Walking by the Spirit

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slave

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i like what you said Here, i would however say that death to the old, is freedom from it, when the old is put to death, it no longer has a pull, temptation can still come, but we have the sword of the spirit which is Gods word, like Jesus used against satan when He was tempted, again spirit = word
I hope you haven't read into what I said in my post to not include freedom from the old man; for to know our death is to be able to accept the resurrected life. Now, when you say temptation will come and you follow that sentence with "but...." going on to sing freedoms shine, I agree wholeheartedly, but that "but" is not a freedom without opposition, fierce opposition. Are you ready for that? Are you a person who practices the Armor of God? I hope that you are!

So, we are to know we are victors in Christ always and forever, but in so singing its praise we must also prepare our minds and bodies for the work at hand. We must pick up our cross daily and pay a price. Dat dar iz real talk!

Let me put this in practical terms: "If you, now being a free man in Christ, enter a room of friends whom where close to you before you gave your life to Christ, and you begin playing ball (as an example), and in the process you develop a conversation about your Lord to them. Then , Bobby, (your best friend from the old days in this example), says, "Hey, its cool dude, I love faith, and I'm a christian and not a muslim too!" And your spirit awakens to the fact this person is not understanding your relationship to God, so in being honest, you say, "Well, yeah that's cool, but I mean I used to be a person just looking for the best for me, but God has shown me thru my experiences that He has a better plan for me, and He has shown me who I am in truth over what I want to believe, for His Word says, we will all face death and be judged. So I asked God to speak to me about "Being judged for what? And how I needed to get rid of it?" Bobby, He showed me it is a free gift that I must accept or I will be sent to hell. So, I listened to Him and now, I so love Jesus Christ with all of my heart, and I would love to share more over breakfast, my treat, if you want, cause I care for you too my brother, and want you to have what I have been given, are you doing in your life? Let me hear your testimony tomorrow?"

And as your spirit wells up with Joy serving God, you look across from you and POW! Your spirit and the real something happening in the here and now are Kingdoms apart in what's happening within you right now!

Bobby is stunned and in awe of your audacity to shove jesus down his throat, he is embarrassed and enraged and he changes his tone with you becoming indignant filled with hatred in his heart for you and says, "Dude I ain't no jesus freak like you! Why do you always got to go too far with (blank)! Dude, my homies are wanting to leave, catch ya later!"

Tell me, in reality how free do you feel at this moment right now? If you are mature, then you would remain completely calm, trusting God is working on the other end of this despite your treatment. So, you try either another course by way of the spirit leading to enable Christ to be lifted up by you graciously and with respect of the other, or you listen to the Spirit which may just have you stop period - His call. in lifting Christ to Him respectfully and graciously, honoring His Word, and His commission only in real-time given by the intuitions of your spirit from His, you should feel at peace and confident, even, His Joy, if He appoints it to you at that time, to strengthen you.

As an immature Christian you will ebb under the torrent winds of scrutiny and hate, despite Jesus telling us the world will except religion, but not Me! And if they hate and persecute Me, they will also surely hate and persecute you...so go and serve them! What? Common sense in us just took a slug. But this is the freedom He speaks freedom to serve God's purposes and intentions, even to the gates of Hell, and all this wrapped in genuine love for the other. Freedom is great until you practice it, then it is glorious, only if you pay God's cost in doing it.

So, yes absolute freedom! But it is not an easy life God calls you to, it has a cost... it is indeed the hardest of life's even over the sinful life leading to death. Are we preparing ourselves by listening to His Spirit thru ours for the battle for souls, to be Ambassadors for Christ? Then we must adhere to the principles in Scripture discerned by our spirit and our spirit alone, or out thoughts and conclusions will be terribly pointless.
 

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Taking it directly from Romans 7 which ties into exactly what you're talking about, Christians aren't under the law. Paul who at this point is not under the law says that "I do that which I would not", he still falls short. The reason Paul no longer sins is because HE CONSENTS THAT THE LAW IS GOOD. The sin that STILL comes from Paul now comes from the sin that dwells in Paul. But the main point is that Paul still sins but he IS NOT guilty of sin because of the sinful body he and all of us dwell in. Does that make sense, Paul is still sinning even after he doesn't sin anymore.


