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sevoldoG

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#41
Scripture can be imprecise, but HB 3:7, 15 & 4:7 says, "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts... Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts... Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts...".

You might expect that after hearing it three times folks would notice that God sad says "Today... do not harden your hearts" and NOT "Today I am hardening your hearts" so that you shall never enter my rest even though you were incapable of obedience/saving faith.
Paul was addressing the HEBREWS. Chosen under Old Testament promise.
 

sevoldoG

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Well, I believe that every name written in the book of Life will attend Gods party. There will be no fresh ink or eraser marks for it is sealed for an appointed time, and only Jesus Christ has the power to open it when that time arises. I adhere to the Pauline doctrine of Justification solely by faith. It is the true doctrine of the New Testament.
I believe this because all of its attributes are my testimony. I was imputed with the Holy Spirit and given my belief, love, desire to serve, understanding, and everything else pertaining to the only true living God and his word WITHOUT any desire to have it done , but I wouldn’t want it any other way now. I get a little perturbed sometimes when people walk all over me due to the new heart god’s put in me, but yeah, as humbly as I can muster up as I say there’s no doubt I’m chosen. It’s such a wonderful and beautiful glorifying god, direct to true doctrine that I want to publish it. I lie not when I say my testimony is much like Paul’s in that I made fun of Christian and never sought after Christ, but God had his way with me, and I cant think of any other way I would have it. EVERYTHING PERTAINING TO ANYTHING BIBLICAL IS GIVEN OF GOD. ITS 110% GOD (especially with salvation) AND 0% MAN. I KNOW. I LIVE IT!
God bless everyone.
Thanks
 

Burn1986

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We all know who is the king of Kings and Lord of lords. (Rev 19:16)
What king did not have the Kings knights? the king's concubines? The Kings chosen group? stenographers and Messengers to carry out the Kings will? Keep that thought in mind.
"See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;" Deu30:15 (common denominator.)
"In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it." Deut 30:16 Command YOU DO! You choose.
"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:" Deu 30:19
Above you are commanded to choose between that which is good, His word following his Commandments, or choose that which is evil, that is set before every man woman and child all the days of their lives.
"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
Acts 17:30
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2Pet 3:9
"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" Acts 10:34
Many verses show mans choice then Gods judgement like:
"And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not." Rev 2:21
Now lets talk about the Kings Chosen Ones, His election, to carry out His Will.
"That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ." Eph 1:12
Did you walk with Jesus? Were you at Antioch? were you the first to choose and trust Christ, His Cjosen men? I think NOT. Well what about us?
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"
Note two groups. We and Ye in Eph 1:12 & 13.
The Election, the Predestine, The Kings Men, the few, and then thrre are all the rest of us, that chose to believe and REPENT and become as the ELECTION.
One can see these two groups also in
"To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect," Hebrews 12:23 (KJV)
Two Groups. The general assembly is to put on as the election.
"Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;". Col 3:12

You choose to put on as the election or not.
"When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:18
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time." 1 Tim 2:3-6 (KJV)
Wow you’re really smart. Look at all those words. Sounds like you figured out all the problems of the world and that bro. That’s something you could take to the Palisades fire victims.. I’m sure they could use all that knowledge right now. Awesome way to go.
 

sevoldoG

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#45
Yes, but does it not apply also to the Gentiles?
I don’t believe it does. Paul is recalling to them Old Testament circumstances that were a foreshadow and now applies to Christ. In context a gentile would be completely lost unless they were familiar with the Tora.
 

GWH

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I don’t believe it does. Paul is recalling to them Old Testament circumstances that were a foreshadow and now applies to Christ. In context a gentile would be completely lost unless they were familiar with the Tora.
Well, ACTS 17:1-17 records Gentiles being present in synagogues, so I trust you will change your belief regarding that.
 

