Universal Laws of Heavenly Bodies

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Aug 18, 2011
971
7
0
The speed of light has been calculated based on the "said" distance between two planets. YOU CANNOT calculate the speed of light if you do not know the distance between two planets. How do they calculate the distance, they use the speed of light. Every internet page I have looked up comes up with similar type of data., It is circular reasoning.
No John your wrong the speed of light has been calculated here on earth where the two points were premeasured then the beam of light was shot through the tunnel of glass tube and they recorded the time it took for the beam of light to go from point A to point B.

Ever hear of the hadron collider?
 
J

JohnChingford2007

Guest
No John your wrong the speed of light has been calculated here on earth where the two points were premeasured then the beam of light was shot through the tunnel of glass tube and they recorded the time it took for the beam of light to go from point A to point B.

Ever hear of the hadron collider?
Well those using the Hadron Collider are now saying that they may have to revalue the theory of relativity because they have discovered objects moving FASTER than the speed of light.

CLICK HERE to watch
 
Feb 10, 2008
3,371
16
38
No John your wrong the speed of light has been calculated here on earth where the two points were premeasured then the beam of light was shot through the tunnel of glass tube and they recorded the time it took for the beam of light to go from point A to point B.

Ever hear of the hadron collider?
There have actually been many different methods for measuring the speed of light here on earth. It's not difficult, its easy to make a light source and many different kinds of sensors to measure with.
 
Aug 18, 2011
971
7
0
There have actually been many different methods for measuring the speed of light here on earth. It's not difficult, its easy to make a light source and many different kinds of sensors to measure with.
I know I know but try getting the dark ages group to come into the light. It's like pulling teeth out of a rhino! Actually that would be easier!
 
Aug 18, 2011
971
7
0
Well those using the Hadron Collider are now saying that they may have to revalue the theory of relativity because they have discovered objects moving FASTER than the speed of light.

CLICK HERE to watch
Well if they said that then OBVIOUSLY they can measure the speed of light then eh?
 
A

AgeofKnowledge

Guest


Earth's Rotation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_rotation

Strangelove's rotation:



As you can see, stragelove's head rotates exactly in the opposite direction as the earth. This is the reason for his loss of brains and constant nonsensical ramblings and false assertions.

The resulting stress on his brain due to +g-forces caused it to eek out of his skull over time and today we have a babbling moron left. Nature is cruel at times.
 
Aug 18, 2011
971
7
0
I shouldn't laugh but God help me that is just too funny...............ROFLMAO
 
A

AgeofKnowledge

Guest
The modern media is hyping that strange particles (specifically neutrinos) MAY travel faster than light based on some CERN data that came out where they created neutrinos and then measured their speed in an accelerator at slightly faster than the speed of light.

But other studies have showed they do not (specifically the world's scientists were able to solidly measure the speed of exotic particles including neutrinos from a supernova).

Strange Particles May Travel Faster than Light, Breaking Laws of Physics - Yahoo! News

So, of course, the world's scientists want independent confirmation because previous testing has shown they do NOT go faster than light and have already queried CERN asking to bring in independent detectors to perform independent checks to see if CERN results are even accurate. Most astrophysicsts are stating they are skeptical it will stand and will turn out to be a spurious effect that will disappear from the scientific literature.

In any event, CERN is only saying that a few exotic particles may travel faster than light based on their tests (which may or may not be accurate). We won't know for sure until independent testing is conducted.

If CERN's tests are verified, it doesn't in any way affect the trustworthiness of distance calculations based on the speed of light.


Well if they said that then OBVIOUSLY they can measure the speed of light then eh?
 
Aug 18, 2011
971
7
0
The modern media is hyping that strange particles (specifically neutrinos) MAY travel faster than light based on some CERN data that came out where they created neutrinos and then measured their speed in an accelerator at slightly faster than the speed of light.

But other studies have showed they do not (specifically the world's scientists were able to solidly measure the speed of exotic particles including neutrinos from a supernova).