Romans 7:16-17 KJV
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:13-25 is life under the law of sin and death. Like i said earlier, he was trying to fulfill the law but he couldn't because he was still a slave to sin.. even when he did what was right.. the nature was still there. Romans 8:2 says that we are free from it, this is where we are now. Romans 6:9-11 We know that Christ has been raised from the dead and he will never die again. Death no longer has power over him. 10 He died to sin once and for all with his death, but he lives for God with his life. 11 In the same way, you also should consider yourselves dead to sin but alive for God in Christ Jesus....
So in short we have been paid for.. We are no longer under the law, but under grace..We count ourselves dead to sin, but alive for God in Christ Jesus.... in the past (the law times) we were more focused on trying to fulfill the law of not sinning, but now we put our focus on Christ by picking up our crosses denying ourselves (the old man we used to be) and following Him.. And like i said earlier nobody walks it out flawlessly right off the bat, we are to be growing into all things Christ as we live, and people will trip and stumble, and like i said earlier we have an advocate with the Father when we do...
Some people will take grace for granted or as license to sin, and then there are those... John 10:27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. ..Its not about how much scripture a person reads or how cerebral they can be, its about faith/trust and walking/living in truth.
 
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Yes...Jesus said "As the Father has sent Me - so send I you.". Jesus lived with complete dependence on His Father's life in Him and to do His will.

Jesus didn't just follow a carnal command - Jesus lived off of the life of the Father in Him and His Father's word about Him - "This is my Son in who I am well pleased".

We too follow after Christ in our new creation. There is a vast difference between not committing adultery because it is a commandment - ( which is what the law of Moses was based on) and not committing adultery or lusting after someone because of the life of Christ in us manifesting His life.

The carnal keeping of commandments are eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Christians living from the same truth of how the Father sent Jesus and Jesus lived by the Father's life in Him are now eating from the tree of Life which is Christ Himself manifesting His life in us - this causes us to walk by love.

These are totally 2 different belief systems.

Anyway - I am done for the night. Have a great rest of the night. Bless you..:)
Jesus didn't just follow a carnal command...exactly. john 6:63"...the words that i speak to you are spirit and they are Life"

how then does the word of Jesus become " a carnal command" if you simply look at what He is teaching, its all about the heart, the thoughts, its spiritual Knowledge, the "carnal commands" would be the book of the Law of moses, wich are all about sinful actions, and ordinances , cleansing rites ect. its why we always argue lol it really is 2 different faiths. the thing is, what i believe to be true, is what Jesus Christ says, not only 1 or two places, but all of it. i didnt like to hear " if you are looking lustfully at a woman you have already commited adultery with her in your heart" <<<but i never made a reason to dispute that its part of the gospel. because i accepted the things He teaches about, that werent likable to my sinful lifestyle, those things became working faith in me, and now i do not have an ounce of lust for women in my Heart, only because i believed Jesus, being the One i have all my faith in, why wouldnt i accept His word? being they arent " carnal commands" but spirit and life?

there was a time i didnt want to Hear that i would be judged according to my actions , but id never try to make the judgement different than the Judge has said it is either. because i accepted it, it changed me through making me realize " i have to let go of these sinful things i do daily. that came only because i didnt omit and avoid the truth of what Jesus taught His disciples. the truth doesnt always feel good to us, but it works just like Jesus says it will.

john 8:31-32 "Then said Jesus to those Jews WHICH BELIEVED ON HIM, If ye CONTINUE IN MY WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

many quote " the truth shall make you free" but what is the reasoning in removing the context of whats actually said there. its a teaching, jesus saying " continue in my word and the truth will make you free, its not just a lone thing, look here and consider " continue in my word and know the truth"

john 14:15-17 "If ye love me, keep my commandments.(<< continue in my word)16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.(<< and you will know the "spirit of truth")

john 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.<<< the holy ghost will remind of everything Jesus said..again His words, teachings)

john 5:23-24 "
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." << again Honoring Jesus word as the Fathers)

matthew 7:24-27 "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." <<<<< again the importance of Jesus sayings, or teachings, His word, or "commands" in short what He said of things why so important? this is only a sample of what He said about His words.

