Vaccination?

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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

  • Other,I will explain.


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JohnDB

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A link is always appreciated, it helps move the conversation forward, cheers to that.

It should always be a red flag when someone cites a media article instead of a scientific publication. Especially an article where the interviewee says they "believe", "think", or "reckon" that something is true. We can be fooled into accepting a bad ethos argument. Mainstream media is notorious for this tactic.

So where did those numbers come from? Surely they weren't just made up? Kind of, but they are taken out of context.

Here's a publication the article may have been alluding to: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475

But in that publication we see that both groups are in the ballpark of 5 per 100000 cases of myocarditis. The publication notes that myocarditis is actually substantially higher risk in the vaccinated group rather than the unvaccinated group by a risk factor of 3.24. That's not even the end of the story. A caveat for the publication was that the study was only run for 42 days around the vaccinated. This higher risk factor was only observed for short term effects, not long term. It is possible that long term heart-related effects are even higher for the vaccinated.

Continue your endeavour for truth, and don't get hung up when mainstream media says something without citing a scientific study. Even with a scientific study, look for methods and conclusions that might be in question.

And importantly, now that you've seen the media has not been forthright and honest in all cases, perhaps it is time to question everything that you have heard from the media.
I completely agree...

Most people don't know what a real scientific research report looks like. And not a one of them of the antivaxxer crowd has been a proper research paper.
First thing to look at is the credentials of the primary investigator and then the other names of credentialed scientists listed as co-authors. They should all be readily available on LinkedIn. And a general practitioner in rural Georgia is not sufficiently credentialed to do anything.

Then most researchers list their co-authored papers in their profiles...that is part of their resume that gets them a fellowship at a high paying University or more research funding...which pays their salaries.

Then look at the size of the study. How many patients? For this they must have complete de-identified patient histories. A study only having 24-40 patients is not sufficient to even show correlation for disease therapies. (Tens of thousands are needed) What usually happens with these is that a discredited research scientist or un-credentialed doctor has cherry picked a group of people who will get better anyway but give them something and then claim it's a miracle cure. And that's the most honest of the dishonest lot. Discredited researchers are the ones who fudged their numbers (like Fauci did) or lie or had a train wreck for their paperwork or something else unethical. (Like steal research)

Look at the medical facilities used for a study. Is there only one? Was the study done double blind? Who was the third party sponsor monitoring? Who did the shadow research...all research is repeated and has similar results to be considered as factual. Just because a research study is done in a reasonable fashion with standardized (and recognized) protocols it isn't reliable until repeated by someone else who confirms the research.

So... while everyone is quoting the Israeli study about natural immunity...the paper is a fraud. The Hospital knew nothing about the paper (and would be screaming about it) the co-authors are angry because their name has been fraudulently used in association with this paper...they never knew about it until after it hit the media. (Meaning their names were stolen) and the patient histories and profiles look fraudulent as well. (Illnesses and diseases have consistency in percentages according to geographic and genetic disposition...these patients were inconsistent for Israel)
Leaving us to conclude that the paper is a fraud made by someone who used to be a researcher but was tossed from the community like 5 day old fish.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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A link is always appreciated, it helps move the conversation forward, cheers to that.

It should always be a red flag when someone cites a media article instead of a scientific publication. Especially an article where the interviewee says they "believe", "think", or "reckon" that something is true. We can be fooled into accepting a bad ethos argument. Mainstream media is notorious for this tactic.

So where did those numbers come from? Surely they weren't just made up? Kind of, but they are taken out of context.

Here's a publication the article may have been alluding to: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475

But in that publication we see that both groups are in the ballpark of 5 per 100000 cases of myocarditis. The publication notes that myocarditis is actually substantially higher risk in the vaccinated group rather than the unvaccinated group by a risk factor of 3.24. That's not even the end of the story. A caveat for the publication was that the study was only run for 42 days around the vaccinated. This higher risk factor was only observed for short term effects, not long term. It is possible that long term heart-related effects are even higher for the vaccinated.

