UNBELIEF - what did the mustard seed say to the mountain and the sycamine tree?

[Least]

The Sycamine Tree
After a long time of trying to determine exactly which tree was being talked about before digging into any particular spiritual significance for its use in the mustard seed passages, I have come to the conclusion that despite the different names for the tree used in various translations of the Bible, they are the same kind of tree.

The sycamine tree of Palestine belongs to the fig tree family and is very similar in appearance to the mulberry fig. Even the fruit of the two trees is identical looking, but the taste of the fruit is the distinguishing factor. The mulberry fig fruit is very sweet as well as very expensive, well beyond the means of the multitudes of poor people. However, the plentiful, therefore cheap, very bitter sycamine fig, eaten by the poor folks, has some characteristics that make it a good metaphor for teaching biblical concepts.

The apostles were getting a lesson on forgiveness in Luke 17 and realized that forgiving someone seven times in one day, etc. as Yeshua/Jesus was teaching them, required more faith than they thought they had and asked Yeshua to increase their faith. It is at this point that He brings up the sycamine fig tree in relation to forgiveness.

The fruit of the sycamine fig is so extremely bitter that it can’t be eaten all at one sitting. The person who ate a sycamine fig had to take a nibble, wait for a while, and then take another small bite. This is likely why Yeshua chose it for this lesson, since forgiveness is challenging enough as it is, but seven times in one day is a very bitter pill to swallow – or should I say, a very bitter fig to nibble on?

The sycamine tree grew very quickly to a height of thirty feet or more and was known to have one of the deepest root structures of all trees in the Middle East. Because its roots went down so deep into the earth, it would draw from underground sources of water making it very difficult to kill because it would keep resurfacing, even when cutting it off at its base. This makes it a perfect choice to explain how bitterness and unforgiveness grow so quickly and how deeply rooted in the human heart they can be.

Similarities of the sycamine fig and bitterness and unforgiveness:
Both must be dealt with clear to the roots or they will keep springing up again and again.
The sycamine tree grows quickly where water is scarce just as does bitterness and unforgiveness grow quickly in
spiritually dry conditions where negative emotions thrive. People who have rejected the “rain” of God’s Word
become bitter and unforgiving, chewing on their bitter feelings, like the bitter sycamine fig fruit, for a long
time, and returning to nibble another small bite of bitter fruit over and over again.
The poor, who ate the bitter fruit so slowly, are like those who bitterly meditate on all of the wrongs they have
experienced, and that makes them also poor in grace.
Those deep roots of the sycamine fig tree resemble those roots of bitterness and unforgiveness that lie hidden
deep in a person’s heart that are so hard to kill. The longer the roots grow deeper for more water, the harder the tree (bitterness of heart) is to destroy. For this reason we are warned in Hebrews 12:15.

I found it interesting to compare these different translations of that verse…
Hebrews 12:15 (KJV)
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Hebrews 12:15 (Complete Jewish Bible)
See to it that no one misses out on God's grace, that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble and thus contaminates many,
Hebrews 12:15 (Aramaic English New Testament)
And be careful or else any be found among you destitute of the grace of Elohim; or else some root of bitterness shoot forth germs and trouble you, and thereby many be defiled:

One other interesting thing I found about the sycamine tree is that it is not naturally pollinated. Pollination only took place when a wasp stuck its stinger right into the heart of the fruit. The tree and its fruit had to be “stung” in order to be reproduced. That reminded me of the phrase being “stung” by someone as a bitter remark for having had a bad experience dealing with another.

Luke 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.

That is really something. I've never considered the sycamine tree and it's qualities. The examples from your research are truly amazing.

I think sometimes, (as you said earlier) that a passage can be so often used that we repeat it without considering the deeper meaning behind it. It's just awesome how you dug into this Just-us-to. Right down to the pollination of the tree having to take place when a wasp stings the fruit...and the roots....

Have you ever been stung by a wasp? I haven't and hope never to be... but I have been bitten by a big red fire ant, and the sting goes on for what seems like forever. I hear wasps are the same.

