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The Hebrew word translated "countenance" has to do with one's face rather
than their mind.

A freindly face is usually soft and mellow; whereas a hostile face is usually
accented with tight lips and glaring narrow eyes; and sometimes even bared
teeth. We call that kind of look "knives" --and if those kinds of looks could
kill; they would.
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That's definitely not what the proverb is talking about.

Unless you are infallible and speak for God ex cathedra; I'd advise not
saying things like that lest the hapless day arrives when you are forced to
eat your words. Instead, play it safe: allow yourself room for error so you
can retreat with dignity and avoid humiliation.
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The Hebrew word translated "countenance" has to do with one's face rather
than their mind.

A freindly face is usually soft and mellow; whereas a hostile face is usually
accented with tight lips and glaring narrow eyes; and sometimes even bared
teeth. We call that kind of look "knives" --and if those kinds of looks could
kill; they would.
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No Hebrew scholar agrees with you on that proverb.

It is speaking about one friend helping another be smarter and wiser.

H6440
פָּנִים
pânı̂ym
paw-neem'
Plural (but always used as a singular) of an unused noun (פָּנֶה pâneh, paw-neh'; from 6437); the face (as the part that turns); used in a great variety of applications (literally and figuratively); also (with prepositional prefix) as a preposition (before, etc.): - + accept, a (be-) fore (-time), against, anger, X as (long as), at, + battle, + because (of), + beseech, countenance, edge, + employ, endure, + enquire, face, favour, fear of, for, forefront (-part), form (-er time, -ward), from, front, heaviness, X him (-self), + honourable, + impudent, + in, it, look [-eth] (-s), X me, + meet, X more than, mouth, of, off, (of) old (time), X on, open, + out of, over against, the partial, person, + please, presence, prospect, was purposed, by reason, of, + regard, right forth, + serve, X shewbread, sight, state, straight, + street, X thee, X them (-selves), through (+ -out), till, time (-s) past, (un-) to (-ward), + upon, upside (+ down), with (-in, + stand), X ye, X you.
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Unless you are infallible and speak for God ex cathedra; I'd advise not
saying things like that lest the hapless day arrives when you are forced to
eat your words. Instead, play it safe: allow yourself room for error so you
can retreat with dignity and avoid humiliation.
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You posted something incorrect and I offered proper correction.

 

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You posted something incorrect and I offered proper correction.

There you go again; believing yourself infallible and speaking for God ex cathedra.
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There you go again; believing yourself infallible and speaking for God ex cathedra.
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I proved that you made an error by citing Hebrew scholars on the Proverb. Your interpretation is wrong.

 

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I proved that you made an error by citing Hebrew scholars on the Proverb.

Your Hebrew scholars are infallible? They speak for God ex cathedra? There's
no possible chance they could be mistaken; no chance at all?

It's commendable that you researched the issue. But I've been a student of
the Bible since 1968 via lectures, Sunday school classes, sermons, radio
Bible teachers, special classes, and books, plus 24 years of daily
participation on nearly forty internet forums consisting of both Jews and
Christians.

From all those years of study, participation, and discussion; I've learned the
hard way-- and you will too --that we should never assume credentials
and/or higher education make someone eo ipso 110% reliable and
unimpeachable. That goes for Barne's Notes too. Caveat Lector.
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Your Hebrew scholars are infallible?

They are correct in their interpretation, which all match. You are incorrect in your own, personal interpretation on that certain Proverb.

 

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They are correct in their interpretation

You sure about that? After all, their interpretation is their own personal
interpretation, which you are taking for granted is true because they are
educated.

Now, I'm guessing that you have no reliable means at your disposal to
solidly verify whether your educated sources are correct; and that's
important because many of Jesus' religious opponents were educated too; in
point of fact, they were the undisputed Bible experts of their day; and they
all matched.

your own, personal interpretation

I am very fortunate to live in the USA. We are not yet Orwellian here like in
Communist China and/or North Korea, but so far remain a society at liberty
to be critical thinkers instead of silenced and suppressed by a Big Brother.
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48» Did Jesus Wed And Have Children?

According to Isa 53:8, Jesus left behind no one to carry on his name.
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48» Did Jesus Wed And Have Children?

According to Isa 53:8, Jesus left behind no one to carry on his name.
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The verse says nothing at all about not having any children to carry on his name. What it does say is there was no one that would declare his innocence.

 

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49» Is 2Macc 12:48-46 A Useful Example?

The story tells of a Jewish military commander's attempt to atone for his
dead soldiers' pagan amulets which he believed is a crime against God for
Jews to wear. So Judas Maccabeus passed the hat among his surviving men
and collected about 2,000 silver drachmas which were sent to Jerusalem
intended for a sacrifice to expiate his dead men's sin so that it wouldn't
jeopardize their resurrection.

The covenant that Mose's people agreed upon with God as per Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy is very narrow. There are no
sacrifices stipulated in it for expiating the unforgiven sins that people take
with them over to the afterlife; ergo: the very Law that Judas sought to
appease makes it a crime to either amend, embellish, add to, revise, edit,
upgrade, update, or subtract from the covenant.

• Deut 4:2 . .You shall not add anything to what I command you or take
anything away from it, but keep the commandments of The Lord your God
that I enjoin upon you.

• Deut 5:32-33 . . Be careful, therefore, to do as The Lord, your God, has
commanded you, not turning aside to the right or to the left, but following
exactly the way prescribed for you by The Lord, your God,

• Deut 26:16 . . This day The Lord, your God, commands you to observe
these statutes and decrees. Be careful, then, to observe them with all your
heart and with all your soul.

Bottom line: What Judas did was just as pagan as the amulets that his men
were wearing when they died.

NOTE: Just because somebody's personal beliefs are recorded in the Bible
does not make their personal beliefs eo ipso truth. Judas believed it was
possible for living Jews to offer sacrifices for the unforgiven sins of deceased
Jews. Is it? No; absolutely not! Were it possible, then a procedure for that
purpose would be stipulated in the covenant.

Atonements for the dead fall into the category of sins of presumption; viz:
unauthorized behavior.

If 2Mcc 12:38-46 teaches anything at all it’s that the Israel of Judas
Maccabeus’ day was spiritually decadent-- just as decadent as it was in the
days of the Judges when every man did that which was right in his own eyes
rather than the eyes of The Lord their God.
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