless a person never heard the word of God then they are only accountable for believing in God, and will be judged by creation that testifies of the 2 greatest laws love God, and love people, which is how a Christian is saved that confesses Christ.

Other than that I do not know what you mean.
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You gave what I am looking for peoples thoughts....


I think "his/hers", "your/mine" truth is the stupidest thing I ever heard and down right (the word would get me banned)...lol... So I wanted to hear what other people had to say.... Just wanted what people think....

Thank you for your input....
 
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