Strange Particles May Travel Faster than Light, Breaking Laws of Physics - Yahoo! News

So, of course, the world's scientists want independent confirmation because previous testing has shown they do NOT go faster than light and have already queried CERN asking to bring in independent detectors to perform independent checks to see if CERN results are even accurate. Most astrophysicsts are stating they are skeptical it will stand and will turn out to be a spurious effect that will disappear from the scientific literature.

In any event, CERN is only saying that a few exotic particles may travel faster than light based on their tests (which may or may not be accurate). We won't know for sure until independent testing is conducted.

If CERN's tests are verified, it doesn't in any way affect the trustworthiness of distance calculations based on the speed of light.
Yeah I saw an excerpt on it on Discovery channel about 6 months ago they had several different views on the topic presented.
Personally I believe more in dimensional shift on etherial planes of existence with many dimensions being laid one on top the othe.kinda like a lake. The lake bed is one the substrata below it is another the water above it is another the air above that is another and so on up to and including 12 dimensions goes with scripture too.
The whole travelling ANYWHERE in the universe at only the speed of light is just gonna take too long so there has to be another way. I think I got that one sort of figured out but the mechanics of it are just way past any kind of math skills I posess.
You know what the fastest thing in the universe is?
 
Feb 23, 2011
1,708
13
0
Kewl thread. I'm wanting to see SL's 4 experiments, but Musker won't answer the question about space being something or nothing.
 
Aug 18, 2011
971
7
0
Huh?

(Job 26:9) He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it.

Theres no moon mentioned there.

Can you tell me if theres any scripture that describes a moving earth please. I wanna excuse away scripture too!
show me where it says it's stationary Doc.

You can't put forth even 1 peice of scripture that says the earth is stationary with it's regards to it's place in the heavens or the firmament for that matter.
Before you go using the firmament as literally stationary in space and time think hard bud!
 
J

JohnChingford2007

Guest
Well if they said that then OBVIOUSLY they can measure the speed of light then eh?
Nio Musk

What that means is that "using the theoretical speed of light speed" they have found objects moving FASTER than that speed.
 
Feb 23, 2011
1,708
13
0
Did you even ask I never saw that sorry!

Well they say its a vacuum what do you say?
I didn't ask. It was Strange. I'm just waiting for your response, since it seemed to be the condition for him presenting his 4 experiments to affirm geocentricity.
 
Aug 18, 2011
971
7
0
Lets look at creation then and see what we come up with!

