Understanding God’s election
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Do you mean to say that spiritually dead actually means spiritually dead????????????????????????
So that when we are told we were made alive in Christ it actually means what it says and is not just some cute euphemism?
Philippians 3 verse 3; Colossians 2 verse 11; Romans 2 verse 29b ~ For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh. You were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands. Circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.
So that when we are told we were made alive in Christ it actually means what it says and is not just some cute euphemism?
Philippians 3 verse 3; Colossians 2 verse 11; Romans 2 verse 29b ~ For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh. You were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands. Circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.
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Let's briefly return to Jn 3:16-17 in which FWers magically change the meaning of "kosmos" in v. 16 to something else in v. 17. You FWers insist that God loves everyone in the world w/o exception. But then turn right around and deny that v. 17 is teaching that God sent his son into the world to save the world, that is to say each and every person in the world w/o exception. Yet...that is what the text explicitly says, according to your universal understanding of the Gr. term "kosmos", which by the way has 8 or 9 different meanings, depending on context.
You FWers are a duplicitous bunch! You have to perform feats of mental gymnastics to get around the term "world" in v. 17 in order to avoid the heresy of universal or...OMNIsalvation.
You FWers are a duplicitous bunch! You have to perform feats of mental gymnastics to get around the term "world" in v. 17 in order to avoid the heresy of universal or...OMNIsalvation.
I don't need to show anything since, like you, I don't see the two attributes as being at odds with each other. God demonstrated great and awesome power in the Exodus while simultaneously demonstrating equally great and awesome love toward his covenant people Israel, while yet simultaneously not demonstrating that love toward the Egyptians whose hearts HE turned to hate his covenant people. So...shove these biblical truths into your hash pipe and puff on it!
M.O. never changes. First you get your hat handed to you again, then you deny 2 verses that have 3 purpose clauses in them state anything about purpose. Then when you can't get away with the error, just change the discussion, and along the way start writing diversionary narratives.
Amazing...
Amazing...
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Look up 9516 in which you wrote in part:
Studier Replied:
God's Word convinces the thinking mind still capable of being convinced. That's why there is sufficient discussion in the Text re: Christians proclaiming and instructing God's Word to persuade/convince and the drawing/enabling being by the Word the Father was teaching through His Son/the Word in order for men to hear and learn > come. > believe. That same concept is alive and active today with Christ's men proclaiming the Good News Message/Word of the resurrected Christ, the Holy Spirit here convincing since Jesus Christ ascended, and Christ drawing.
"...the thinking mind still capable of being convinced" That is your personal presumption since the dead can't be convinced of anything -- until Life has been granted unto them.
And the last phrase in the above quote pays mere lip service to the Holy Spirit, since his "convincing" isn't effectual in your world. Therefore, you need to tell us specifically what or who finally EFFECTUATES a sinner's salvation.
Studier Replied:
God's Word convinces the thinking mind still capable of being convinced. That's why there is sufficient discussion in the Text re: Christians proclaiming and instructing God's Word to persuade/convince and the drawing/enabling being by the Word the Father was teaching through His Son/the Word in order for men to hear and learn > come. > believe. That same concept is alive and active today with Christ's men proclaiming the Good News Message/Word of the resurrected Christ, the Holy Spirit here convincing since Jesus Christ ascended, and Christ drawing.
"...the thinking mind still capable of being convinced" That is your personal presumption since the dead can't be convinced of anything -- until Life has been granted unto them.
And the last phrase in the above quote pays mere lip service to the Holy Spirit, since his "convincing" isn't effectual in your world. Therefore, you need to tell us specifically what or who finally EFFECTUATES a sinner's salvation.
Even someone who is blind is helpless to change their condition. The same with the lame. They need a miraculous cure. They are unable, in and of themselves, to fix their condition. They need the help of God.
The spiritually dead individual is equally in need of a miraculous cure. But unlike the blind and lame, who are very much aware of their affliction, the spiritually blind do not know that they are. Read Revelation 3:17. They are going through life thinking all is well. Except their condition be made known to them and a cure brought to them, they will die in their sins, being ignorant of their estate.
The spiritually dead individual is equally in need of a miraculous cure. But unlike the blind and lame, who are very much aware of their affliction, the spiritually blind do not know that they are. Read Revelation 3:17. They are going through life thinking all is well. Except their condition be made known to them and a cure brought to them, they will die in their sins, being ignorant of their estate.
Given what I just posted in 12,758 methinks that the "thinking mind" in which Studier places great pride is going to have to rewrite 1Cor 1:26-31. Instead of God choosing the foolish things, the weak things, the lowly things, the despised things and things so that no one can boast before God, Studier is going to have to do a major rewrite of the chapter. He's going to have to say that God chose the thinking minds of this world who are still capable of being convinced. This way, our resident Wizard of Smarts will have something of which to boast.
Maybe our resident Wizard will become an editor of his own bible translation and call it The Thinking Person's Translation --- TPT for short.
Maybe our resident Wizard will become an editor of his own bible translation and call it The Thinking Person's Translation --- TPT for short.