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It is to all men if you stop blaming God and realise man has free will.
Ireneaus:
1. This expression [of our Lord], “How often would I have gathered thy children together, and thou wouldest not,”43944394 Matt. xxiii. 37. set forth the ancient law of human liberty, because God made man a free [agent] from the beginning, possessing his own power, even as he does his own soul, to obey the behests (ad utendum sententia) of God voluntarily, and not by compulsion of God. For there is no coercion with God, but a good will [towards us] is present with Him continually. And therefore does He give good counsel to all. And in man, as well as in angels, He has placed the power of choice (for angels are rational beings), so that those who had yielded obedience might justly possess what is good, given indeed by God, but preserved by themselves. On the other hand, they who have not obeyed shall, with justice, be not found in possession of the good, and shall receive condign punishment.
Ireneaus:
1. This expression [of our Lord], “How often would I have gathered thy children together, and thou wouldest not,”43944394 Matt. xxiii. 37. set forth the ancient law of human liberty, because God made man a free [agent] from the beginning, possessing his own power, even as he does his own soul, to obey the behests (ad utendum sententia) of God voluntarily, and not by compulsion of God. For there is no coercion with God, but a good will [towards us] is present with Him continually. And therefore does He give good counsel to all. And in man, as well as in angels, He has placed the power of choice (for angels are rational beings), so that those who had yielded obedience might justly possess what is good, given indeed by God, but preserved by themselves. On the other hand, they who have not obeyed shall, with justice, be not found in possession of the good, and shall receive condign punishment.
lol not another debate on Calvinism.
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, "The righteous shall live by faith." Romans 1:16-17 ESV.
So first of all, the Gospel is a call, an outward call as you hear it with your ears. There is definatley a an inward movement of the Holy Spirit on your heart, working on you.
So why you needed to try and start another Calvinism debate I do not know.
Phil
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True indeed, I always have believed that sanctification is a state, as well as a process; twofold in it's dynamics and process but singular in design. Alot of folks also only heard rather had the baptism that was through John (see also What the Spirit said in Mal. 4:4-6), and what Jesus even asked His disciples about who do they say He was, and Peter's response and then Christ's response to Peter; also Christ discouse later about who and how men would come to Him.
As far as the once saved always saved it is true as long as the person really did get saved(see above remarks kinda go with the whole convo), well like everyone else here these are just my thoughts right now but we, I, are continually growing in grace and through santification for glorification and all this through Christ. so even these ideas will come into better view as our vision through illumination, confirmation, and conformation of the Holy Spirit takes place in our lives.
May the God of our Lord richly bless us all in spiritual wisdom, power, and patience.
As far as the once saved always saved it is true as long as the person really did get saved(see above remarks kinda go with the whole convo), well like everyone else here these are just my thoughts right now but we, I, are continually growing in grace and through santification for glorification and all this through Christ. so even these ideas will come into better view as our vision through illumination, confirmation, and conformation of the Holy Spirit takes place in our lives.
May the God of our Lord richly bless us all in spiritual wisdom, power, and patience.