Was Baptism of the Holy Spirit a One Time Occurrance?

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Someone in another thread made a comment that what is now commonly referred to as the "Baptism of the Holy Ghost" in certaian denominational circles only occurred once. Using scripture, I will show how this position is inaccurate.

There are several places in scripture where the Holy Spirit made His presence felt in the lives of many, not just the original Apostles. However, for clarity's sake, let's start in the book of John, chapter 20, when a resurrected Jesus appears to His disciples:


John 20: 19-23:

19 Then on that same first day of the week, when it was evening, though the disciples were behind closed doors for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, Peace to you!

20 So saying, He showed them His hands and His side. And when the disciples saw the Lord, they were filled with joy (delight, exultation, ecstasy, rapture).

21 Then Jesus said to them again, Peace to you! [Just] as the Father has sent Me forth, so I am sending you.

22 And having said this, He breathed on them and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit!

23 [Now having received the Holy Spirit, and being led and directed by Him] if you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of anyone, they are retained.
Personally, I would equate the occurrence in John 20 as the initial salvation experience of Jesus' disciples seeing as the disciples now know without a doubt that the ressurected Jesus is indeed the Christ.

Scripture then speaks of a secondary occurrence; an enduement of power from on high for the fulfillment of the Great Commission. Look no further than Acts, chapters one and two for a scriptural example of this occurrence when the original 11 disciples and 109 others receive of of the Holy Spirit:

Acts 1: 3-8:

3 To them also He showed Himself alive after His passion (His suffering in the garden and on the cross) by [a series of] many convincing demonstrations [unquestionable evidences and infallible proofs], appearing to them during forty days and talking [to them] about the things of the kingdom of God.

4 And while being in their company and eating with them, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem but to wait for what the Father had promised, Of which [He said] you have heard Me speak.

5 For John baptized with water, but not many days from now you shall be baptized with (placed in, introduced into) the Holy Spirit.

6 So when they were assembled, they asked Him, Lord, is this the time when You will reestablish the kingdom and restore it to Israel?

7 He said to them, It is not for you to become acquainted with and know what time brings [the things and events of time and their definite periods] or fixed years and seasons (their critical niche in time), which the Father has appointed (fixed and reserved) by His own choice and authority and personal power.

8 But you shall receive power (ability, efficiency, and might) when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you shall be My witnesses in Jerusalem and all Judea and Samaria and to the ends (the very bounds) of the earth.


Acts 2: 1-4
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1 And when the day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all assembled together in one place,

2 When suddenly there came a sound from heaven like the rushing of a violent tempest blast, and it filled the whole house in which they were sitting.

3 And there appeared to them tongues resembling fire, which were separated and distributed and which settled on each one of them.

4 And they were all filled (diffused throughout their souls) with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other (different, foreign) languages (tongues), as the Spirit kept giving them clear and loud expression [in each tongue in appropriate words].
For further scriptural proof of yet another corporate physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit, look no further than Acts chapter 4 after Peter & John's arrest:

Acts 4: 23-33:

23 After they were permitted to go, [the apostles] returned to their own [company] and told all that the chief priests and elders had said to them.

24 And when they heard it, lifted their voices together with one united mind to God and said, O Sovereign Lord, You are He Who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything that is in them,

25 Who by the mouth of our forefather David, Your servant and child, said through the Holy Spirit, Why did the heathen (Gentiles) become wanton and insolent and rage, and the people imagine and study and plan vain (fruitless) things [that will not succeed]?

26 The kings of the earth took their stand in array [for attack] and the rulers were assembled and combined together against the Lord and against His Anointed (Christ, the Messiah).

27 For in this city there actually met and plotted together against Your holy Child and Servant Jesus, Whom You consecrated by anointing, both Herod and Pontius Pilate with the Gentiles and peoples of Israel,

28 To carry out all that Your hand and Your will and purpose had predestined (predetermined) should occur.

29 And now, Lord, observe their threats and grant to Your bond servants [full freedom] to declare Your message fearlessly,

30 While You stretch out Your hand to cure and to perform signs and wonders through the authority and by the power of the name of Your holy Child and Servant Jesus.

