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Blik

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More believers should be baptized. It's true we have slacked off in getting new believers immersed.

But it's vitally important to get salvation right. It's got to be all Jesus' doing and not by self effort. It has to be, because a lost person is always lost until they believe. Any works done before conversion are putting perfume on a corpse.
There seems to be a great variety of interpretations of the word "believe". Can you believe that Jesus is capable of forgiving sin, and that is what the word means, or does it mean that you believe all that Jesus says and does?
 

Magenta

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That's absolutely awesome thank you Magenta!! 😀
You are very welcome! I know it is difficult to see because it is layered over
more than somewhat, but the background is a Tree of Life painting...
.:)

(I thought you might like to know that .:D)
 

wattie

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There seems to be a great variety of interpretations of the word "believe". Can you believe that Jesus is capable of forgiving sin, and that is what the word means, or does it mean that you believe all that Jesus says and does?
Ah, well there you are getting into the different tenses of believe. Depending on the verse it is in.. it can be initial belief in Jesus that He died and rose again.. lived sinless.. is God.. and by entrusting your salvation with Him, you have eternal life.

Then the other kind is continuous.. through life belief.. which is after conversion. Or there is the abiding of the Holy Spirit in a believers soul.. and so they 'don't sin' because the saved soul in a believer never sins.

They can still sin.. every does.. but the saved part of them.. does not. It's sealed by the Holy Spirit.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Baptizo/baptisma = immersion, not necessarily in water.

For example, you may baptize someone in the name of another you would necessarily immerse them in their authority and way of life.
If you wanted to clean, you would baptize a sponge in a cleaning solution.

All very common in Greek society. When they heard "baptizo" they thought "immersion" in the thing that followed.
a brother look to John the baptizer as ministry to understand baptism for remission of sins

“And he asked for a writing table, and wrote, saying, His name is John. And they marvelled all. And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: For thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; To give knowledge of salvation unto his people By the remission of their sins, And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭1:63, 67, 76-77, 80‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Which shall prepare thy way before thee. ( Malachi 3:1)

The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight. ( Isaiah 40:3)

John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judæa, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God designed this baptism spoke of it before it came forth spoke of the baptizer John who would precede Jesus the messiah preparing the people for salvation in him through repentance and remission of sins. Notice how they confess thoer sins as they get baptized ? And it’s done for repentance and remission of sins ?

That’s baptism tbat god designed an act of faith and act of onedience bexauae we believe Tony’s it seems silly “ well it’s just water that doesn’t mean anything “ to God it means if we hear believe and get baptized we’re acting in faith because we believe what he said

This part that John said confuses some

“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this isnt second baptism it’s John foretelling Pentecost and was already fulfilled

For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭

arhats what John was saying remember ? A few days later

he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:”

“And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:2-4‬ ‭

the first thing Peter says when they ask what do we do ? He says “ get baptized in Jesus name for remission of sins ( water )

and you will receive the holy ghost ( spirit )

when jesus said this

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It is fulfilled like this

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,( water )

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”( spirit )
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Irs just one action we get baptized and Jesus gives us the gift of the spirit which John the baotizer foretold or it can be like this spirit first and then baptized in water for remission of sins

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

either way baptism always is done in water and receiving the spirit always comes only from Jesus in heaven to believers

“And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s just a simple thing like communion the bread isn’t really Jesus flesh we do not in faith because of what he said about it same with the water of baptism it’s only important because God said to do it same with anything he tells man to do it’s important to him even if we don’t get it