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I thought I was out on a limb with my doubts of Galileo and the subversion of the scientific "baseline" of many things.
Geocentricity obliterates a huge chunk of Pagan science in one fell swoop.
Universal Laws of Heavenly Bodies
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If you read the post, you'll see I was responding to Musky's implication that many Christians stubbornly hold to geocentricity. Prior to this thread, I've truly never encountered a professing Christian who wasn't a heliocentrist.
I thought I was out on a limb with my doubts of Galileo and the subversion of the scientific "baseline" of many things.
Geocentricity obliterates a huge chunk of Pagan science in one fell swoop.
I thought I was out on a limb with my doubts of Galileo and the subversion of the scientific "baseline" of many things.
Geocentricity obliterates a huge chunk of Pagan science in one fell swoop.
I just finished watching those vids you posted John and while I do not agree with the speakers assessment of everything he says that "Evolutionists say" he does propose a series of valid questions about the nature of the creation of the solar system which others have addressed how ever incorrectly.
Please do not take my stance to be that of a non-creationist rather a curious intellect seeking to understand the nature of the cosmos and the mechanics of its creation.
Is it not good to ask how and postulate how the creator creates? Is it not good for the son try to learn from and emulate the father?
Their are many many pieces of information being brought forth even today through research and study I never said we have all the answers but geocentricism has serious flaws in it's theory and I noticed he never touched on that topic once in the whole 9 episodes!
In fact he agreed with it!
As we are infantile in space research and development what 40-50 years really we are bound to find conundrums in the heavens we can't readily explain and yes some at the top may cover up evidence or not bring it forth because it violates their own theories due directly to pride.
We should continue our research on the heavenly bodies because it is good to learn.
If God made it then there can't be any harm inlearning how it was made now can there?
Please do not take my stance to be that of a non-creationist rather a curious intellect seeking to understand the nature of the cosmos and the mechanics of its creation.
Is it not good to ask how and postulate how the creator creates? Is it not good for the son try to learn from and emulate the father?
Their are many many pieces of information being brought forth even today through research and study I never said we have all the answers but geocentricism has serious flaws in it's theory and I noticed he never touched on that topic once in the whole 9 episodes!
In fact he agreed with it!
As we are infantile in space research and development what 40-50 years really we are bound to find conundrums in the heavens we can't readily explain and yes some at the top may cover up evidence or not bring it forth because it violates their own theories due directly to pride.
We should continue our research on the heavenly bodies because it is good to learn.
If God made it then there can't be any harm inlearning how it was made now can there?
The question was answered by knowing the speed of light we can therefore accurately measure a baseline by using the time it takes light to come from that object be it a reflection from the sun off the surface of the cellestial body in question that we are trying to measure distance from.
Therefore after having measured the red shift or time dilation coming from say Mars for example That is the light reflecting of the suns rays bouncing off the martian surface coming back to earth we can accurately get a baseline the rest is basic triginometry.
Therefore after having measured the red shift or time dilation coming from say Mars for example That is the light reflecting of the suns rays bouncing off the martian surface coming back to earth we can accurately get a baseline the rest is basic triginometry.
Yep. Seriously... I don't think I've been caught quite this flat-footed about something for a very long time, if ever. Why did I never really consider this in the whole package?
I mean... I already had a connect-the-dots outline of the Eschaton being ushered in by the Pharisee spirit from non-Hebrew modern Israel; and I had deduced the spirit of anti-christ coming primarily out of Turkey. The Khazar/Ashkenazi and reconstituted San Hedrin, etc. confirmed all that. I knew about the Dialectic and Noahide Laws and the Ideology that is Communitarianism and Socialism, etc., and the whole agenda through Zionism and the ties to Freemasonry, etc.