Genesis 1


1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The big Bang? There was no light in the proto universe as enough matter had not accumulated yet to bring about the laws of physics as we know them today but as time progressed particles accumulated and coalesced (perhaps of God himself think of it as the ultimate gift of creation)also (mirrored in Jesus's crucifiction) eventually becomming matter and coalescing into ever greater masses of substance bringing about the laws of physics as we know them today
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Early universe of gases and micromatter(water) continuing the coalescent process into greater and greater masses eventually turning into proto stars
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
BOOM the first star ignites perhaps ours who knows for sure other than God at this stage of our infantile understanding of the universe and it's mechanics and laws
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Yep I know if I just finished building the early universe and turned on the lights I would be happy about what I had made wouldn't you
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
The beginning of marked time
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Lets build the Earth and the other planets in the early years of our solar system (dividing the waters from waters) but it is more of a referrance to the creation of the earth than the other planets
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
The waters under the firmament refers to the actual water of this planet trapped here in the formation of the planet and the creation of the atmosphere we have around our planet. There is still no oxygen yet because plants and haven't been invented yet that comes later but there are many gases trapped in the atmosphere due to the law of gravity which holds it to the surface of the planet along with much water as we know it
8And God called the firmament Heaven. (It says sky in the NIV)And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
The creation of land mass due to seismic upheaval and tectonic shift of the outer solidified layer of the planet bringing the earths crust to rise in certain areas and the creation of the first super continent Pangea to rise out of the primordial ocean. This is more than likely due to the pull of the moon on the much thinner early crust layer of the earth (it was closer to the earth in those days) and the possible cause of the wobble the earth has which is called procetional shift which is why we have our seasons the way we do in the northern and southern hemispheres and how we mark time with the astronomical calendar of the ages in the sky.
10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
The division of the super continent happens in this time to the 7 we know today and the beginnings of life start on the planet
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Even Darwinian theory jives with this we know from biological studies of history that plants came before animals they create or synthesis the oxygen we breathe today
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
The Evolution of plants into more complex forms of life
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
IN ONLY 3 DAYS AMAZING
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
More star systems coming into being within our own Galaxy become visible in the night sky as their stars light up and self ignite into the 12 houses of astronomical antiquity that we are all familiar with I.E. Taurus, Scorpio,Libra if you use the Babylonian Ideology or the 12 houses of Israel if your Jewish
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Stars and their systems in Space or the firmament of heaven
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
The sun and Moon and another referrance to the stars still being created just as they are today Though the chronology as it is written is questionable
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
The present cellestial order is put into permanent order (remember I said the moon used to be closer to the Earth than it is today)
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Sun for the day and Moon for the night
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
STILL AWESOMER:)
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
The first one celled creatures and their evolution from the primordial oceans into more complex organisms into every kind of creature that flys or swims
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Continued evolution ever moving forward according to divine order
22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. The evolution of animals from sea to land and their continued evolution towards mammals and all forms of life that we are familiar with today.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Done making the Animal Kingdom and he is pretty happy about it I would be too
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
The first Homogenous man Adam made in the image of his creator both male and female yet one
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
This passage would suggest that self propagation was possible before he made Eve if we are to take the chronology verbatum as it is written for Eve hasn't been created yet
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Adam was a vegetarian in the beginning So shall it be in the end of Days
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. Animals were vegetarians too apparently sin hadn't entered the world yet so eating meat was out of the question as of yet 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Well this is my brief overview of Creation I didn't copy and paste either it is from my own understanding and I am open to criticism and conjecture on it though I am sure latter will not be as prevalent
 
A

AgeofKnowledge

Guest
Yes. A demon running from an on fire for the Lord Christian.

Seriously, to construct a four-dimensional realm we need four dimension-defining lines, each line lying at right angles to the other dimension-defining lines. Let's call these dimensions "length," "width," "height," and "time." Such a realm is the realm of our existence. But because we cannot place ourselves beyond the four-say, in a fifth dimension where we could gain some perspective. We cannot picture all four simultaneously as we are limited to picturing only three. Now add more just for discussion. Fortunately, we can show them through equations.

The method we used in algebra to construct mathematically a realm of four space dimensions can also be used to build realms of virtually any number of dimensions. With five dimension-defining lines, each line at right angles to the other four, we can describe a five-dimensional world. With six such lines, we can mathematically describe a six-dimensional realm and so on. For each of these n-dimensional worlds we formulate geometrically, we can design algebraic expressions to describe what shapes, functions, and behaviors are possible for physical entities existing in those n dimensions.

You already know Muskoman that at the very heart of string theory is the proposal that the cosmos experienced a dimensional "split" at 10-Q seconds (a ten millionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second) after the creation event began with God's word. At that instant, the ten-dimensional expanding universe split into two: a six-dimensional piece that permanently ceased expanding and never produced matter, and a four-dimensional piece that became our dimensions of length, width, height, and time. That four-dimensional system continued to expand and eventually produced matter and stars.

The novice usually wonders why God limited our existence to just three space dimensions when we could have enjoyed some spectacular "advantages" by living in a few more (and the Bible suggests that someday us Christians will) but as it turns out, physical, carbon-based life cannot exist in a universe composed of any more (or fewer) than three expanding large dimensions of space. A home fit for our physical bodies can exist only in a space-time region composed of one large, uncurled dimension of time, three large, uncurled dimensions of space, and very tightly curled-up space dimensions.