Continue your endeavour for truth, and don't get hung up when mainstream media says something without citing a scientific study. Even with a scientific study, look for methods and conclusions that might be in question.

And importantly, now that you've seen the media has not been forthright and honest in all cases, perhaps it is time to question everything that you have heard from the media.
If the risk factor is only that small percentage higher. It must make you wonder

Why are all the vaccinated getting this.

Of the 3.24 vaccinated How much of it was actually caused by the vaccine and not other circumstances.

to me the fact the vaccinated and vaccinated are so close in results. It would be negligible and uneventful for me to declare this is a major risk of a vaccine. would it not?
 
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If the risk factor is only that small percentage higher. It must make you wonder

Why are all the vaccinated getting this.

Of the 3.24 vaccinated How much of it was actually caused by the vaccine and not other circumstances.

to me the fact the vaccinated and vaccinated are so close in results. It would be negligible and uneventful for me to declare this is a major risk of a vaccine. would it not?

They are hiding and altering the factual data. They also are in control of worldwide media.
The Beast is speaking and making it known that soon,
no one will buy or sell without it's New Improved and Better then Ever Technology - YEAH - the Mark.
 
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They are hiding and altering the factual data. They also are in control of worldwide media.
The Beast is speaking and making it known that soon,
no one will buy or sell without it's New Improved and Better then Ever Technology - YEAH - the Mark.
This has nothing to do with the mark my friend

The mark is about finances and the ability to by or sell. Not the vaccine that helps with viruses.
 

Duckybill

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They are hiding and altering the factual data. They also are in control of worldwide media.
The Beast is speaking and making it known that soon,
no one will buy or sell without it's New Improved and Better then Ever Technology - YEAH - the Mark.
I strongly agree! The Media is a pack of Satanic liars.
 

Duckybill

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This has nothing to do with the mark my friend
Really? How do you know that?
The mark is about finances and the ability to by or sell. Not the vaccine that helps with viruses.
So you would accept a medical chip implant in your right hand?
Revelation 13:16-17 (KJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark IN THEIR RIGHT HAND, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
 
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This has nothing to do with the mark my friend

The mark is about finances and the ability to by or sell. Not the vaccine that helps with viruses.
Good morning Brother& Friend & Co-Worker in the Gospel,

This is who is directing Big Pharma, Bill Gates, Media, World Leaders, the UN and all who follow them

And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan,
the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
 

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You fell for all the ignorant ads about horses...

Ivermectin has been given to tens of millions of people through the years safely. It is safer than taking aspirin, FDA words not mine. It won the founder a Nobel prize.

The frontline meds have been given successfully to hundreds of thousands of people. My family and dozens of others I know personally received the meds and recovered from COVID quickly.

Being a cancer survivor with a low immunity, COVID hit me hard for about two days. After receiving the meds, I was 100% in six hours. No joke. They work.
It is a plague of the ignorant who think they are “educated”, not discerning the difference between education and indoctrination.

My BIL in Florida was twice admitted to the hospital with Covid pneumonia, before my sisters Dr was able to prescribe him Ivermectin. And he quickly fully recovered.

Not to mention the incredible results the whole country of India had on Ivermectin.

Truly ignorant for people to call a “horse medicine”.
 
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John146

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This has nothing to do with the mark my friend

The mark is about finances and the ability to by or sell. Not the vaccine that helps with viruses.
See vaccine card that will eventually an implanted chip to make it easy. While the chip may not be the mark of the beast, it certainly is setting the stage.
 
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See vaccine card that will eventually an implanted chip to make it easy. While the chip may not be the mark of the beast, it certainly is setting the stage.
imho - i believe the Stage is fully ready, the actors are doing great in the rehearsal on Media and Politics.

They have this One Big Problem = called HS7 that get's in there way.

Look at this = REHEARSAL = RE HEAR SAL = The act of practicing in preparation for a public performance.

Where else was there a RE HEAR SAL ???