The sycamine tree grew very quickly to a height of thirty feet or more and was known to have one of the deepest root structures of all trees in the Middle East. Because its roots went down so deep into the earth, it would draw from underground sources of water making it very difficult to kill because it would keep resurfacing, even when cutting it off at its base. This makes it a perfect choice to explain how bitterness and unforgiveness grow so quickly and how deeply rooted in the human heart they can be.

In comparison to "roots," in our own hearts based on experiences from the past, it's interesting how the tree can be cut down and keeps resurfacing. Something can happen or someone can say something, and can almost be like watering the roots, to cause it to grow again. (Makes me think of some passages about, "bitter water." Just like a seed can be watered for good, as Paul stated, " "I planted, Appolos watered, but God gives the increase." Roots of bitterness are just the opposite, and for anything to grow it takes water....

I'd rather have the sweet water.

James 3:11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?

It shows how much we need that "purging," and renewing in Christ. Examining ourselves when these things do arise and praying that these things will be rooted out of our hearts. All part of the living relationship with and in Christ.

Great study and sharing sis!

 

[Joshua_Generation]

“Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief;” Mark 9:24 KJV
“I do trust – help my lack of trust!” CJB
I had often wondered about that verse and simply chalked it off as meaning the man who said that didn’t really believe, or just didn’t believe enough. But while praying about a recent, difficult neighbor problem, heavily involving human nature, I thought of that verse, and determined to study it.

My first thought was that if this man is a believer, why is he saying, “Help thou mine unbelief?” According to the Complete Jewish Bible, the phrase used is “lack of trust” rather than “unbelief.” Looking up all occurrences of the word “unbelief” in the Bible, I found they were all in the New Testament and in all but a few instances, the CJB uses “lack of trust” or when referring to the opposite, “trust.” Now, that makes a difference.

I can see how a believer could have difficulty trusting enough, knowing “faith” and “trust” are often used interchangeably. And into my mind pops the “faith as a mustard seed” scriptures.
Matthew 17:20 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Matthew 17:20 (CJB) have trust as tiny as a mustard seed, you will be able to say to this mountain, `Move from here to there!' and it will move; indeed, nothing will be impossible for you!
Luke 17:6 (KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.
Luke 17:6 (CJB) The Lord replied, "If you had trust as tiny as a mustard seed, you could say to this fig tree, `Be uprooted and replanted in the sea!' and it would obey you.

I don’t know about you, but I haven’t moved any mountains even an inch or transplanted any fig trees into the sea in my life. That makes it obvious that my trust, or faith, is really, really small. Over the many years of going to church, Bible studies, etc., I’ve understood that to say I don’t have much faith is acceptable – no one has much, so it’s okay and we ARE supposed to be humble. However, to say I lack “trust” is much more condemning in my own mind, and I begin to muse on why prayers seem to go unanswered, why believers have so many problems that can’t seem to be overcome…

But wait! What is it that I do that minimizes my trust in God? After over forty years of being a believer, a born again Christian, that even if I still can’t move a mountain, there should be some increase of my faith/trust. I came up with a couple different examples that are so common among professing Christians, yet they go unnoticed and we continue to wallow. I’ll use the example that came to me first. When our grandson joined the Marines, I worried – you know, all of the horrors of Vietnam are still fairly fresh, especially since I am married to a veteran of that conflict, and worry that our boy would end up in a war zone (there are plenty to choose from these days) and that sort of thing. Then when he chose computer stuff as his area of service I was relieved thinking he would be safer than an infantryman on front lines. The truth is, that I can pray for his safety but if he is here in Tennessee with us or overseas somewhere doing what the government has sent him to do, God will spare his life or take it when God so wills. I would like to be able to protect the little boy forever but even if he was here with me, I could not protect him any better than I can if he was the fine young man he is, wherever he is, if God says it is time for him to go home and be with Him. No matter where we are, our lifespan is in God’s hands, and we cannot lengthen it by a single minute past His will.

Then, I started thinking about that neighbor problem and realized that we pray for God to cause the correct resolution to take place. Next thought: he doesn’t care one iota about God’s will, although he claims to be a Christian, so…pray for his salvation or awakening to care whether or not his decisions are God’s will…oh, but he is so stubborn and arrogant, he’ll never humble himself that much. Boom! Just shot down the effectiveness of prayer for him. In a nutshell, we pray for God to handle situations and then turn right around and revisit those situations with negativity, showing our lack of trust…or faith…that God Almighty can do anything about it.