john 7:16-17 "Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. "<<<< this is why its about Jesus words in the gospel, because it is the doctrine of God, and anyone who chooses to follow Him, will find that fact out, that its of God because it is life and freedom and spirit and light....as Jesus kept saying it was. the cross is essential, but its not a complets doctrine that will help those who already believe He died for us, we have to accept the words of He who died, as well as His blood and sweat and tears spent on us, there is no other way.

john 14:6 "
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."<<<< this isnt supposed to be taught seperate as meaning "well, it isnt about what Jesus said, because he is the way and truth and life" its supposed to be accepted with the rest of the things He said, its the same principle, theres no other way to be set free other than through the Words of God through His Son. it is the entire new covenant, given by the One mediator. paul never parted from Jesus words, he was teaching people " Go to Jesus accept the gospel" the gospel of the Kingdom of God , that surely grace is a big part of, but it doesnt nullify Jesus word on any matter, it brings us into it through the patience and mercies of God,


im sorry we cant agree after a year lol and please dont think im "attacking or slandering you" im not in any way, ive been trying to get through to you for a long time not based on my " interpretation" but on the word of Jesus Christ whop i KNOW you Love and believe in, nor am i saying " your not saved, or condemning you in any way shape or form. I hope at some future time were able to find things we can agree on, but i will not ever part with Jesus words being the right Ones to build a foundation on, i love paul, peter, john, james, zechariah, mopses, isaiah, ezekiel, daniel, jude, the book of Hebrews and any other book in the bible,.....

But i belong to the One who gave me life from the dead and im certain im not ever meant to part from learning and following His words, its given new life to a sinner and freedom to a former slave , light to a person in darkness, bread to a hungry man, water to someone dying of thirst, spirit to a man of flesh, theres no reason for me to part from my foundation, im too busy building upon its precepts ans having life that is truly Life.

Love you in christ bruce, and thats true
 

stonesoffire

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So you have completely master the flesh? Do you no longer have fleshly desires or do have you have complete power over them?

Its not my focus. I pretty much am in the Word most of the day. You don't think that you can come to a place where the Kingdom of God is more important than this life? I am 70 you know. Maybe that's why...maybe not. :eek:

But, I do believe that as long as we think we have to master the flesh, we will not. We are dead and our life is hid in Christ, in God.

You know, it's foolish to boast in self about anything. Something about thinking you are standing...watch out then.
 
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I hope you haven't read into what I said in my post to not include freedom from the old man; for to know our death is to be able to accept the resurrected life. Now, when you say temptation will come and you follow that sentence with "but...." going on to sing freedoms shine, I agree wholeheartedly, but that "but" is not a freedom without opposition, fierce opposition. Are you ready for that? Are you a person who practices the Armor of God? I hope that you are!

So, we are to know we are victors in Christ always and forever, but in so singing its praise we must also prepare our minds and bodies for the work at hand. We must pick up our cross daily and pay a price. Dat dar iz real talk!

Let me put this in practical terms: "If you, now being a free man in Christ, enter a room of friends whom where close to you before you gave your life to Christ, and you begin playing ball (as an example), and in the process you develop a conversation about your Lord to them. Then , Bobby, (your best friend from the old days in this example), says, "Hey, its cool dude, I love faith, and I'm a christian and not a muslim too!" And your spirit awakens to the fact this person is not understanding your relationship to God, so in being honest, you say, "Well, yeah that's cool, but I mean I used to be a person just looking for the best for me, but God has shown me thru my experiences that He has a better plan for me, and He has shown me who I am in truth over what I want to believe, for His Word says, we will all face death and be judged. So I asked God to speak to me about "Being judged for what? And how I needed to get rid of it?" Bobby, He showed me it is a free gift that I must accept or I will be sent to hell. So, I listened to Him and now, I so love Jesus Christ with all of my heart, and I would love to share more over breakfast, my treat, if you want, cause I care for you too my brother, and want you to have what I have been given, are you doing in your life? Let me hear your testimony tomorrow?"

And as your spirit wells up with Joy serving God, you look across from you and POW! Your spirit and the real something happening in the here and now are Kingdoms apart in what's happening within you right now!

Bobby is stunned and in awe of your audacity to shove jesus down his throat, he is embarrassed and enraged and he changes his tone with you becoming indignant filled with hatred in his heart for you and says, "Dude I ain't no jesus freak like you! Why do you always got to go too far with (blank)! Dude, my homies are wanting to leave, catch ya later!"