But they aren't independently stacked as you suggest (though some multiverse theories posit branes in that manner). Here read this:

Calabi?Yau manifold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Yeah I saw an excerpt on it on Discovery channel about 6 months ago they had several different views on the topic presented.
Personally I believe more in dimensional shift on etherial planes of existence with many dimensions being laid one on top the othe.kinda like a lake. The lake bed is one the substrata below it is another the water above it is another the air above that is another and so on up to and including 12 dimensions goes with scripture too.
The whole travelling ANYWHERE in the universe at only the speed of light is just gonna take too long so there has to be another way. I think I got that one sort of figured out but the mechanics of it are just way past any kind of math skills I posess.
You know what the fastest thing in the universe is?
 
J

JohnChingford2007

Guest
How do they know it's faster if they didn't measure it?:confused:
What I stated previously is that the speed of light was calculated based on some preconceived assumptions of distances between 2 planets. These distances were also calculated using the data assuming that the speed of light was correct, ie both calculations assumed each others calculations were correct. Therefore speed of light has been assumed.

Based on that GIVEN speed of light (actually assumed), they have discovered objects which move FASTER than that " assumed" speed of light.

Can you see what I am saying now?
 
Aug 18, 2011
971
7
0
Yes. A demon running from an on fire for the Lord Christian.

Seriously, to construct a four-dimensional realm we need four dimension-defining lines, each line lying at right angles to the other dimension-defining lines. Let's call these dimensions "length," "width," "height," and "time." Such a realm is the realm of our existence. But because we cannot place ourselves beyond the four-say, in a fifth dimension where we could gain some perspective. We cannot picture all four simultaneously as we are limited to picturing only three. Now add more just for discussion. Fortunately, we can show them through equations.

The method we used in algebra to construct mathematically a realm of four space dimensions can also be used to build realms of virtually any number of dimensions. With five dimension-defining lines, each line at right angles to the other four, we can describe a five-dimensional world. With six such lines, we can mathematically describe a six-dimensional realm and so on. For each of these n-dimensional worlds we formulate geometrically, we can design algebraic expressions to describe what shapes, functions, and behaviors are possible for physical entities existing in those n dimensions.

You already know Muskoman that at the very heart of string theory is the proposal that the cosmos experienced a dimensional "split" at 10-Q seconds (a ten millionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second) after the creation event began with God's word. At that instant, the ten-dimensional expanding universe split into two: a six-dimensional piece that permanently ceased expanding and never produced matter, and a four-dimensional piece that became our dimensions of length, width, height, and time. That four-dimensional system continued to expand and eventually produced matter and stars.

The novice usually wonders why God limited our existence to just three space dimensions when we could have enjoyed some spectacular "advantages" by living in a few more (and the Bible suggests that someday us Christians will) but as it turns out, physical, carbon-based life cannot exist in a universe composed of any more (or fewer) than three expanding large dimensions of space. A home fit for our physical bodies can exist only in a space-time region composed of one large, uncurled dimension of time, three large, uncurled dimensions of space, and very tightly curled-up space dimensions.

But they aren't independently stacked as you suggest (though some multiverse theories posit branes in that manner). Here read this:

Calabi?Yau manifold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I believe at the moment of conception the spirit comes from a dimension of existence previously experienced by our spirit and is coalesced with the body into one divisible but whole unit in conception and at the moment of death cross over to the final dimension of existence after our second existence here on earth kind of like a fruit on a tree becoming ripe or an alloyl that has been created in a crucible. When we are deade if we follow the commandments given to us we evolve from grace bestowed on us for our faith in God to the heavenly alloy if we do not follow the commandments of Gods sacred Alchemy then when we die we are become like slag and thrown into the pit for all eternity.

Best way I can describe ite at 2:30 am AOK lol