31 And when they had prayed, the place in which they were assembled was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they continued to speak the Word of God with freedom and boldness and courage.

32 Now the company of believers was of one heart and soul, and not one of them claimed that anything which he possessed was [exclusively] his own, but everything they had was in common and for the use of all.

33 And with great strength and ability and power the apostles delivered their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace (loving-kindness and favor and goodwill) rested richly upon them all.

The original Apostles were not the only ones to receive the Holy Spirit in such manner. In Acts chapter 10, Cornelius (a Roman centurion) and his entire household of gentiles receive the Holy Spirit in like manner after God had revealed to Peter that salvation is for both the Jew & Gentile:


Acts 10: 44-46:

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all who were listening to the message.

45 And the believers from among the circumcised [the Jews] who came with Peter were surprised and amazed, because the free gift of the Holy Spirit had been bestowed and poured out largely even on the Gentiles.

46 For they heard them talking in [unknown] tongues (languages) and extolling and magnifying God.
In Acts 19 we find another occurrence where yet another group of people receive of the Holy Spirit in similar manner:

Acts 19: 1-7:

1 While Apollos was in Corinth, Paul went through the upper inland districts and came down to Ephesus. There he found some disciples.

2 And he asked them, Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed [on Jesus as the Christ]? And they said, No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.

3 And he asked, Into what [baptism] then were you baptized? They said, Into John’s baptism.

4 And Paul said, John baptized with the baptism of repentance, continually telling the people that they should believe in the One Who was to come after him, that is, in Jesus [having a conviction full of joyful trust that He is Christ, the Messiah, and being obedient to Him].

5 On hearing this they were baptized [again, this time] in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And as Paul laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke in [foreign, unknown] tongues (languages) and prophesied.
As you can see, the notion that the Holy Spirit was only given once and only to a select number people is indeed scripturally inaccurate.
 

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Someone in another thread made a comment that what is now commonly referred to as the "Baptism of the Holy Ghost" in certaian denominational circles only occurred once. Using scripture, I will show how this position is inaccurate.

There are several places in scripture where the Holy Spirit made His presence felt in the lives of many, not just the original Apostles. However, for clarity's sake, let's start in the book of John, chapter 20, when a resurrected Jesus appears to His disciples:




Personally, I would equate the occurrence in John 20 as the initial salvation experience of Jesus' disciples seeing as the disciples now know without a doubt that the ressurected Jesus is indeed the Christ.

Scripture then speaks of a secondary occurrence; an enduement of power from on high for the fulfillment of the Great Commission. Look no further than Acts, chapters one and two for a scriptural example of this occurrence when the original 11 disciples and 109 others receive of of the Holy Spirit:



For further scriptural proof of yet another corporate physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit, look no further than Acts chapter 4 after Peter & John's arrest:



The original Apostles were not the only ones to receive the Holy Spirit in such manner. In Acts chapter 10, Cornelius (a Roman centurion) and his entire household of gentiles receive the Holy Spirit in like manner after God had revealed to Peter that salvation is for both the Jew & Gentile:




In Acts 19 we find another occurrence where yet another group of people receive of the Holy Spirit in similar manner:



As you can see, the notion that the Holy Spirit was only given once and only to a select number people is indeed scripturally inaccurate.
how many times do christians in 2012 receive the Holy Spirit?
 
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how many times do christians in 2012 receive the Holy Spirit?
How many times do peoople in 2012 feel the presence of the Holy Spirit?

I don't think 'receive' is the right word nor is it the way Crossfyre said things, ohzone :)

He was speaking about feeling 'the presence' of the Holy Spirit, this, again, establishes that the spiritual gifts did not end at any time, God was filling people with gifts for acts, as He chose to give (and take away) to accomplish His ways. :) He does this still today , by virtue of Acts 2 talking about what was said earlier. Again, 'spiritual gifts' is slghtly off base of what crossfyre means to say here--occurence of the Holy Spirit-- so I will just leave it at that :)
 

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How many times do peoople in 2012 feel the presence of the Holy Spirit?