Tell me, in reality how free do you feel at this moment right now? If you are mature, then you would remain completely calm, trusting God is working on the other end of this despite your treatment. So, you try either another course by way of the spirit leading to enable Christ to be lifted up by you graciously and with respect of the other, or you listen to the Spirit which may just have you stop period - His call. in lifting Christ to Him respectfully and graciously, honoring His Word, and His commission only in real-time given by the intuitions of your spirit from His, you should feel at peace and confident, even, His Joy, if He appoints it to you at that time, to strengthen you.

As an immature Christian you will ebb under the torrent winds of scrutiny and hate, despite Jesus telling us the world will except religion, but not Me! And if they hate and persecute Me, they will also surely hate and persecute you...so go and serve them! What? Common sense in us just took a slug. But this is the freedom He speaks freedom to serve God's purposes and intentions, even to the gates of Hell, and all this wrapped in genuine love for the other. Freedom is great until you practice it, then it is glorious, only if you pay God's cost in doing it.

So, yes absolute freedom! But it is not an easy life God calls you to, it has a cost... it is indeed the hardest of life's even over the sinful life leading to death. Are we preparing ourselves by listening to His Spirit thru ours for the battle for souls, to be Ambassadors for Christ? Then we must adhere to the principles in Scripture discerned by our spirit and our spirit alone, or out thoughts and conclusions will be terribly pointless.
not at all bro, i agree wiuth all you said and have read it carefully and probably will again in order to receive what i can from it, recognize it to be very rivh in value, i hope others will see that as well, thank you for taking the time to be so articulate with what you have said. im always looking to learn and accept a different perspective so long as it stays with the truth in principle and doesnt rewuire ommitance of the Word of God.
 
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Romans 7:13-25 is life under the law of sin and death. Like i said earlier, he was trying to fulfill the law but he couldn't because he was still a slave to sin.. even when he did what was right.. the nature was still there. Romans 8:2 says that we are free from it, this is where we are now. Romans 6:9-11 We know that Christ has been raised from the dead and he will never die again. Death no longer has power over him. 10 He died to sin once and for all with his death, but he lives for God with his life. 11 In the same way, you also should consider yourselves dead to sin but alive for God in Christ Jesus....
So in short we have been paid for.. We are no longer under the law, but under grace..We count ourselves dead to sin, but alive for God in Christ Jesus.... in the past (the law times) we were more focused on trying to fulfill the law of not sinning, but now we put our focus on Christ by picking up our crosses denying ourselves (the old man we used to be) and following Him.. And like i said earlier nobody walks it out flawlessly right off the bat, we are to be growing into all things Christ as we live, and people will trip and stumble, and like i said earlier we have an advocate with the Father when we do...
Some people will take grace for granted or as license to sin, and then there are those... John 10:27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. ..Its not about how much scripture a person reads or how cerebral they can be, its about faith/trust and walking/living in truth.
Maybe reread verse 25. Paul thanking God through Jesus Christ (converted to Christianity) says I (presently not when he was under the law) serve the law of God with my mind but serve the law of sin with his flesh.

Romans 7:25 KJV
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
 
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Its not my focus. I pretty much am in the Word most of the day. You don't think that you can come to a place where the Kingdom of God is more important than this life? I am 70 you know. Maybe that's why...maybe not. :eek:

But, I do believe that as long as we think we have to master the flesh, we will not. We are dead and our life is hid in Christ, in God.

You know, it's foolish to boast in self about anything. Something about thinking you are standing...watch out then.
Well I'm glad you don't think you're sinless and have no fleshly desires. :)
 

stonesoffire

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Well I'm glad you don't think you're sinless and have no fleshly desires. :)
I did not answer that. I say I am Spirit, dead to sin, alive to God.

Anything else is a trap. It's a foolish question. I would not pose it to anyone of Gods own.
 
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I did not answer that. I say I am Spirit, dead to sin, alive to God.

Anything else is a trap. It's a foolish question. I would not pose it to anyone of Gods own.
We are all dead to sin, but we all still sin. No trap, it should be obvious to all that we are still sinners.
 

stonesoffire

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We are all dead to sin, but we all still sin. No trap, it should be obvious to all that we are still sinners.
We are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. Speak truth. There's a current song right now that says Speak life. Good song.
 
