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Soyeong

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Isaiah
55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Why did you quote those verses? The Bible repeatedly describes the Mosaic Law as being God’s ways, such as in Deuteronomy 10:12-14, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, 1 Kings 2:1-3, Psalms 103:7, Psalms 119:1-3, and many other places.
 

ResidentAlien

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You must be circumcised and convert to Judaism before you can become a Christian.
 

Soyeong

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You must be circumcised and convert to Judaism before you can become a Christian.
Jesus came as the Jewish Messiah of Judaism in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy and he sent a prefect example for us to follow of how to practice Judaism by walking in sinless obedience to the Torah, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). While Gentiles do not need to convert to being Jewa in order to follow Christ, it is contradictory for a Gentile to want to be a follower of Christ while refusing to follow his example.

In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith who are all zealous for the Torah, which is in accordance with believing in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (Titus 2:14), so Jews who were coming to faith in Jesus were not ceasing to practice Judaism in accordance with his example. This means that there was a period of time between the resurrection of Jesus and the inclusion of Gentiles in Acts 10 that is estimated to be around 7-15 years during which all Christians were Torah observant Jews, so Christianity at is origin was the form of Judaism that recognized Jesus as its Messiah. It is impossible to be a follower of Jesus while wanting nothing to do with being a follower of the religion that he followed.
 
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Jesus came as the Jewish Messiah of Judaism in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy and he sent a prefect example for us to follow of how to practice Judaism by walking in sinless obedience to the Torah, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). While Gentiles do not need to convert to being Jewa in order to follow Christ, it is contradictory for a Gentile to want to be a follower of Christ while refusing to follow his example.

In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith who are all zealous for the Torah, which is in accordance with believing in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (Titus 2:14), so Jews who were coming to faith in Jesus were not ceasing to practice Judaism in accordance with his example. This means that there was a period of time between the resurrection of Jesus and the inclusion of Gentiles in Acts 10 that is estimated to be around 7-15 years during which all Christians were Torah observant Jews, so Christianity at is origin was the form of Judaism that recognized Jesus as its Messiah. It is impossible to be a follower of Jesus while wanting nothing to do with being a follower of the religion that he followed.
Just observing the Ten Commandments, but without love, it is meaningless.
 

Soyeong

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Just observing the Ten Commandments, but without love, it is meaningless.
The purpose of the 613 laws of Moses is to teach us how to love God and our neighbor, which is why Jesus said that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so someone who goes through the motions of obeying the Mosaic Law without love is missing the goal of the law, which leads to death just as assuredly as refusing to submit to it.