I don't think 'receive' is the right word nor is it the way Crossfyre said things, ohzone :)

He was speaking about feeling 'the presence' of the Holy Spirit, this, again, establishes that the spiritual gifts did not end at any time, God was filling people with gifts for acts, as He chose to give (and take away) to accomplish His ways. :) He does this still today , by virtue of Acts 2 talking about what was said earlier. Again, 'spiritual gifts' is slghtly off base of what crossfyre means to say here--occurence of the Holy Spirit-- so I will just leave it at that :)
hi greener:D

i thought we were supposed to be careful about our understanding of the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
this thread isn't about feelings.
it's about receiving the Holy Spirit, and how many times we receive Him.


OP: Was Baptism of the Holy Spirit a One Time Occurrance?


baptism...One Spirit.
received by Christians once.

all those other passages are beginning with the Day of Pentecost, which was a One Time Occurrance.
the Day of Pentecost was a One Time Occurrance.
Pentecost happened once. it was an actual literal day.

that is what i initially said. the Day of Pentecost, which was a One Time Occurrance.

As the Will and Plan of God was still being revealed (which we now have in the God-breathed Scriptures), the Apostles who had seen the Resurrected Christ and were chosen as His foundational ambassadors....stamped with His approval by being empowered with supernatural power, and authority from Him < signs as signifying His Authority given to them to build His church and receive His NEW INFORMATION and teach it......they received it and taught it (and it is recorded for us)

Paul in more than one place said: behold, i show you a mystery. this means,

"hey you guys! listen...i have information from the Lord we didn't know until now....you guys, don't listen to false teachers who send forged letters or come and tell you the resurrection is past...here's what the Lord revealed to me (Paul) - we will not all die, because some of us will be alive when He comes. so i'm telling you NEW INFORMATION about both the Resurrection and the Second Advent. now that i have received the NEW INFORMATION, and told it to you through this letter i am writing, which will be part of the Canon, it's not a mystery anymore....you ALL know it."

....so the SUPER-DRAMATIC AND UNDENIABLY FROM GOD - CHANGE from/away from the Old Covenant and Temple to the Church being the temple in which the Holy Spirit dwells that we read about in Acts (etc) is not normative for today.

the Adventures and experiences in the Acts of the Apostles is not normative for us today. anymore than the Red Sea parting is. that happened once. to save His people while displaying His POWER.

no one is imparting the Holy Spirit by laying on hands today (including guys like Benny Hinn).


2 Timothy 3
All Scripture Is Breathed Out by God

10You, however, have followed my teaching, my conduct, my aim in life, my faith, my patience, my love, my steadfastness, 11my persecutions and sufferings that happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, and at Lystra&#8212;which persecutions I endured; yet from them all the Lord rescued me. 12Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whoma you learned it 15and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of Godb may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Romans 10:17
Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

Galatians 3:2
Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?

Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, &#8220;Abba! Father!&#8221;

1 Corinthians 2:12
We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.

we receive the Guarantee (Seal) of the Spirit one time each.
and He remains in us.
we are to be continually filled, not hindering, not grieving, and so on.
but we are not Baptised into Christ and receive the Spirit over and over.

there is something to watch out for, though:

2 Corinthians 11:4
For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

so basically, ideas such as a Second Blessing (which is pretty much claiming a Second Baptism are the unscriptural ideas.

it should be pretty standard to keep the Bible books in context. that means, in this case, the varying displays and impartations of the Spirit of Promise THEY experienced are not what we experienced. believe me Green....if the Day of Pentecost happened in 2012 we'd know it (it doesn't need to though...we shouldn't be seeking signs. we already have an unction from the Holy One).

the Gospel (God breathed Scripture) is the power of God unto salvation and for equipping for every single possible good work. how? because you must be (and are) born again. so you can RECEIVE the things of the Spirit, because you have received the Spirit!:)

none of this Latter Rain stuff.
i think some of like to soft-shoe this idea so we can play Pentecostal gifts-church.

love ya
zone.
 