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I hope you haven't read into what I said in my post to not include freedom from the old man; for to know our death is to be able to accept the resurrected life. Now, when you say temptation will come and you follow that sentence with "but...." going on to sing freedoms shine, I agree wholeheartedly, but that "but" is not a freedom without opposition, fierce opposition. Are you ready for that? Are you a person who practices the Armor of God? I hope that you are!

So, we are to know we are victors in Christ always and forever, but in so singing its praise we must also prepare our minds and bodies for the work at hand. We must pick up our cross daily and pay a price. Dat dar iz real talk!

Let me put this in practical terms: "If you, now being a free man in Christ, enter a room of friends whom where close to you before you gave your life to Christ, and you begin playing ball (as an example), and in the process you develop a conversation about your Lord to them. Then , Bobby, (your best friend from the old days in this example), says, "Hey, its cool dude, I love faith, and I'm a christian and not a muslim too!" And your spirit awakens to the fact this person is not understanding your relationship to God, so in being honest, you say, "Well, yeah that's cool, but I mean I used to be a person just looking for the best for me, but God has shown me thru my experiences that He has a better plan for me, and He has shown me who I am in truth over what I want to believe, for His Word says, we will all face death and be judged. So I asked God to speak to me about "Being judged for what? And how I needed to get rid of it?" Bobby, He showed me it is a free gift that I must accept or I will be sent to hell. So, I listened to Him and now, I so love Jesus Christ with all of my heart, and I would love to share more over breakfast, my treat, if you want, cause I care for you too my brother, and want you to have what I have been given, are you doing in your life? Let me hear your testimony tomorrow?"

And as your spirit wells up with Joy serving God, you look across from you and POW! Your spirit and the real something happening in the here and now are Kingdoms apart in what's happening within you right now!

Bobby is stunned and in awe of your audacity to shove jesus down his throat, he is embarrassed and enraged and he changes his tone with you becoming indignant filled with hatred in his heart for you and says, "Dude I ain't no jesus freak like you! Why do you always got to go too far with (blank)! Dude, my homies are wanting to leave, catch ya later!"

Tell me, in reality how free do you feel at this moment right now? If you are mature, then you would remain completely calm, trusting God is working on the other end of this despite your treatment. So, you try either another course by way of the spirit leading to enable Christ to be lifted up by you graciously and with respect of the other, or you listen to the Spirit which may just have you stop period - His call. in lifting Christ to Him respectfully and graciously, honoring His Word, and His commission only in real-time given by the intuitions of your spirit from His, you should feel at peace and confident, even, His Joy, if He appoints it to you at that time, to strengthen you.

As an immature Christian you will ebb under the torrent winds of scrutiny and hate, despite Jesus telling us the world will except religion, but not Me! And if they hate and persecute Me, they will also surely hate and persecute you...so go and serve them! What? Common sense in us just took a slug. But this is the freedom He speaks freedom to serve God's purposes and intentions, even to the gates of Hell, and all this wrapped in genuine love for the other. Freedom is great until you practice it, then it is glorious, only if you pay God's cost in doing it.

So, yes absolute freedom! But it is not an easy life God calls you to, it has a cost... it is indeed the hardest of life's even over the sinful life leading to death. Are we preparing ourselves by listening to His Spirit thru ours for the battle for souls, to be Ambassadors for Christ? Then we must adhere to the principles in Scripture discerned by our spirit and our spirit alone, or out thoughts and conclusions will be terribly pointless.
yes daily, and no i dont think there is no opposition, i just understand that He who is in me ( the word of God) is sufficient and powerful to deliver even a man such as i used to be, into the man i am now, and am continuing in becoming. am i thinking im someone perfect or special? absolutely not, i think i am the least, that Christ may be all in my life. am i trying to condemn another person, in no way. does someone have to listen to me in order to be saved? or grow in God? absolitely not. am i accountable for the things i am given, indeed i am. do i fear the enemy? not in the least. is that a boast? nope, i Know the One who made a mockery of Him on my behalf, and i know the name by which all men must come to God, Jesus.

am i thinking the fight is over, i won the prize, Jesus will determine that when i see Him on that day. The more we grow, the stronger the winds blow against us, but when we are rooted firmly upon the Rock, we will stand. do i learn something new nearly every time i get time to study ? for certain. i do everything i am able to do, and I trust Jesus for the rest, 100 percent. if i fail or fall tomorrow am i lost? not if im willing to repent of my wrong, and ask the Most Gracious God who knows my deeds that come from Faith in His Son. am i willing to accept the things that make me uncomfortable in the word? yes i belive that to be the strongest and most nutricious fertilizer we have available, and the word has power when we accept it
 

stonesoffire

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Rev 12:11 Our brothers conquered him by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they did not cling to their lives even in the face of death.