Then there is another important aspect to these mustard seed scriptures – what do the mountain and tree represent? Just looking at what all that involves tells me that will have to be part 2 of this study!

Moving mountains and trees is about having the faith to remove anything that hinders your divine walk /destiny/purpose.

Jesus was simply stating if you have even a little faith and a destiny blocking mountain is in your way, you speak to the mountian and it moves by your faith.

For example: When Goliath was keeping Israel from taking the land, all the army of Israel did was talk about Goliath. David on the other hand spoke to Goliath and then removed the obstacle.

Jesus never told us to talk about the things that hinder us, he told us to speak to them, much like he did in the wilderness to Satan.

 

[just-us-2]

Jesus never told us to talk about the things that hinder us, he told us to speak to them, much like he did in the wilderness to Satan.

I would like that scripture reference pleas - that would be very helpful.

 

[Least]

Good morning Just-us-two and everyone.

Each day I get a few "bible verses of the day," in my email. One of the verses made me think of your study right off, and so I thought I'd share it here. I also found another passage that speaks of, "mountains and roots." I read the chapter from Jonah in the CJB and found a few more interesting things too.


Jonah 2:6 To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. But you brought my life up from the pit, O LORD my God. (NIV)

Jonah 2:6 I sank down to the very roots of the mountains. I was imprisoned in the earth, whose gates lock shut forever. But you, O LORD my God, snatched me from the jaws of death! (NLT)

This was after Jonah was swallowed up by the "fish."

Job 28:4 The flood breaketh out from the inhabitant; even the waters forgotten of the foot: they are dried up, they are gone away from men.
Job 28:5 As for the earth, out of it cometh bread: and under it is turned up as it were fire.
Job 28:6 The stones of it are the place of sapphires: and it hath dust of gold.
Job 28:7 There is a path which no fowl knoweth, and which the vulture's eye hath not seen:
Job 28:8 The lion's whelps have not trodden it, nor the fierce lion passed by it.
Job 28:9 He putteth forth his hand upon the rock; he overturneth the mountains by the roots.
Job 28:10 He cutteth out rivers among the rocks; and his eye seeth every precious thing.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

I would like that scripture reference pleas - that would be very helpful.

Matt 4 & Luke 4 is Jesus speaking to satan.

Speaking to the mountains:
Matt 21.21-22
Mark 11.23
Zechariah 4

Then you have the fig tree that Jesus cursed as he was making his way back to Jerusalem. The fog tree has no fruit on it and shows that we have the power to remove things out of our life that hinder us. In simpler terms Jesus was telling us we should let things that keep us from our divine purpose and do not bear fruit our life die and stay out of our way. Jesus was headed to the cross when he cursed the fig tree.

 

[just-me]

Matt 4 & Luke 4 is Jesus speaking to satan.

Speaking to the mountains:
Matt 21.21-22
Mark 11.23
Zechariah 4

Then you have the fig tree that Jesus cursed as he was making his way back to Jerusalem. The fog tree has no fruit on it and shows that we have the power to remove things out of our life that hinder us. In simpler terms Jesus was telling us we should let things that keep us from our divine purpose and do not bear fruit our life die and stay out of our way. Jesus was headed to the cross when he cursed the fig tree.

Just for starters Matthew 21:18-20
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!

Luke 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.

In your opinion is the unfruitful person and the one who has a problem with a root of bitterness actually the same?

It would seem to me that one who has faith would desire bitterness to be uprooted and cast away from them, and the one without faith would have no fruit at all.

I don't see the relationship you present.

 

[just-us-2]

Moving mountains and trees is about having the faith to remove anything that hinders your divine walk /destiny/purpose.

Jesus was simply stating if you have even a little faith and a destiny blocking mountain is in your way, you speak to the mountian and it moves by your faith.

For example: When Goliath was keeping Israel from taking the land, all the army of Israel did was talk about Goliath. David on the other hand spoke to Goliath and then removed the obstacle.

