Voddie Baucham: The World, the Flesh, and the Devil

[Marano]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaj...pahvzgry04cchbygxfpytmy1r00k.1465701768454900

So in this video Voddie talks about Ephesians 2 and how we are to take notice of all our enemies as christians. What do you guys think?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Obviously not all our enemies are Christians.

 

[Marano]

Obviously not all our enemies are Christians.

The world, the flesh and the devil.

 

[preacher4truth]

Obviously not all our enemies are Christians.

I don't think that is what he was implying.

 

[dcontroversal]

Obviously not all our enemies are Christians.

I don't think he meant that, but rather....

AS Christians we are to take note of our enemies........I think

 

[miknik5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaj...pahvzgry04cchbygxfpytmy1r00k.1465701768454900

So in this video Voddie talks about Ephesians 2 and how we are to take notice of all our enemies as christians. What do you guys think?

Who is voddie?

 

[Marano]

Who is voddie?

He's a preacher in Texas from California.

 

[joaniemarie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaj...pahvzgry04cchbygxfpytmy1r00k.1465701768454900

So in this video Voddie talks about Ephesians 2 and how we are to take notice of all our enemies as christians. What do you guys think?

Hi Marano.,, I listened to Pastor Voddie Baucham and agreed with much of what he said. We are totally depraved born in sin because of Adam all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We are not sinners because we sin...., we sin because we ARE sinners. We need the Good News of the Gospel of grace and truth that Jesus Christ brings. We need to be born again of the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is the One who convicts the world of sin. I was raised on the preaching of men like Pastor Voddie and got a foundation in many of the important doctrines of the Bible. The doctrine and attributes of God, of Christ, the Holy Spirit. the inspiration of the Scriptures.. about angels and satan., of man., of sin. The doctrine of salvation, The security of the believer., the local church., of future things. So many of these doctrines are not known by the average Christian and need to be taught.

Pastor Boddie sounds like a sound preacher and although I disagree with him on some things., we agree on the foundation truths. I wish more people would get sound doctrine from preachers like this. Where we differ in the message is I believe the Holy Spirit will convict the world of sin and He is able to do that job without me preaching hell fire and damnation. Until someone is convicted of sin they are not going to be saved by my instilling fear and dread anymore than if I use any other worldly wise words. It takes the Holy Spirit to convict a person. (not me)

I've found that learning about Jesus as I've been a Christian has shown me just how depraved us humans are without Him and every day His grace allows me to move forward in Him. No dependence on me but only on Him. His righteousness was a gift.

My mission as a believer is to tell about John 3:16 That God so loved the world that He gave His only Son... that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. That Jesus is the only Way, Truth and Life. That all hope is only IN Jesus Christ. There is no other way given unto men whereby they must be saved. No other way to God but through Jesus Christ. He is the Door. All our righteousnesses are just like filthy rags with no value because only Jesus has value before God. That is why He sent His only Son.

Also., I don't believe we still have a sin nature anymore. I believe we have an "old manner of living" yes but it is an old manner and something we learned from the time we were born. We walked in this world as unsaved people and learned to depend on ourselves and the world. But when Jesus came., we were given a new nature. Old things have passed away behold all things have become new.

The old man is dead but the old habits of life need to be replaced with a new manner of the life of the Spirit. And Jesus gave us all those things when we got saved. It's our daily living to work "out" what Jesus worked in us. "work out your own salvation with all seriousness of mind and heart" Not work "for" but work "out"

It is God who works in us to will and do to of His good pleasure. Again., all glory goes to Christ. He is the Author and Finisher of our faith. Thanks for the video it was a good message.

 

[samuel23]

Hi Joan, I don't think a person can be truly saved unless that person knows that they are truly lost, lost means that if you die you go into hell and later the lake of fire. The Holy Spirit will convince a lost person that they are headed for hell and will even emphasize the horribleness of hell. Jesus taught very clearly how horrible hell is. The amazing love of God becomes more clear when we realize what God is saving us from.

 

[joaniemarie]

Hi Joan, I don't think a person can be truly saved unless that person knows that they are truly lost, lost means that if you die you go into hell and later the lake of fire. The Holy Spirit will convince a lost person that they are headed for hell and will even emphasize the horribleness of hell. Jesus taught very clearly how horrible hell is. The amazing love of God becomes more clear when we realize what God is saving us from.

Yes, I used to believe in first telling about hell fire and damnation too. But as I've gotten older and see the desperation of people I've come in contact with., I've been convicted to tell of the love and grace of God in Christ. The people are already a mess and without hope in life. They already have no one who loves them and no chance of changing. So I tell them Jesus came for people exactly like that. That He loves us in all our mess and failures. That He can take us from nothing and make us into something.