I know much about the Fed and Fractional Reserve and many subversive governmental areas; and I have challenged many areas of science related to Big Bang and Evolution as coercive and contrived, and agenda-driven by all the above mechanisms. I even considered geocentricity relative to cosmology and pondered many questions. But... I never really connected geocentricity to the bigger picture. I have no idea why not, but I just didn't.
Now my bwain hurts a little as I reconfigure for inclusion.
Was he banned? If so, why?
I mean... I already had a connect-the-dots outline of the Eschaton being ushered in by the Pharisee spirit from non-Hebrew modern Israel; and I had deduced the spirit of anti-christ coming primarily out of Turkey. The Khazar/Ashkenazi and reconstituted San Hedrin, etc. confirmed all that. I knew about the Dialectic and Noahide Laws and the Ideology that is Communitarianism and Socialism, etc., and the whole agenda through Zionism and the ties to Freemasonry, etc.
I know much about the Fed and Fractional Reserve and many subversive governmental areas; and I have challenged many areas of science related to Big Bang and Evolution as coercive and contrived, and agenda-driven by all the above mechanisms. I even considered geocentricity relative to cosmology and pondered many questions. But... I never really connected geocentricity to the bigger picture. I have no idea why not, but I just didn't.
Now my bwain hurts a little as I reconfigure for inclusion.
Was he banned? If so, why?
Stepping aside from all the rhetoric and whatever emotion gets tied up in all this...
Surely you understand the contentions about the speed of light and the parallax and red shift, etc. all being hypothetical. What I'm asking of you is one step back to make a long objective neutral consideration of both sides, if you can. It just isn't prudent to dismiss it all out of hand. It IS hypothetical.
That doesn't automatically mean it's fallacious and invalid; but I personally insist on more specific evidence for heliocentricity before I can even consider it.
When I came here and met zone, I already had a substantial outline of the Eschaton factors, events, and players. Her copious research clarified everything I already knew and collated it together in some areas that needed focus.
What I'm genuinely asking from you is... In light of the end-times undermining layers of conspiracy to establish the New World Order... please demonstrate overwhelming proof that these areas of science AREN'T hypothetical and part of the agenda. The questions and challenges are valid, especially in that context.
Can you get to that point of neutral objectivity and proceed from there? After the Godhead topic, I'm concerned that you can't. What say ye?
Surely you understand the contentions about the speed of light and the parallax and red shift, etc. all being hypothetical. What I'm asking of you is one step back to make a long objective neutral consideration of both sides, if you can. It just isn't prudent to dismiss it all out of hand. It IS hypothetical.
That doesn't automatically mean it's fallacious and invalid; but I personally insist on more specific evidence for heliocentricity before I can even consider it.
When I came here and met zone, I already had a substantial outline of the Eschaton factors, events, and players. Her copious research clarified everything I already knew and collated it together in some areas that needed focus.
What I'm genuinely asking from you is... In light of the end-times undermining layers of conspiracy to establish the New World Order... please demonstrate overwhelming proof that these areas of science AREN'T hypothetical and part of the agenda. The questions and challenges are valid, especially in that context.
Can you get to that point of neutral objectivity and proceed from there? After the Godhead topic, I'm concerned that you can't. What say ye?
J
Thanks Musk for the humility to admit those things.
I don't believe you are correct in saying that we should try to figure out how God creates. What was God's reply to Job in Job chapters 39-41? and how did Job respond to God's words in Job 42:2-3?
Job said "“I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted. You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’ Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know"
Too wonderful for me to KNOW ie it is impossible to know the ways of God.
and Romans 11:33
"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"
The ways of God cannot be measured. They are beyond our limited, finite minds and beyond the normal pattern of the way WE THINK the Universe operates.
Let me ask: can science ever figure out how Jesus was raised from the dead? NEVER, because God moves in the miraculous and supernatural. Science cannot measure the IMPOSSIBLE, neither should we try. It is futile and dabbling (occultic?) in realms we should not consider touching.
