Vaccination?

[mailmandan]

BLM organizer says de Blasio vaccine mandate weaponized against black community

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-mandate-weaponized-black-community?_amp=true

Newsome warned that her group could respond with an "uprising" similar to the ones that followed the death of George Floyd in the summer of 2020.

“We’re putting this city on notice that your mandate will not be another racist social distance practice. Black people are not going to stand by, or you will see another uprising. And that is not a threat. That is a promise,” she said. “The vaccination passport is not a free passport to racism.”

Kimberly Bernard, the co-founder of the Black Women’s March, made a similar claim that COVID-19 mandates are being used to target black people and other minorities.

 

[John146]

If this COVID thing and the vaccine debate keeps us from spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ, then the devil’s desire is accomplished.

Vaccinated or unvaccinated, keep up the good fight of faith as long as we have breath.

 

[TheLearner]

Some believe that getting vaccinated for the covid shows fear and a lack of faith and some believe that since GOD Is almighty,getting the vaccine even If It kills them shows love for their neighbor protecting them from the covid and GOD will look at their motivation for getting the shot.JESUS died for us and love covers a multitude of sins.

informational:

Leviticus 14:37-41
37 He is to examine the mold on the walls, and if it has greenish or reddish depressions that appear to be deeper than the surface of the wall, 38 the priest shall go out the doorway of the house and close it up for seven days. 39 On the seventh day the priest shall return to inspect the house. If the mold has spread on the walls, 40 he is to order that the contaminated stones be torn out and thrown into an unclean place outside the town. 41 He must have all the inside walls of the house scraped and the material that is scraped off dumped into an unclean place outside the town.

Outline
The Laws of Cleanness (11:1–15:33).

1. Clean and Unclean Food (11:1–47).
2. Purification after Childbirth (12:1–8).
3. Regulations about Infectious Skin Diseases (13:1–46).
4. Regulations about Mildew (13:47–59).
5. Cleansing from Infectious Skin Diseases (14:1–32).
6. Cleansing from Mildew (14:33–57).
7. Discharges Causing Uncleanness (15:1–33)

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/applied-ot/leviticus/outline.html

wife will boot me off soon.

 

[TheLearner]

The vaccine won't kill you. I got one, not because I wanted to especially but because I needed one to do something I wanted to do. It made my arm sore for a few days but I'm still here. The FDA has approved one of 'em though I can't remember which one at the moment.

It's not a lack of faith if you get one. If you go down that road, you might as well say it's a lack of faith to wash your hands, cook your food, drink plenty of water or any other common sense measures that people take to stay safe. Paul told Timothy to drink a little wine for his frequent ailments; he didn't say buck up and have faith and it'll be alright.

I know of some people personally that did not get the shots and died when they got a mild strange of the virus and died.
I also, know of some who had the shots and got a worse strain and beat it.

 

[TheLearner]

"
It’s okay to have an incorrect scientific hypothesis. But when new data proves it wrong, you have to adapt. Unfortunately, many elected leaders and public health officials have held on far too long to the hypothesis that natural immunity offers unreliable protection against covid-19 — a contention that is being rapidly debunked by science.

More than 15 studies have demonstrated the power of immunity acquired by previously having the virus. A 700,000-person study from Israel two weeks ago found that those who had experienced prior infections were 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated. This affirmed a June Cleveland Clinic study of health-care workers (who are often exposed to the virus), in which none who had previously tested positive for the coronavirus got reinfected. The study authors concluded that “individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.” And in May, a Washington University study found that even a mild covid infection resulted in long-lasting immunity.
"https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/

I have had the virus many times and got the shots too. The worse side effect from the shots I got was a floater in my eye.

 

[TheLearner]

In the case of this vaccination propaganda time i wouldn't say christians lack faith
More not thinking for themselves and falling prey. Not seeing the signs and reading the bible. No awareness just blindly swimming with the flow. No caution and no awareness.
When the enemy comes to give his mark some day, the ppl who got the vaccine will be the first to take the mark too.
This isnt about a vaccine for a deadly illness. Its total control and moving towards NWO. Digitalising everything and knowing everything about everyone.

Demi dear, that is all nonsense. Pray for wisdom please. Those who publish prophecy predictions have been wrong so many times it is not funny.

Examples:
https://blog.rose-publishing.com/2016/03/16/14-people-accused-of-being-the-anti-christ/
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/the-7-most-popular-contenders-for-the-antichrist/
https://www.amazon.com/Naming-Antichrist-History-American-Obsession/dp/0195109791
https://www.amazon.com/Anti-Christ-...849f2&pd_rd_wg=T1a5Z&pd_rd_i=0231119771&psc=1
https://www.northvalleychurch.org/blog/post/the-antichrist-in-culture-and-christianity
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/the-7-most-popular-contenders-for-the-antichrist/
https://www.cracked.com/article_16970_5-world-leaders-who-were-accused-being-antichrist.html
There is a long list somewhere --- maybe you can find it. My wife will soon kick me off the computer.
https://blog.rose-publishing.com/2016/03/16/14-people-accused-of-being-the-anti-christ/

 

[TheLearner]

There's a huge difference between a vaccine and taking the mark of the beast. Taking a vaccine in no way means that that person would also take the mark.