Jesus never told us to talk about the things that hinder us, he told us to speak to them, much like he did in the wilderness to Satan.

Matt 4 & Luke 4 is Jesus speaking to satan.

We cannot rebuke Satan ourselves. We speak to the Lord and HE rebukes Satan. (Jude 9-10) The only way these two scriptures where JESUS is speaking to Satan who is offering Him all the kingdoms of the world really pertain to what I was saying is that the prayers of a righteous man, which undoubtedly Jesus was, are powerful and effective. Jesus put Satan in his place by quoting Deuteronomy, so obviously the Law of God still has power and does the speaking. Furthermore, the mountain and the tree are not Satan - they can represent his tactics, but they are not the adversary.

Speaking to the mountains:
Matt 21.21-22

21 Yeshua answered them, "Yes! I tell you, if you have trust and don't doubt, you will not only do what was done to this fig tree; but even if you say to this mountain, `Go and throw yourself into the sea!' it will be done.
22 In other words, you will receive everything you ask for in prayer, no matter what it is, provided you have trust."

Mark 11.23

Add verse 24 since it is a continuation of the thought presented in 23.
23 Yes! I tell you that whoever does not doubt in his heart but trusts that what he says will happen can say to this mountain, `Go and throw yourself into the sea!' and it will be done for him.
24 Therefore, I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, trust that you are receiving it, and it will be yours.

Zechariah 4

I don’t see where this pertains to the discussion I presented.

Then you have the fig tree that Jesus cursed as he was making his way back to Jerusalem. The fog tree has no fruit on it and shows that we have the power to remove things out of our life that hinder us. In simpler terms Jesus was telling us we should let things that keep us from our divine purpose and do not bear fruit our life die and stay out of our way. Jesus was headed to the cross when he cursed the fig tree.

18 The next morning, on his way back to the city, he felt hungry.
19 Spotting a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. So he said to it, "May you never again bear fruit!" and immediately the fig tree dried up.
20 The talmidim saw this and were amazed. "How did the fig tree dry up so quickly?" they asked.
21 Yeshua answered them, "Yes! I tell you, if you have trust and don't doubt, you will not only do what was done to this fig tree; but even if you say to this mountain, `Go and throw yourself into the sea!' it will be done.
22 In other words, you will receive everything you ask for in prayer, no matter what it is, provided you have trust."

The point remains as I said earlier: ​I noticed that every one of them makes the point that the person doing the praying is “righteous” and the prayer itself is effective and powerful because of that fact. It does appear that the righteous have the belief/faith/trust which gives them the power of the kind of prayer that moves mountains – availeth much – is effective.

You are of course, welcome to have your own opinion which I refuse to argue with.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

We cannot rebuke Satan ourselves.
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Very Wrong, lolz..... have you ever had a 1 on 1 Encounter with the Tempter? I highly doubt it with that comment.. Indeed!

 

[just-me]

We cannot rebuke Satan ourselves.
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Very Wrong, lolz..... have you ever had a 1 on 1 Encounter with the Tempter? I highly doubt it with that comment.. Indeed!

I agree. All those mountains and roots of bitterness must be brought to Jesus in prayer as post #27 indicates with quoted scripture. Michal the arch angle dared to rebuke and rail accusation against Satan. If He couldn't we sure cannot. Only Christ can because He has the authority, we do not.

 

[MarcR]

“Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief;” Mark 9:24 KJV


It seems to me that what might be intended here is:

'Lord I know and believe in my mind that you can do anything. I have less confidence that it is your will and desire to do _____ for ME. Help me live with confidence that in Your love You desire to meet my need in this way.'

 

[just-us-2]

We cannot rebuke Satan ourselves.
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Very Wrong, lolz..... have you ever had a 1 on 1 Encounter with the Tempter? I highly doubt it with that comment.. Indeed!