God wants us to trust Him (with what He said in the Bible) without trying to PROVE through science whether God can be trusted or not. Do you think God is happy with mankind trying to prove God wrong? "without faith it is impossible to please God" Hebrews 11:6
However, God knew these futile attempts would take place
In His grace/mercy He even assisted scientists in proving the accuracy of the bible BASED ON THINGS ON EARTH mostly through archaeology etc. See what it says here:
"This is what the LORD says: “Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done,” declares the LORD. Jeremiah 31:37
If you read that passage in context you will see that God was not saying that the Heavens could be measured. In fact the very opposite. God was saying that it is impossible for the Heavens and Earth to be measured. The context was regarding God's promise to Israel that THEY would never cease to be a people on Earth, ie BECAUSE the heavens will NEVER be measured.
I don't believe you are correct in saying that we should try to figure out how God creates. What was God's reply to Job in Job chapters 39-41? and how did Job respond to God's words in Job 42:2-3?
Job said "“I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted. You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’ Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know"
Too wonderful for me to KNOW ie it is impossible to know the ways of God.
and Romans 11:33
"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"
The ways of God cannot be measured. They are beyond our limited, finite minds and beyond the normal pattern of the way WE THINK the Universe operates.
Let me ask: can science ever figure out how Jesus was raised from the dead? NEVER, because God moves in the miraculous and supernatural. Science cannot measure the IMPOSSIBLE, neither should we try. It is futile and dabbling (occultic?) in realms we should not consider touching.
God wants us to trust Him (with what He said in the Bible) without trying to PROVE through science whether God can be trusted or not. Do you think God is happy with mankind trying to prove God wrong? "without faith it is impossible to please God" Hebrews 11:6
However, God knew these futile attempts would take place
In His grace/mercy He even assisted scientists in proving the accuracy of the bible BASED ON THINGS ON EARTH mostly through archaeology etc. See what it says here:
"This is what the LORD says: “Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done,” declares the LORD. Jeremiah 31:37
If you read that passage in context you will see that God was not saying that the Heavens could be measured. In fact the very opposite. God was saying that it is impossible for the Heavens and Earth to be measured. The context was regarding God's promise to Israel that THEY would never cease to be a people on Earth, ie BECAUSE the heavens will NEVER be measured.
J
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too many reports re: folks getting their feelings hurt i reckon.
you'll find him elsewhere, with the answers to this issue.
he's a super-brain...like you
can i use this post as a summary of the wide-ranging attempts by me to lay out the deception?
(one paragraph - and i been taking months....duh)
love z
you'll find him elsewhere, with the answers to this issue.
he's a super-brain...like you
can i use this post as a summary of the wide-ranging attempts by me to lay out the deception?
(one paragraph - and i been taking months
....duh)love z
Thanks Musk for the humility to admit those things.
I don't believe you are correct in saying that we should try to figure out how God creates. What was God's reply to Job in Job chapters 39-41? and how did Job respond to God's words in Job 42:2-3?
Job said "“I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted. You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’ Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know"
Too wonderful for me to KNOW ie it is impossible to know the ways of God.
and Romans 11:33
"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"
The ways of God cannot be measured. They are beyond our limited, finite minds and beyond the normal pattern of the way WE THINK the Universe operates.
Let me ask: can science ever figure out how Jesus was raised from the dead? NEVER, because God moves in the miraculous and supernatural. Science cannot measure the IMPOSSIBLE, neither should we try. It is futile and dabbling (occultic?) in realms we should not consider touching.
God wants us to trust Him (with what He said in the Bible) without trying to PROVE through science whether God can be trusted or not. Do you think God is happy with mankind trying to prove God wrong? "without faith it is impossible to please God" Hebrews 11:6
However, God knew these futile attempts would take place
In His grace/mercy He even assisted scientists in proving the accuracy of the bible BASED ON THINGS ON EARTH mostly through archaeology etc. See what it says here:
"This is what the LORD says: “Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done,” declares the LORD. Jeremiah 31:37
If you read that passage in context you will see that God was not saying that the Heavens could be measured. In fact the very opposite. God was saying that it is impossible for the Heavens and Earth to be measured. The context was regarding God's promise to Israel that THEY [the remnant...who were to become christian and receive the promise - Romans 11] would never cease to be a people on Earth, ie BECAUSE the heavens will NEVER be measured.
