Understanding God’s election

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So you are saying that I tell people to ignore what God says to do? You are claiming I tell people to disobey God?

If you can point out the post where I make such a statement, you would be doing me a great kindness. I will not only recant such a statement, but make a public apology.
“You are claiming I tell people to disobey God?”

not at all what m not addressing you but the doctor citrine you were talking about earlier when I replied…..I’m saying that doctrine has to eliminate the things Jesus said to do because it’s all about “ not having to do anything Gods already done it that stuff about needing to do anything is “ salvation by works ect ect “


Naw bro I wasn’t aware I was addressing you personally but the doctrine you were talking about. It requires a person to reject the doctrine Jesus taught then to believe about salvation and act in …..that’s all I was saying
 
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God does not hate anyone.

God shows no favoritism any where or at anytime.

Jesus gave His life for Jacob and Esau.

Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers
and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

I am assuming that as God hated Esau and condemned Esau to an eternity of suffering.

That you also hate your parents and wish they were in hell for eternity also.
God foresaw that esau would have no respect unto him and would sell his inheritance and birthrite for a bowl of stew ……..God has foreknowledge
 
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God does not hate anyone.

God shows no favoritism any where or at anytime.

Jesus gave His life for Jacob and Esau.

Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers
and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

I am assuming that as God hated Esau and condemned Esau to an eternity of suffering.

That you also hate your parents and wish they were in hell for eternity also.

“Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

and repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭7:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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“You are claiming I tell people to disobey God?”

not at all what m not addressing you but the doctor citrine you were talking about earlier when I replied…..I’m saying that doctrine has to eliminate the things Jesus said to do because it’s all about “ not having to do anything Gods already done it that stuff about needing to do anything is “ salvation by works ect ect “


Naw bro I wasn’t aware I was addressing you personally but the doctrine you were talking about. It requires a person to reject the doctrine Jesus taught then to believe about salvation and act in …..that’s all I was saying
This is false as well. Nothing I have said countermands anything Jesus said. But again, please do me the kindness of pointing out the offending posts.
 
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God shows us in His word the estate of mankind......No doubt.

God shows us in His word what He has done for mankind......No doubt.

Reformed theology is STUCK on the estate of man and can't see what God has done to FIX that.
“can't see what God has done to FIX that.”

because many of them reject what he said …..
 
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This is false as well. Nothing I have said countermands anything Jesus said. But again, please do me the kindness of pointing out the offending posts.
Lol bro apparently I do nothing but say false things about you 😂😂😂 so I better stop personally attacking you lol I’ll make sure not to do that anymore buddy
 
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Are you not saying this is the substance of my posts? Do you imagine we're the only one's reading the posts?
Brother I don’t wanna squabble because of hurt feelings the fact is I didint say a word about you , it’s something that you have perceived . But I assume anyone who comes to this site can read and does read some of the posts what does who reads posts have to do with anything ? You haven’t been victimized or wronged cameron it does t matter who reads the posts I’ve still said nothing about you …..
 
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I completely agree.

Reformed theology fixates on the problem with mankind. And cannot see how God Fixed it!
Yes agreed because they don’t listen to what it is he said to begin with and stay with the truth

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭

Like your saying there’s the old and how he thinks and speaks and his disposition and then there’s the new tbat believers of the gospel are called to take up and put on

if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:21-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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How often we speak continually of salvation being God's work, and we confirm that always,
which includes negating the completely unBiblical traditions of man that have man exalting
himself and taking credit for God's, work but liars say the opposite. Well, they are liars after all.
 

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He’s sort of sayong gods word doesn’t make sense of you try to make everything a random hidden choice by god and no one has a choice . I don’t think it’s self worship to acknolwedge Gods word . Another example of what he is saying is

this is true because it’s written repeatedly but the whole idea of this “ hypergrace “ all based on Gods random choices doesn’t make any sense or becomes nonsensical and untrue

“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-11‬ ‭

this is either true or it’s a diversion and God makes random choices not based on anything people do

those two things can’t both be true. The idea of modern hypergrace doesn’t for the doctrine taught by Jesus and his apostles

How can one hear this word of the lord himself

““Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live,

and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭NIV‬‬

and then claim Gods random choice based only on his own Will ?

The God alone choosing independent of mans actions doesn’t hold water when someone reads very much of the bible at all considering what Jesus the lord and also his apostles said to those who would listen to him and then afterwards

“What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16:26-27‬ ‭NIV‬‬

That fits like a glove from Jesus teachings to Paul’s

Jesus

“those who have done what is good will rise to live,

and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.”

jesus

“then he will reward each person according to what they have done.”

Paul

God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Paul

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade others. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭

Do you see how this concept

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction;

whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:7-9‬ ‭NIV‬‬

sort of ruins the idea of a soveriegn choice tbat over rules our choice given by god ? Even this first principle of faith does
Hebrews 9:28
So Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation
without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

Christians are not judged with respect to any sin that they have committed, when Jesus returns.

Because their sins have already been forgiven and they are perfectly righteous.

We are rewarded by Jesus not judged.

There is no fear when you love
 
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He’s sort of sayong gods word doesn’t make sense of you try to make everything a random hidden
choice by god and no one has a choice . I don’t think it’s self worship to acknolwedge Gods word .
The problem is that God's Word is not being acknowledged by the free will
crowd when so many verses get ignored, contradicted, and outright denied.


Like saying everyone hears. Jesus makes plain everyone does not hear.

That is just one example. I have given many over the last few months.

I don't think you like seeing them at all.