As a matter of fact, yes I have. Doubt all you want, but if Michael the Archangel would not rebuke Satan himself, I certainly am not presumptuous enough to think I can do something an archangel can't. All of the power at my disposal is in Christ and under His authority.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

We cannot rebuke Satan ourselves. We speak to the Lord and HE rebukes Satan. (Jude 9-10) The only way these two scriptures where JESUS is speaking to Satan who is offering Him all the kingdoms of the world really pertain to what I was saying is that the prayers of a righteous man, which undoubtedly Jesus was, are powerful and effective. Jesus put Satan in his place by quoting Deuteronomy, so obviously the Law of God still has power and does the speaking. Furthermore, the mountain and the tree are not Satan - they can represent his tactics, but they are not the adversary.
21 Yeshua answered them, "Yes! I tell you, if you have trust and don't doubt, you will not only do what was done to this fig tree; but even if you say to this mountain, `Go and throw yourself into the sea!' it will be done.
22 In other words, you will receive everything you ask for in prayer, no matter what it is, provided you have trust."
Add verse 24 since it is a continuation of the thought presented in 23.
23 Yes! I tell you that whoever does not doubt in his heart but trusts that what he says will happen can say to this mountain, `Go and throw yourself into the sea!' and it will be done for him.
24 Therefore, I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, trust that you are receiving it, and it will be yours.
I don’t see where this pertains to the discussion I presented.


18 The next morning, on his way back to the city, he felt hungry.
19 Spotting a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. So he said to it, "May you never again bear fruit!" and immediately the fig tree dried up.
20 The talmidim saw this and were amazed. "How did the fig tree dry up so quickly?" they asked.
21 Yeshua answered them, "Yes! I tell you, if you have trust and don't doubt, you will not only do what was done to this fig tree; but even if you say to this mountain, `Go and throw yourself into the sea!' it will be done.
22 In other words, you will receive everything you ask for in prayer, no matter what it is, provided you have trust."

The point remains as I said earlier: ​I noticed that every one of them makes the point that the person doing the praying is “righteous” and the prayer itself is effective and powerful because of that fact. It does appear that the righteous have the belief/faith/trust which gives them the power of the kind of prayer that moves mountains – availeth much – is effective.

You are of course, welcome to have your own opinion which I refuse to argue with.

Hint:
Jesus was here to show us how to do it when he left.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

As a matter of fact, yes I have. Doubt all you want, but if Michael the Archangel would not rebuke Satan himself, I certainly am not presumptuous enough to think I can do something an archangel can't. All of the power at my disposal is in Christ and under His authority.

So how do the 12 and 70 disciples do it?

Oh that's right it was for their time only....

 

[Jeff_56]

corrie ten boom cast demons out of a whole congregation.

who did she call on to do it?

JESUS. simply in JESUS NAME, commanded the demons to leave, and they left. (with VERY visible results).

the account is plain and simple in one of her biographies or other books.

she doesn't make anything 'big' out of it -- it was just 'normal' to do... and it worked, right then and there.

 

[Least]

corrie ten boom cast demons out of a whole congregation.

who did she call on to do it?

JESUS. simply in JESUS NAME, commanded the demons to leave, and they left. (with VERY visible results).

the account is plain and simple in one of her biographies or other books.

she doesn't make anything 'big' out of it -- it was just 'normal' to do... and it worked, right then and there.

I love Corrie Ten Boom. I only heard of her a few years ago when I found a used book about her life.

To me, that confirms the original message about the things that are deeply rooted in a person’s heart. Corrie Ten Boom went through extreme troubles including the loss of her father and sister when they were imprisoned.

Instead of being bitter, (though for a time, she was, according to her book.) she, through her relationship with Christ became an awesome testimony to the goodness of God and faith in Christ as a true living example of having a relationship with and in Him.

It’s a testimony of strength in weakness and overcoming in Christ. Because of her faith in Christ those roots of bitterness were removed.

Hebrews 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

here’s a link to her testimony called, “Moving from Bitterness to Forgiveness.”

https://www.lifeaction.org/revival-resources/revive/forgiveness/moving-bitterness-forgiveness/

 

[posthuman]

what did the Tempter say to Jesus about the stones?

if He is the Son of God, turn them into bread?

what did Emmanuel reply?

as it is written - do not tempt the Lord your God

may He give us peace, and may we be grateful in His sufficiency
may He be lifted up, not us; may He increase, and may we decrease.