Yes., hell is real and yes Jesus preached about it. He preached about many things but what comes out most to me is the Love of God. Jesus said if we have seen Him we have seen the Father. I see the love of God in Christ. And I hope people can see the love of Christ in me.

 

[samuel23]

I suppose that what people really want is to believe that the Creator loves them, I understand that, however there is a watered down version of the gospel that teaches that God loves you and wants to help you have a better life while ignoring why Jesus really died, to save us from eternal damnation

 

[joaniemarie]

I suppose that what people really want is to believe that the Creator loves them, I understand that, however there is a watered down version of the gospel that teaches that God loves you and wants to help you have a better life while ignoring why Jesus really died, to save us from eternal damnation

Yes, That is why John 3:16-17 tells us For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son., that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him should be saved. Telling about the Love of God in Christ is not a watered down gospel., it is the Gospel.

 

[posthuman]

Who is voddie?

he's a reformed, Biblically sound, intellectual preacher who particularly pushes apologetics and a faith that is strengthened in the mind and heart, apart from emotion. he's firmly against WOF, prosperity and false charisma, and often exposes paganism and worldly mindset in common thinking in the church. he proclaims the deity of Christ and has a very high view of scripture, believing it all and taking what is literal quite literally, and what he understands as figurative, quite figuratively.

i remember this sermon; when i discovered Voddie i listened to dozens of his sermons; practically everything i could find. he is not saying that everyone is our enemy as Christians; he's making a point of recognizing that our enemies are the world, the flesh, and the devil: the lust of the eyes, the flesh, and the pride of life, principalities and powers of the air -- not people. remember, his teaching is almost always strongly focused on apologetics, which is stressing sound doctrine and demolishing arguments against it; these are cerebral, intangible things, which take their place in the heart and mind, and the heart and mind is where our battle takes place. he's big on defending sound doctrine and big on demolishing false doctrine.

 

[posthuman]

Yes, That is why John 3:16-17 tells us For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son., that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him should be saved. Telling about the Love of God in Christ is not a watered down gospel., it is the Gospel.

i think one of his major points in this sermon is that a gospel that rejects original sin and ignores the evil influence of the world and its philosophies - which we have all been brought up indoctrinated in, before coming to a knowledge of Christ - is a 'watered down' version of the gospel.

a gospel that like he puts it, teaches "that we don't need to be saved; we need to be helped" is 'watered down' in that respect: it's not come to terms with reality; the reality that we are born depraved, totally under the influence of the prince of the power of the air, loving wickedness and rejecting light. he's not so much 'preaching brimstone' i think as he is preaching that we were dead in sin, enemies of God and willfully blind to His light, rejecting it and reaching for darkness -- until God in His grace quickened us.

this is exactly what Ephesians says -- and rather than 'water down' this message so that it says only that God showed us mercy, ignoring how desperately we need this, he's magnifying the radically depraved nature out of which we were redeemed, which magnifies the glory of God in doing this in us.

((note: arminians will not like this guy))

 

[posthuman]

Yes, I used to believe in first telling about hell fire and damnation too. But as I've gotten older and see the desperation of people I've come in contact with., I've been convicted to tell of the love and grace of God in Christ. The people are already a mess and without hope in life. They already have no one who loves them and no chance of changing. So I tell them Jesus came for people exactly like that. That He loves us in all our mess and failures. That He can take us from nothing and make us into something.

something Voddie is fond of saying is that "there's a ditch on both sides of the road"

it's as much a fault to focus on condemnation and sin without bringing the good news of His grace as it is to preach love and a salvation that doesn't recognize or admit what it is we're being saved from.

does that make sense?

i mean, it can be easy to look at someone dead in sin and say that's OK, that's OK, God loves you and forgives all this -- but it's closer to the truth to say that's not OK, but God loves you regardless, and wants to transform you, renew your mind and heart, so that you turn away from all this and towards Him. but like you are saying - the ditch on the other side of the road is to look down your nose at people who are doing evil and talk to them as though they need to clean their lives up before they can even think about God loving them.

amen! -- but what does it mean to tell someone that God loves them who doesn't believe there's any reason God should not love them? what's forgiveness without redemption? & Voddie is preaching that redemption is also God's work -- good news, not works-salvation.

the gospel isn't just that God loves us - love alone doesn't save us. and it's not even just that the Son took our sin upon Himself and made atonement at the cross, nor even that He raised Himself up from the grave for our redemption. it's this, and the fact that we needed Him to do this: there was no other way, because all have gone astray, none seek Him, and by works no one will be justified.