Maybe there are some people who blindly took the vaccine because they were told to; this type of individual might take the mark.

Well said, friend. As you may know the mark is a branding like done to horses on the forehead or hand. I forget which, the mark on one means a slave on the other means a military solider loyal to a general.

 

[TheLearner]

That would be true 'if' you believe those in Christ will forsake Him. But thankfully we have a sure hope. Christ has told us he will never lose any the Father has given him. Amen.

Mark 13:22
Easy-to-Read Version
False messiahs and false prophets will come and do miracles and wonders,[a] trying to fool the people God has chosen, if that is possible.

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Verse 22
That they may lead astray (προς το αποπλαναιν). With a view to leading off (προς and the infinitive). Matthew 24:24 (NAS)

24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:24 has ωστε αποπλασθα, so as to lead off."
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/rwp/mark-13.html


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[TheLearner]

If you take a look at the second greatest commandment, it actually says to love your neighbor as yourself. If you take the vaccine, motivated by love for your neighbor, knowing you can possibly die, then you didn't fulfill the second greatest commandment.

People who love themselves don't take unnecessary risks that can result in severe bodily harm or death. Furthermore, modern vaccines owe their existence to the research and development of stem cells from murdered babies.

I find it hard to see how injecting that poison into your veins is showing love to the memory of a murdered innocent.

The vaccine is about self-preservation because you don't want to get sick and die. The people who use the vaccine as a chance to humble-brag and virtue-signal actually make me a bit sick to my stomach.

I hear that what is highlighted by me is false, what is your proof friend?

here are the facts from your viewpoint I found
https://www.fda.gov/media/146305/download
https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...not-contain-aborted-fetal-cells-idUSL1N2LU1T9
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/me...vaccine/VaccineDevelopment_FetalCellLines.pdf


https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...not-contain-aborted-fetal-cells-idUSL1N2LU1T9

 

[TheLearner]

Stopped at post 20, if there is an issue anyone wants to discuss with me, please start a thread on just that subject. This thread is getting too long for me to read through.

 

[shittim]

"
It’s okay to have an incorrect scientific hypothesis. But when new data proves it wrong, you have to adapt. Unfortunately, many elected leaders and public health officials have held on far too long to the hypothesis that natural immunity offers unreliable protection against covid-19 — a contention that is being rapidly debunked by science.

More than 15 studies have demonstrated the power of immunity acquired by previously having the virus. A 700,000-person study from Israel two weeks ago found that those who had experienced prior infections were 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated. This affirmed a June Cleveland Clinic study of health-care workers (who are often exposed to the virus), in which none who had previously tested positive for the coronavirus got reinfected. The study authors concluded that “individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.” And in May, a Washington University study found that even a mild covid infection resulted in long-lasting immunity.
"https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/09/15/natural-immunity-vaccine-mandate/

I have had the virus many times and got the shots too. The worse side effect from the shots I got was a floater in my eye.

So far......

 

[Ruby123]

Are they giving kids the vaccine in America? Over here they are up to the five year olds and above.

 

[shittim]

I guess I am not up to date on this, I did post the video of the baby paralyzed from the neck down after mom allowed it to be given the pfizer poison.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are they giving kids the vaccine in America? Over here they are up to the five year olds and above.

I do not think so. And I would not recommend it.

 

[Gideon300]

How do you know that?

This is exactly what many of the frontline Drs and nurses are saying. That it is a lie that it is the unvaccinated that are being hospitalized.

And if we look at some of THE most vaccinated countries on earth, they are having an explosion of cases and hospitalizations.

Lies, damned lies and statistics............. The Delta mutation is far more contagious than the original COVID. Before my state (Victoria) woke up to the extent of the COVID problem initially, hospitals were swamped and 800 people died. There was no vaccine then. There have been close to 1200 deaths in total since the outbreak began. Right now, thousands of people have been infected via just one case that came in on an overseas flight. Deaths are starting to increase again.

Us your brain. If 100% of the population is vaccinated then 100% of hospital cases will have been vaccinated. As raw statistic, it means nothing. None of the vaccine suppliers claim 100% immunity. There is also a lag from the jab to the time antibodies peak. So yes, some vaccinated people may get the virus. I can assure you that 100% of unvaccinated people who come in contact with an infected person will catch it themselves.

Don't tell me a about natural immunity. You have to survive to have that. And don't tell me about population control. Letting the virus run wild will kill more than vaccinating people. It will be free as well. What's not to like? Darwinism at its best.