 

[just-us-2]

corrie ten boom cast demons out of a whole congregation.

who did she call on to do it?

JESUS. simply in JESUS NAME, commanded the demons to leave, and they left. (with VERY visible results).

the account is plain and simple in one of her biographies or other books.

she doesn't make anything 'big' out of it -- it was just 'normal' to do... and it worked, right then and there.

It was reading one of Corrie Ten Boom's books that showed me how to get out from under the frightening demonic oppression I was trying to live with. Great Christian woman!

 

[just-us-2]

So how do the 12 and 70 disciples do it?

Oh that's right it was for their time only....

Your sarcasm and arrogance are very unbecoming for a Christian - one who is to be an image of Christ.

As a "travelling preacher" you are in a position of teaching others, so the message is this: James 1:3 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, since you know that we will be judged more severely.

And you have shown that you lack wisdom to rightly divide the Word of Truth. So, I will treat you as such, with Romans 14:1 as my guide. Romans 14:1 "Now as for a person whose trust is weak, welcome him - but not to get into arguments over opinions."

And I understand what is going on so I won't argue with you. Romans 11:8 says, "...just as the Tanakh says, "God has given them a spirit of dullness eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear, right down to the present day."

Matthew 28:18 Yeshua came and talked with them. He said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”

If Jesus doesn't give the power, we have no power. 1 Corinthians 12:11 “One and the same Spirit is at work in all these things, distributing to each person as he chooses.”

If we are not given the power according to God's will we need to ask for the power. All power comes through Christ. That's the whole point.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

Your sarcasm and arrogance are very unbecoming for a Christian - one who is to be an image of Christ.

As a "travelling preacher" you are in a position of teaching others, so the message is this: James 1:3 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, since you know that we will be judged more severely.

And you have shown that you lack wisdom to rightly divide the Word of Truth. So, I will treat you as such, with Romans 14:1 as my guide. Romans 14:1 "Now as for a person whose trust is weak, welcome him - but not to get into arguments over opinions."

And I understand what is going on so I won't argue with you. Romans 11:8 says, "...just as the Tanakh says, "God has given them a spirit of dullness eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear, right down to the present day."

Matthew 28:18 Yeshua came and talked with them. He said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.”

If Jesus doesn't give the power, we have no power. 1 Corinthians 12:11 “One and the same Spirit is at work in all these things, distributing to each person as he chooses.”

If we are not given the power according to God's will we need to ask for the power. All power comes through Christ. That's the whole point.

Stop swiping and attacking because you got caught in a contradiction. Now you state you have the power in Christ and before you said you did not. The only double minded person here is you.

Sorry you got caught stating we cannot do something, the Bible and Jesus gave us authority and power to do. Do not swipe at me, because your double minded and got caught being double minded.

 

[DesiredHaven]

I was looking at some comparisons that could possibly be made in a few of these, rolling them around, I thought these were interesting, I am not a teacher I compare and find for myself but I think showing what you might have thought on can be helpful for others without necessarily taking it anywhere.


Mat 17:20 And Jesus said unto them,
Because of your unbelief:
for verily I say unto you,
If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed,
ye shall say unto this mountain,
Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove;
and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Zech 4:7 Who art thou, O great mountain?
before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain:
and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof
with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

John 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received,
and grace for grace.

Roman 4:16 Therefore it is of faith,
that it might be by grace;
to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed;
not to that only which is of the law,
but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham;
who is the father of us all,

If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed,
ye shall say unto this mountain,
Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove;
and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

1 Cr 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy,
and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge;
and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains,
and have not charity, I am nothing.

Mark 11:23 For verily I say unto you,
That whosoever shall say unto this mountain,
Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart,
but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass;
he shall have whatsoever he saith.

The imagery

Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded,
and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea:
and the third part of the sea became blood; (Rev 8:11, waters became bitter here)

Whereas here to the contrary

Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto
the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire,
nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

The sound (not the sound of this one)

Heb 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words;
which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more

Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded,
And if so much as a beast touch the mountain,
it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake )

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Heb 12:34 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Just thought these were cool, if they can help for any kind of comparing here