UNDESERVED PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT

[phil36]

I'm reading both Phil36 and PennED. Hi guys! What you guys are saying comes down imo to how we see Jesus today in our lives.
Some do not believe the same way I do. I have great expectations and like the devotional., have had Jesus show up in my life and take care of me each and every time.

We each see things in the Bible differently and this is not odd. I believe based on my reading and the teaching and comparing of Bible understanding that Paul's thorn in the flesh was not sickness but people who were a pain in his life. I have not come to this over night and it takes comparing things I've read in the Bible before.

We each have our Bible journeys to take and we may each read the same verses and come up with something different and yet that is how the Bible works. The HolySpirit can bring the exact truth into our hearts that we needed. Taylor made.

And so if you guys believe the tribulations we go through are from God (and I don't) that is your choice. I know and believe that good comes from God. Evil comes from satan who comes to kill steal and destroy. Jesus came to give life and that more abundantly.

I've "repented" / (changed my way of thinking) about Jesus and what He did for me when He saved my soul. He gave me a new spirit and made me a child of God giving me the gift of His righteousness. I don't "do" righteous to be righteous., I AM righteous IN Christ.

And so in such matters as troubles in the world., I know He will take me through them and bring me out the other side. He has never failed me and He never will. And it's an actual relief to know it's a pleasing thing for Him to know I trust Him and want to keep learning how to trust Him more. And He daily gives more incentives.

Hi Joanniemarie,

Thanks for your post.. I understand you agree with Prince, or else you would not have posted your OP. All I was pointing out is that I disagree with his teachings and think he is dangerous to the church at large - as with all 'word of faith' and health and wealth preachers.

Will my views persuade you to look further, I don't know - but it might make someone else stop and think about what it is they think they are agreeing to when listening to these guys.

Anyhow, have a blessed day.

 

[Grace777x70]

There are definite admonishments in scripture to not have our treasure in "things" . God is not opposed to His children having "things". He is opposed to "things" having His children.

We are going to have our religiously taught theology of abundance and blessings blown out of our minds when we see the nature of God and all that He has for us when we see what He has for us in Christ when we go to see Him.



Riches can be deceitful as we can learn to rely on them instead of the Lord Himself. Yet, God Himself is rich in all things. It is the "love of money" that is the root of all evil. Not the money itself.

The Good Samaritian needed riches in order to help the man beaten. He paid for his medical bills, hotel room and food. He doesn't do that by just saying "God bless you". God uses tangible things in this earth to bless others and that takes money folks.



Sometimes we are so religiously brain-washed and taught wrong things that we are of no earthly good.

People see the admonishments in scripture for the rich and throw out the blessings of God. Then there are those that look at the blessings of God and use that truth to satisfy their own lusts. The answer is not abuse or non-use of a truth but proper use.

We go from one ditch to the other in some truths depending on our church upbringing and teachings.

God blesses His children so that we can be a blessing to others. It's the very nature of the kingdom of God.

Joseph of Arimathaea was a rich disciple of Jesus. Jesus didn't chastise him for being rich. God used him to provide a tomb for Jesus.

God wants for us what any good parent wants for their children - however there are many children that have not grown up yet in the Lord to be able to be a steward of the things of this earth so it behooves us to make sure our real treasure is Christ Himself.

 

[Depleted]

Has anyone asked RobOp if it is true she has asked about posting these devotionals?

Do you usually go with the person is guilty until otherwise proven? It must take a long time to buy stuff at a store that way. Sorry, but I'm American, so lean to not-guilty, unless otherwise proven.

I truly believe joaniemarie really believes what she promotes, and really did ask RobOp.

Joseph Prince is the guilty, not Joanie.

 

[Depleted]

1. Threads like these are no longer supposed to be made or debated about.

2. To link us to something, highlight the link, right-click on it, do "copy", put it where you want it, do "paste" and waalaa.

3. Please refer to the thread at the top of this forum, by CS1..

Alas, there is a problem with that method. At least, I see it for Spurgeon's devotionals, so I'm guessing it happens with some others too.

Most of the ones I copy/paste are from that morning or that evening. Either way, they are daily, set up for that particular day. So, if I copy/paste January 26th's morning's link and you find the thread on January 28th, you're reading January 28ths, which isn't the 26ths. Assuming I do comment on the piece, you then have yet more proof I'm nuts. What I wrote about has little to nothing to do with what the link says two days later.

It really is okay to copy/paste some things from other parts of the Internet. Just as long as we due-diligence sourcing after checking permission.

And given Joseph Prince is about the money, of course he'll give a sample so people want the product. He's a very good marketer.

 

[Depleted]

Robo NEVER EVER comes into the forums..

He does PM's though.

(Caveat: That's not me recommending PMing RobOp. Heaven knows, he's up to his eyeballs already, so if we have questions, it's probably best to PM a mod, not the admin.)