I visited a good friend in hospital earlier this year. She was on a ventilator for a non COVID illness. Not so long ago, there were not enough ventilators to help every patient. She was fortunate. And you don't want to be on a ventilator anyway. Converstations tend to be one sided when you have a tube shoved down your throat.

I don't care if people don't want to get vaccinated. It's their right. I do object to fake news, misleading statistics, conspiracy theories and downright lies being spread to deter people from choosing to be vaccinated.

 

[Gideon300]

I guess I am not up to date on this, I did post the video of the baby paralyzed from the neck down after mom allowed it to be given the pfizer poison.

How old was the child? None of the vaccines have been approved for very young children. There is a reason for that. Calling it poison is wrong. Millions of people would be dead if that was the case, and you know it.

 

[shittim]

Demi777 said:
In the case of this vaccination propaganda time i wouldn't say christians lack faith
More not thinking for themselves and falling prey. Not seeing the signs and reading the bible. No awareness just blindly swimming with the flow. No caution and no awareness.
When the enemy comes to give his mark some day, the ppl who got the vaccine will be the first to take the mark too.
This isnt about a vaccine for a deadly illness. Its total control and moving towards NWO. Digitalising everything and knowing everything about everyone.

Thank you Demi! You are on the right course.
Bless you

 

[shittim]

How old was the child? None of the vaccines have been approved for very young children. There is a reason for that. Calling it poison is wrong. Millions of people would be dead if that was the case, and you know it.

the video has been posted.

 

[PennEd]

Just an insanely great resource, all in one place. I'll post the links, and some of the highlights, but I defy any pro vaxxer to watch this and rebut it:

PART I: “COVID DEATHS” & MORTALITY
1. The survival rate of “Covid” is over 99%. Government medical experts went out of their way to underline, from the beginning of the pandemic, that the vast majority of the population are not in any danger from Covid.

Almost all studies on the infection-fatality ratio (IFR) of Covid have returned results between 0.04% and 0.5%. Meaning Covid’s survival rate is at least 99.5%.

2. There has been NO unusual excess mortality. The press has called 2020 the UK’s “deadliest year since world war two”, but this is misleading because it ignores the massive increase in the population since that time. A more reasonable statistical measure of mortality is Age-Standardised Mortality Rate (ASMR):
By this measure, 2020 isn’t even the worst year for mortality since 2000, In fact since 1943 only 9 years have been better than 2020.
Similarly, in the US the ASMR for 2020 is only at 2004 levels:

3. “Covid death” counts are artificially inflated. Countries around the globe have been defining a “Covid death” as a “death by any cause within 28/30/60 days of a positive test”.
Healthcare officials from Italy, Germany, the UK, US, Northern Ireland and others have all admitted to this practice:

4. The vast majority of covid deaths have serious comorbidities. In March 2020, the Italian government published statistics showing 99.2% of their “Covid deaths” had at least one serious comorbidity.
These included cancer, heart disease, dementia, Alzheimer’s, kidney failure and diabetes (among others). Over 50% of them had three or more serious pre-existing conditions.
This pattern has held up in all other countries over the course of the “pandemic”. An October 2020 FOIA request to the UK’s ONS revealed less than 10% of the official “Covid death” count at that time had Covid as the sole cause of death.

5. Average age of “Covid death” is greater than the average life expectancy. The average age of a “Covid death” in the UK is 82.5 years. In Italy it’s 86. Germany, 83. Switzerland, 86. Canada, 86. The US, 78, Australia, 82.
In almost all cases the median age of a “Covid death” is higher than the national life expectancy.
As such, for most of the world, the “pandemic” has had little-to-no impact on life expectancy. Contrast this with the Spanish flu, which saw a 28% drop in life expectancy in the US in just over a year. [source]

This is just one small part of the incredible job this site has done in putting in one place most of the info you need to combat the deceptions and lies we are being told.

I would IMPLORE you to read the whole article. SHARE it with everyone you know, and all your social media.

30 facts you NEED to know: Your Covid Cribsheet – OffGuardian (off-guardian.org)

 

[Runningman]

I hear that what is highlighted by me is false, what is your proof friend?

here are the facts from your viewpoint I found
https://www.fda.gov/media/146305/download
https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...not-contain-aborted-fetal-cells-idUSL1N2LU1T9
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/me...vaccine/VaccineDevelopment_FetalCellLines.pdf


https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...not-contain-aborted-fetal-cells-idUSL1N2LU1T9

Look closely at what I said:

"Furthermore, modern vaccines owe their existence to the research and development of stem cells from murdered babies."

Notice I didn't say that all modern vaccines contain stem cells or were necessarily derived directly from stem cells. I said that modern vaccines exist because of research and development on stem cells.

My question is, should vaccines that were not directly derived from stem cells, but were developed using knowledge of stem cells, be a moral of ethical problem for a Christian?