sevoldoG

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Well, ACTS 17:1-17 records Gentiles being present in synagogues, so I trust you will change your belief regarding that.
You’re right. As I was reading I realized the word of God, with the right audience, pertains to the entire world. Stupid me.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#48
We all know who is the king of Kings and Lord of lords. (Rev 19:16)
What king did not have the Kings knights? the king's concubines? The Kings chosen group? stenographers and Messengers to carry out the Kings will? Keep that thought in mind.
"See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;" Deu30:15 (common denominator.)
"In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it." Deut 30:16 Command YOU DO! You choose.
"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:" Deu 30:19
Above you are commanded to choose between that which is good, His word following his Commandments, or choose that which is evil, that is set before every man woman and child all the days of their lives.
"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"
Acts 17:30
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2Pet 3:9
"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" Acts 10:34
Many verses show mans choice then Gods judgement like:
"And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not." Rev 2:21
Now lets talk about the Kings Chosen Ones, His election, to carry out His Will.
"That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ." Eph 1:12
Did you walk with Jesus? Were you at Antioch? were you the first to choose and trust Christ, His Cjosen men? I think NOT. Well what about us?
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"
Note two groups. We and Ye in Eph 1:12 & 13.
The Election, the Predestine, The Kings Men, the few, and then thrre are all the rest of us, that chose to believe and REPENT and become as the ELECTION.
One can see these two groups also in
"To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect," Hebrews 12:23 (KJV)
Two Groups. The general assembly is to put on as the election.
"Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;". Col 3:12

You choose to put on as the election or not.
"When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:18
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time." 1 Tim 2:3-6 (KJV)
Right. …but you’ll nEver get anywhere with it here in the twilight zone.

“Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭8:16-18‬ ‭

here if Jesus tells the chosen apostles of Israel this ….

Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it becomes proof that only some of us are chosen to be saved…

If it is said of the Jewish people so that prophecy was fulfilled regarding thier covenant breaking and idol worship before jesus died

“But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; That they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, And be converted, And I should heal them.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:37-40‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then here in the forum it applies to everyone we’re all blinded by God and u less he magically chooses to open our eyes individually we’re blind and dead even though it’s soecific prophecy regarding Israel’s covenant breaking

of he said this to that people

The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:41, 43-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then here …. this doesn’t apply to all men after Jesus rose

“And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

bitninstead nope he elects and only draws some to him the “ chosen ones “ who God loves enough to save . Out of all those sinners he doesn’t give a chance ……..

Here because Paul wrote something like this

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Here no one can hear the gospel unless they are the chosen ones …..::unless they are born spiritual I guess and not like those natural people who ……..need to be born of the spirit to be spiritual ……


good post bad soil
 

GWH

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You’re right. As I was reading I realized the word of God, with the right audience, pertains to the entire world. Stupid me.
No, you are smarter than those who refuse to change/amend/update their understanding of Scripture.
Also, I think you are right to view Hebrews as written by Paul.
HAND :^)
 

sevoldoG

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No, you are smarter than those who refuse to change/amend/update their understanding of Scripture.
Also, I think you are right to view Hebrews as written by Paul.
HAND :^)
Thank you. I appreciate the compliment. I’ve read some of your posts, and I think you are a good prospect to follow. 👍🏼
 

Melach

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@Melach

You wrote "Gospel is preached to all, the elect respond"

How does this affect your life? What is the behavioral consequence if what you wrote is true?

This is a question to everyone: If you believe that God saves only those who are elect then how does that change your behavior?
it shouldn't. which is why arminians and calvinists have worked together in the gospel fields for centuries
 

Melach

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Yes, or it may be stated that all are called to be saved/serve the Lord, but few (choose to) accept God's calling or Gospel and become chosen.
read that again. few choose to be chosen.... come on now. you are struggling brother
 

GWH

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read that again. few choose to be chosen.... come on now. you are struggling brother
1. It may be stated that all are called to be saved/become chosen.
(1TM 2:3-4, 2PT 3:9, JN 12:32)

2. However, relatively few choose to accept God's calling/Gospel invitation and be saved/become chosen.
(MT 22:14, 1CR 1:21-24, ACTS 28:23-27)

Too easy! :^)
 

Melach

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1. It may be stated that all are called to be saved/become chosen.
(1TM 2:3-4, 2PT 3:9, JN 12:32)

2. However, relatively few choose to accept God's calling/Gospel invitation and be saved/become chosen.
(MT 22:14, 1CR 1:21-24, ACTS 28:23-27)

Too easy! :^)
all are called to become chosen, yet relatively few choose to become chosen.

the only reason you are doing this is to avoid the plain reading of the text, the gospel is preached, the elect believe it, thats it.

acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
 

GWH

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all are called to become chosen, yet relatively few choose to become chosen.

the only reason you are doing this is to avoid the plain reading of the text, the gospel is preached, the elect believe it, thats it.

acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
Which text says what you said?

How does ACTS 13:48 contradict what I said?
 

Melach

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Which text says what you said?

How does ACTS 13:48 contradict what I said?
The order is, God appoints to eternal life and those who are appointed unto it, believe.