 

[Depleted]

John 8:32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. So often in life it comes down to this. Knowing and believing the truth and the promises of God's word and walking in those promises will make us free. If I want to be free of worry it means believing what the the Bible says and what the Holy Spirit reveals to my heart and spirit. I can't listen to my feelings of fear and doubt or other people's. Stepping out in faith means believing He will catch me and not allow me to fall.

I'm puzzled why so many Christians fight against being blessed or in other words, being caught when they step out in faith. Why is it such a stretch for us to trust Jesus when first He saved our souls., to also trust He also saves our lives now? Is it because people have not had success in their lives when they felt they followed Jesus as best they could? ...

I can answer what I have against this mentality. The focus is mememememe. What do I get out of this relationship? What's in it for me?

Let's bring it down to something more visual. The Philadelphia Eagles.

Two Eagles fans. Both proclaiming undying love for their team.

One is dressed up in the proper, most modern day version of a jersey, and has all the gear from the current collection as well as all the gear from previous apparel. They even have the decal on their car, which, of course, is painted Eagles' green. They drink out of Eagles glasses and Eagles mugs. Everything Eagles, and yet, who is the kicker? They can't tell you. Who is the second-string QB? Can't tell you that either. They can't even tell you the difference between a kicker and punter.

And then there is the other fan. They worry about Wentz's off season. They worry about Pederson. They pray for each member of the team. They study how to play the game to see what the team can do with the men they have on the team already. They look forward to draft day, and are saddened for years because Donovan left. And then Mike left. And, how is Shady doing? The man could use prayer. They leave encouraing messages on the players-only gate, and leave encouragement on each players FB page, just in case.

I see Joseph Prince followers as those who are the first kind of fan. They use and use, without even a minor concept of giving. It is too easy to throw the cap across the room when things don't go right. They're into God to get the most out of him without dealing with HIM.

You know, like "undeserved preferential treatment."

What I like about Spurgeon is he has a way of keeping the focus on God.

And, yeah, I know you'll come back with a long post on how I'm not seeing it right, negativity in my sight, etc. etc., but you asked, so I answered.

BTW, are you LadyLynn? If you are, let RobOp know. He misses you.

 

[phil36]

What I like about Spurgeon is he has a way of keeping the focus on God.

Very True indeed.

 

[Chester]

Good one. We are to stick to discussing the content of an OP in a respectful, non-insulting manner and not attack individuals nor use terms that we have been asked to stop using because of the bad behavior that they can bring.

To me it shows the wisdom of God operating in CS1.

Interesting: I clicked on the link given in the post you responded to and found this: (cut and pasted word for word)

"And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it" - CS1

"We (Christian Chat) believe that the doctrine of Hyper-Grace as preached by some "big name" pastors is just as much in error as the legalism pushed by others." - Oncefallen


Post # 69 - blue ladybug

For those too lazy to click a link, or can't find CS1's thread:

"Hyper Grace " and preachers of the doctrine on CC

 

[Grace777x70]

Interesting: I clicked on the link given in the post you responded to and found this: (cut and pasted word for word)

"And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it" - CS1

"We (Christian Chat) believe that the doctrine of Hyper-Grace as preached by some "big name" pastors is just as much in error as the legalism pushed by others." - Oncefallen


Post # 69 - blue ladybug

For those too lazy to click a link, or can't find CS1's thread:

"Hyper Grace " and preachers of the doctrine on CC

Yes...it is the threads that were started by people attacking people about the hyper-grace. The devotionals are ok to post as they are not attacking people - just lifting up the work of Christ.

People were starting threads with titles attacking certain individuals. I could give you examples but they are so foul - I'll refrain.



They also said that they were going to define it down to what is meant by the term "hyper-grace" but we have not heard back yet concerning that. It may have been in the posts that were deleted from the thread. Some posts were deleted from the thread and only 2 left.

So, the main thing that came across was behavior that came from these kinds of threads. It is the accusations and name-calling that is the culprit.

Here is how CS1 put it in his first post on the behavior: The bottom line that I have seen is that they do not want people to use the term "hyper-grace" in posts or threads because of the foul behavior that comes from the use of that term.

Unfortunately some have not abided by this and still bring up the term "hyper-grace" in posts which is a clear violation as it stirs up strife and division.

If you see it being done - report it and eventually it will stop one way or another - then we can have respectful discussions and see what the differences really are in some beliefs and we can all learn about the Lord's magnificent work for us together.

Quote:

Now it is not that CC agree with nor against this doctrine as many hold to calvinist and the positions and have scriptural ref to support their understanding. BUT maturity and not attacking those is what is needed. here is what we get when the "hyper grace" topic is brought up:

1. your not saved
2. attacks
3. false teacher
4. infraction submitted
5. request for account to be closed
6. name calling
7. "hyper grace" brought into every post when not even the topic of origin

I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.


Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it. remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.

God bless,

very respectfully,

CS1

 

[joaniemarie]

I can answer what I have against this mentality. The focus is mememememe. What do I get out of this relationship? What's in it for me?