Genesis = in the Garden, the Main Actor - the Serpent

Serpent had Eve Re-Hear-Say - changed the Script of what God did say
 

JohnDB

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As the IT experts have claimed all along... Facebook and Twitter were both complicit in Russia and Iran's propaganda campaign to shape public opinion concerning vaccinations. The whistleblower gave them practically a library detailing how they have tried to rule the world for financial gain. They cared nothing about anyone but themselves...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/06/fac...y-lawmakers-consumers-and-even-investors.html
 
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Survival rates apply to infections. But the vaccines were not supposed to kill anyone. So there should have been ZERO vaccine deaths. Do you get it?
What I get, is [[EVERY Vaccine]] introduced has caused DEATH and other Health Related Issues until they worked out the kinks.
It's not like this is NEW!
Unless, you're 12 years old and living in Mommy's basement.
 
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As the IT experts have claimed all along... Facebook and Twitter were both complicit in Russia and Iran's propaganda campaign to shape public opinion concerning vaccinations. The whistleblower gave them practically a library detailing how they have tried to rule the world for financial gain. They cared nothing about anyone but themselves...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/06/fac...y-lawmakers-consumers-and-even-investors.html
You can add China to the list as well
 
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I'd like to see what the research is on Invermectin. Of course, it really is basically a drug for horses, but I would like to find studies, on whether it works to stop COVID, or is it just another anti-vax lie.
you do not know what you are talking about but that will not bother you since you announced to the world you have me on ignore, which you did because I called you out on your behavior

it is NOT just for horses. ivermectin has been in used and approved for humans since 1975...which I posted a few pages back

you really are not the encyclopedia of all knowledge you imagine that you are
 
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Survival rates apply to infections. But the vaccines were not supposed to kill anyone. So there should have been ZERO vaccine deaths. Do you get it?

And any figures you quote will be off by at least 90%. So if 10 deaths are reported that represents 100 deaths. Now kindly do the math with the full knowledge that only the USA and EU are actually reporting (and under-reporting) deaths.

Let's take this OFFICIAL report:
26,041 Deaths 2,448,362 Injuries Following COVID Shots in European Union’s Database as Slovenia Suspends J&J Shot After Death of 20-Year-Old Student

Those numbers actually represent 260,000 deaths.

'For instance, in today’s Mercola.com newsletter there is an article summarizing Dr. Mercola’s interview with Dr. Vladimir Zelenko. In that intervew Dr. Zelenko states a common refrain about VAERS reporting:
“If you look at the 2009 Harvard study on the VAERS system, they said only 1% of events are actually reported. So, OK … whatever the number is, it’s not 6,000. Maybe only 10% are being reported. I don’t know. But definitely it’s being underreported.”
Mercola, just a few paragraphs below that, emphasizes the point:
“Studies have indicated it could be as low as 1%.6,7”'
https://gnigh-66270.medium.com/vaers-underreporting-and-the-mysterious-1-5b4f9b109145
BTW, MERCOLA IS A CERTIFIED QUACK!

He is a Homiopathic prescriber.
He believes smoking Hemp is good for joint pain.

Do YOU SMOKE HEMP and follow Marcola's advice?


The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation ...
https://www.nytimes.com › 2021/07/24 › technology › jo...

Aug 27, 2021 — Dr. Mercola, 67, an osteopathic physician in Cape Coral, Fla., has long been a subject of criticism and government regulatory actions for ...


Dr. Mercola: Visionary or Quack? - Chicago Magazine
https://www.chicagomag.com › February-2012 › Dr-Jose...

Two soft knocks and a person instantly recognizable to most any true believer in alternative medicine appears. The doctor is Joseph Mercola, the face, the voice ...


He is a SHAMAN, MEDICINE MAN, VOODOO WITCH DOCTOR!!

That is what [alternative medicine] practioners have been known as for Eons!
 
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you do not know what you are talking about but that will not bother you since you announced to the world you have me on ignore, which you did because I called you out on your behavior

it is NOT just for horses. ivermectin has been in used and approved for humans since 1975...which I posted a few pages back

you really are not the encyclopedia of all knowledge you imagine that you are
Did you hear that from the Horses Mouth???

i could not resist
 
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