 

[Marano]

he's a reformed, Biblically sound, intellectual preacher who particularly pushes apologetics and a faith that is strengthened in the mind and heart, apart from emotion. he's firmly against WOF, prosperity and false charisma, and often exposes paganism and worldly mindset in common thinking in the church. he proclaims the deity of Christ and has a very high view of scripture, believing it all and taking what is literal quite literally, and what he understands as figurative, quite figuratively.

i remember this sermon; when i discovered Voddie i listened to dozens of his sermons; practically everything i could find. he is not saying that everyone is our enemy as Christians; he's making a point of recognizing that our enemies are the world, the flesh, and the devil: the lust of the eyes, the flesh, and the pride of life, principalities and powers of the air -- not people. remember, his teaching is almost always strongly focused on apologetics, which is stressing sound doctrine and demolishing arguments against it; these are cerebral, intangible things, which take their place in the heart and mind, and the heart and mind is where our battle takes place. he's big on defending sound doctrine and big on demolishing false doctrine.

You described him bretter than I could.

 

[joaniemarie]

i think one of his major points in this sermon is that a gospel that rejects original sin and ignores the evil influence of the world and its philosophies - which we have all been brought up indoctrinated in, before coming to a knowledge of Christ - is a 'watered down' version of the gospel.

a gospel that like he puts it, teaches "that we don't need to be saved; we need to be helped" is 'watered down' in that respect: it's not come to terms with reality; the reality that we are born depraved, totally under the influence of the prince of the power of the air, loving wickedness and rejecting light. he's not so much 'preaching brimstone' i think as he is preaching that we were dead in sin, enemies of God and willfully blind to His light, rejecting it and reaching for darkness -- until God in His grace quickened us.

this is exactly what Ephesians says -- and rather than 'water down' this message so that it says only that God showed us mercy, ignoring how desperately we need this, he's magnifying the radically depraved nature out of which we were redeemed, which magnifies the glory of God in doing this in us.

((note: arminians will not like this guy))

It takes the Holy Spirit's conviction on any side of the subject of salvation for there to be any revelation. What a person don't know when they first come into His light ., they will after they get there after the Holy Spirit brings each person in. Salvation in Christ is unlike anything we have ever encountered in life. How can a human being accept full forgiveness for all they have ever done without believing there is something to do by paying back or making restitution for?

It takes the Holy Spirit to also show the self righteous person who believes they are better than someone else who sins worse than they do. Or even when a person doesn't accept the concept of "sin" and believes it to be a religious way to control guilt ridden weak people in a society. So the idea of hell is also to these people a way for fearful individuals to be controlled and herded around by smarter shysters who want their money and or allegiance all in the name of God.

The truth is Jesus meets us exactly where we are and the Holy Spirit is quite able to minister the truth of salvation to that person so that salvation is full and complete and that person is born again. It's all a work of the Holy Spirit as we believers are used to be sensitive to the Holy Spirit's leading in the matter of each person we come in contact with.

Somehow we are allowed to be a part of this process as we walk among fellow human beings on earth.

 

[notmyown]

Marano, thank you!

Voddie is one of my favorite preachers, and i hadn't heard that one yet.

 

[samuel23]

Hi Joan, you say a lot of positive things, however some of what you say hints at something else, it is kind of confusing. You say, how can a person be forgiven by God without believing they should make restitution for or pay back? I don't follow your thought, to attempt to pay back God for the salvation He has given us through Jesus Christ would be a terrible insult to God. You also said that the idea of hell is a way for fearful individuals to be controlled. I don't follow you, Jesus Himself taught us to fear God because He could cast us into hell where both body and soul are destroyed. Could you clarify your position?

 

[joaniemarie]

Hi Joan, you say a lot of positive things, however some of what you say hints at something else, it is kind of confusing. You say, how can a person be forgiven by God without believing they should make restitution for or pay back? I don't follow your thought, to attempt to pay back God for the salvation He has given us through Jesus Christ would be a terrible insult to God. You also said that the idea of hell is a way for fearful individuals to be controlled. I don't follow you, Jesus Himself taught us to fear God because He could cast us into hell where both body and soul are destroyed. Could you clarify your position?

Hi Again samual., You misunderstood my post. It was explaining how some people look at salvation "without" the knowledge of the truth. Humanly speaking we can't understand how we get something so valuable as the forgiveness of all our sins for free from a substitute who is the Son of God. Humans always believe we have to pay for anything and everything or we are suspicious. So many people will refuse based on this unbelief that God would do this without a payback. Humans always expect to pay one way or another.

And hell to some unsaved people is for those fearful individuals to be controlled by more conniving individuals or groups like those found in a cult who convince those weak individuals based on guilt.

But the Christian knows the truth because the Holy Spirit revealed it to them that God did send His Son to pay for our salvation and that we can't pay Him back. "It's the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast." And that God instead of wanting to send sinners to hell., He wants to save people from hell so He sent His Son to pay for what we could not pay for ourselves.