Let's bring it down to something more visual. The Philadelphia Eagles.

Two Eagles fans. Both proclaiming undying love for their team.

One is dressed up in the proper, most modern day version of a jersey, and has all the gear from the current collection as well as all the gear from previous apparel. They even have the decal on their car, which, of course, is painted Eagles' green. They drink out of Eagles glasses and Eagles mugs. Everything Eagles, and yet, who is the kicker? They can't tell you. Who is the second-string QB? Can't tell you that either. They can't even tell you the difference between a kicker and punter.

And then there is the other fan. They worry about Wentz's off season. They worry about Pederson. They pray for each member of the team. They study how to play the game to see what the team can do with the men they have on the team already. They look forward to draft day, and are saddened for years because Donovan left. And then Mike left. And, how is Shady doing? The man could use prayer. They leave encouraing messages on the players-only gate, and leave encouragement on each players FB page, just in case.

I see Joseph Prince followers as those who are the first kind of fan. They use and use, without even a minor concept of giving. It is too easy to throw the cap across the room when things don't go right. They're into God to get the most out of him without dealing with HIM.

You know, like "undeserved preferential treatment."

What I like about Spurgeon is he has a way of keeping the focus on God.

And, yeah, I know you'll come back with a long post on how I'm not seeing it right, negativity in my sight, etc. etc., but you asked, so I answered.

BTW, are you LadyLynn? If you are, let RobOp know. He misses you.

Hi Deleted., yes, it's me Ladylynn. I put my name up a few times already and also put it on my current profile. I figured those who didn't see it would guess because of this comic scan print and obvious enjoyment of using this devotional. I spoke with Robo some weeks ago and we had a good chat. He is a Godly man who I've grown to appreciate very much.

I'll get back to answering your post later since I'm headed out to work. Blessings Lynn

 

[joaniemarie]

I can answer what I have against this mentality. The focus is mememememe. What do I get out of this relationship? What's in it for me?

Let's bring it down to something more visual. The Philadelphia Eagles.

Two Eagles fans. Both proclaiming undying love for their team.

One is dressed up in the proper, most modern day version of a jersey, and has all the gear from the current collection as well as all the gear from previous apparel. They even have the decal on their car, which, of course, is painted Eagles' green. They drink out of Eagles glasses and Eagles mugs. Everything Eagles, and yet, who is the kicker? They can't tell you. Who is the second-string QB? Can't tell you that either. They can't even tell you the difference between a kicker and punter.

And then there is the other fan. They worry about Wentz's off season. They worry about Pederson. They pray for each member of the team. They study how to play the game to see what the team can do with the men they have on the team already. They look forward to draft day, and are saddened for years because Donovan left. And then Mike left. And, how is Shady doing? The man could use prayer. They leave encouraing messages on the players-only gate, and leave encouragement on each players FB page, just in case.

I see Joseph Prince followers as those who are the first kind of fan. They use and use, without even a minor concept of giving. It is too easy to throw the cap across the room when things don't go right. They're into God to get the most out of him without dealing with HIM.

You know, like "undeserved preferential treatment."

What I like about Spurgeon is he has a way of keeping the focus on God.

And, yeah, I know you'll come back with a long post on how I'm not seeing it right, negativity in my sight, etc. etc., but you asked, so I answered.

BTW, are you LadyLynn? If you are, let RobOp know. He misses you.

There is a big difference between being self aware and being selfish. God made us self aware. We see everything and it comes through our own eyes and enters into our own minds. What you posted here is taking a giant step in presumption about how other people feel and behave and what their motivation is. God blesses His children and teaches His children to bless others. He loves us first so we can see it done and love others. Jesus is our Shepherd Who goes on before us and leads the way also in example.

I see Joseph Prince followers as those who are the first kind of fan. They use and use, without even a minor concept of giving. It is too easy to throw the cap across the room when things don't go right. They're into God to get the most out of him without dealing with HIM.

This is much like someone who is healed and then they try to tell those who were not healed that it's because of sin in their lives or lack of faith. But in reality no one knows the hearts of other people. Only God Himself can guarantee 100% proper judgment upon another as to their hearts motives. Only God knows individual reasons why a person was or was not healed right away or at all.

You like Spurgeon's devotionals, I like Prince's. I don't think to call you a Spurgeon follower. That doesn't even cross my mind since I have read many devotionals but didn't consider myself a "follower" of those who wrote them. There is way too much judgment going on here and in all that judgment it makes respectful discussion impossible.

You are totally untitled to your opinions and your way of living life as a Christian woman. And so am I. You can read what you like and be encouraged by different people in your life. But you must also remember that those of us who are not like you have just as much entitlement to opinions and ways of living and preferences in reading and learning that may not line up with your personal preferences for teachers and preachers in the Christian community.

I say it is more profitable to agree to disagree without the insults and put downs. Personal attacks are just shooting your own fellow soldiers in the middle of war. How is that pleasing to Christ and how does it do anything but give satan a foothold?