I don't believe you are correct in saying that we should try to figure out how God creates. What was God's reply to Job in Job chapters 39-41? and how did Job respond to God's words in Job 42:2-3?
Job said "“I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted. You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’ Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know"
Too wonderful for me to KNOW ie it is impossible to know the ways of God.
and Romans 11:33
"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"
The ways of God cannot be measured. They are beyond our limited, finite minds and beyond the normal pattern of the way WE THINK the Universe operates.
Let me ask: can science ever figure out how Jesus was raised from the dead? NEVER, because God moves in the miraculous and supernatural. Science cannot measure the IMPOSSIBLE, neither should we try. It is futile and dabbling (occultic?) in realms we should not consider touching.
God wants us to trust Him (with what He said in the Bible) without trying to PROVE through science whether God can be trusted or not. Do you think God is happy with mankind trying to prove God wrong? "without faith it is impossible to please God" Hebrews 11:6
However, God knew these futile attempts would take place
In His grace/mercy He even assisted scientists in proving the accuracy of the bible BASED ON THINGS ON EARTH mostly through archaeology etc. See what it says here:
"This is what the LORD says: “Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done,” declares the LORD. Jeremiah 31:37
If you read that passage in context you will see that God was not saying that the Heavens could be measured. In fact the very opposite. God was saying that it is impossible for the Heavens and Earth to be measured. The context was regarding God's promise to Israel that THEY [the remnant...who were to become christian and receive the promise
- Romans 11] would never cease to be a people on Earth, ie BECAUSE the heavens will NEVER be measured.
and it is occultists who repeatedly dabble in it.
they are occultists and their objective is not godly knowledge or seeking after His Truth...their overjectives are to build strongholds and blind minds.
history itself shows this.
with that said: we are not be be ignorant of satan devices. lest he get an advantage over us.
the hidden things of God are His, but what He is willing to reveal, He does so to His servants! AMEN!
Christ's words assure the election will never ultimately be deceived, in fact, we end up being the evidence of His Wisdom to the principalities and powers themselves:
Ephesians 3:10
New International Version (©1984)
His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,
New Living Translation (©2007)
God's purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places.
English Standard Version (©2001)
so that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places
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too many reports re: folks getting their feelings hurt i reckon.
you'll find him elsewhere, with the answers to this issue.
he's a super-brain...like you
you'll find him elsewhere, with the answers to this issue.
he's a super-brain...like you
Nothing original. Same Spirit. Remember?
(one paragraph - and i been taking months....duh)
love z
....duh)love z
Thanx for all your efforts of His faithfulness in you. I really needed the clarity of all the integration to bring everything into focus in such cohesive detail. The first time I heard you reference Talmudic Judaism and the leaven of the Pharisees, I knew it was the increased-resolution pixelation of all God had put in my heart from the Word by the Spirit. I really didn't know exactly how to collate it all. I knew almost every individual fact and others, but I wasn't really expending much energy to finalize it all. I was focused more on the Pre-Trib/Post-Trib aspect to denounce Dispensationalism and expose the Rapture as a contrived false hope. That alone has been daunting enough without facing down the Islamophobes about non-Hebrew modern Israel being the Eschaton source.
Anyway... I thought it might mean something to summarize how effective your labor of love has been in connecting the many dots on my page (papyrus?). Don't give up. Don't stop. Be encouraged and lifted up in the strong and mighty name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the One True and Living God Manifested in Flesh. To Him be all glory and honor and praise forever and ever.