Conquered the liar, thief, deceiver, accuser.

The Word is Spirit and life. Now walk in Him.
 
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Being led of the Spirit does not mean we might not sin,for we are still in the flesh,and still have the capacity to sin if we desire to sin,but if we do not want sin,and mean it,by the Spirit we can abstain from sin,as long as we do not want to sin,for when we are tempted God will not put on us more than we are able,so we can endure it,and will give us an escape from the temptation,which the temptation on a saint is lessened in intensity of the pull on them compared to the world,and the Spirit will lead the person to do good.

And as far as sinless perfection it cannot come on this earth,for while a person can abstain from sin at the time they do not want sin,led by the Spirit,we are still in the flesh,and as long as there is a war between our flesh,and the Spirit,wanting to have control in our life,we cannot have sinless perfection,for in sinless perfection there is no war in the person between good,and evil,but they can only see good,and can only do good,with no possible way to sin for the possibility is not there,and they would not be tempted to sin.

The fact that we are tempted to sin testifies against sinless perfection,for even if a saint went 5 years with nary a sin,they still do not have sinless perfection,for they are tempted,and could be a remote possibility that they might sin.

The only exception among humans is the man Christ Jesus,who was tempted,but since He is God manifest in the flesh,and always led by the Spirit with no chance of being otherwise,He could not sin,and it was impossible for Him to sin,so He had sinless perfection,but the saints will not have it until they are out of the flesh,and with Jesus,for then they are not tempted anymore to sin,and they do not have the possibility to sin.
 
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There is a difference between the noun called "sin" talked about in Romans Chapters 6 & 7 and "sinning" as a verb which is the doing of the influence of sin.

If any one is interested - this post talks about it. I think this will help in the understanding of things. It has helped me immensely anyways.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...se-who-deny-sin-believer-139.html#post3070195


This is the companion post that goes with the above one.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...se-who-deny-sin-believer-139.html#post3070214

Combine this with the reality of the circumcision of the flesh and heart by the circumcision of Christ - where the body of sin is "cut away" from the inner man in Christ. Col. 2:11

The revelation of these truths has made me live a holier life then I ever dreamed possible and it is all done by walking by the spirit and beholding Christ Himself in me as 2 Cor. 3:17-18 talks about.

When we see Him and His goodness/glory in that mirror - we see who we are really are now in Him. Joined as one spirit with the Lord. This is one of the ways of God and a dynamic of the kingdom in how it operates within us.

If anyone be in Christ - they are a new creation - old things are passed away - "Behold" ( which means to look, to see, to perceive ) all things have become new.

What are these "new things" that are true because we are in Christ and Christ is in us? Seeing Christ for who He is - transforms us to be outwardly what already is in our new creation.
 
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Tried to rep your post followJesus, must wait.
 
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Maybe reread verse 25. Paul thanking God through Jesus Christ (converted to Christianity) says I (presently not when he was under the law) serve the law of God with my mind but serve the law of sin with his flesh.

Romans 7:25 KJV
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

2 peter 3:14-18 "Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, BE DILIGENT that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and BLAMELESS. 15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother PAULalso according to the wisdom given unto him hath ALSO WRITTEN unto you;

16As also in all HIS EPISTLES, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. ( warning about pauls letters being complex in nature and easily distorted)

17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, BEWARE lest ye also, being LED AWAY with the error of the wicked, fall from your own STEDFASTNESS. 18But GROW in GRACE, and in the KNOWLEDGE OF OUR LORD and Saviour Jesus Christ.(<< the 4 gospels) TO HIM BE GLORY both now and for ever. Amen."

 
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Maybe reread verse 25. Paul thanking God through Jesus Christ (converted to Christianity) says I (presently not when he was under the law) serve the law of God with my mind but serve the law of sin with his flesh.

Romans 7:25 KJV
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
the whole thing is past tense and you keep going in circles