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zone

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tsk.....2013:eek:
i guess since the Mayan thing didn't happen i should stop at the bank and get a new calendar.
i always wait too long and all the cute animals ones and cool wilderness ones are gone.
ahem.
 
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The phrase "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" was adopted by denominational Pentecostals, and later codified by the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. When used of the modern day experience, it means a deliberate decision to allow the Holy Spirit, received at salvation, to have free reign in your life. The confusion comes from the double use of the term, the modern one being different.

The modern use is a pastoral concept, not a theological one. It was found desirable, since many mainline churches had inadequate teaching about the Holy Spirit and what He can do. As the Pentecostal movement grew in popularity, saying a second prayer to leave behind the old lack of understanding, and making a commitment to accept what God always wanted you to have, made sense.

People who make the separate prayer do often experience their own personal Pentecost, since they have not previously opened to what was given them at salvation. This is very much analogous to churches that have infant baptism. When a child becomes of age, and makes a personal commitment to Jesus, he often experiences an awakening to Christ's presence in him, just as though he were baptized today. The church would argue that Jesus was in him from the day of baptism, but he first accepted it now.

It makes little difference ultimately, anyway. God is beyond human time. He just DOES it, not did it, or will do it.
 

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The phrase "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" was adopted by denominational Pentecostals, and later codified by the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. When used of the modern day experience, it means a deliberate decision to allow the Holy Spirit, received at salvation, to have free reign in your life. The confusion comes from the double use of the term, the modern one being different.

The modern use is a pastoral concept, not a theological one. It was found desirable, since many mainline churches had inadequate teaching about the Holy Spirit and what He can do. As the Pentecostal movement grew in popularity, saying a second prayer to leave behind the old lack of understanding, and making a commitment to accept what God always wanted you to have, made sense.

People who make the separate prayer do often experience their own personal Pentecost, since they have not previously opened to what was given them at salvation. This is very much analogous to churches that have infant baptism. When a child becomes of age, and makes a personal commitment to Jesus, he often experiences an awakening to Christ's presence in him, just as though he were baptized today. The church would argue that Jesus was in him from the day of baptism, but he first accepted it now.

It makes little difference ultimately, anyway. God is beyond human time. He just DOES it, not did it, or will do it.
 
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It seems to me baptism of the Holy Spirit is an ongoing thing.
 
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All who are truly saved receive a measure of the Holy Spirit at salvation however, not all who are saved will receive the enduement of power from on high to fulfill the Great Commission commonly referred to as "the Baptism of the Holy Spirit". Scriptural proof of this can found in 1 Corinthians, chapter 12:


4 Now there are distinctive varieties and distributions of endowments (gifts, extraordinary powers distinguishing certain Christians, due to the power of divine grace operating in their souls by the Holy Spirit) and they vary, but the [Holy] Spirit remains the same.

5 And there are distinctive varieties of service and ministration, but it is the same Lord [Who is served].

6 And there are distinctive varieties of operation [of working to accomplish things], but it is the same God Who inspires and energizes them all in all.

7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the [Holy] Spirit [the evidence, the spiritual illumination of the Spirit] for good and profit.

8 To one is given in and through the [Holy] Spirit [the power to speak] a message of wisdom, and to another [the power to express] a word of knowledge and understanding according to the same [Holy] Spirit;

9 To another [wonder-working] faith by the same [Holy] Spirit, to another the extraordinary powers of healing by the one Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles, to another prophetic insight (the gift of interpreting the divine will and purpose); to another the ability to discern and distinguish between [the utterances of true] spirits [and false ones], to another various kinds of [unknown] tongues, to another the ability to interpret [such] tongues.

11 All these [gifts, achievements, abilities] are inspired and brought to pass by one and the same [Holy] Spirit, Who apportions to each person individually [exactly] as He chooses.

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29 Are all apostles (special messengers)? Are all prophets (inspired interpreters of the will and purposes of God)? Are all teachers? Do all have the power of performing miracles?

30 Do all possess extraordinary powers of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

31 But earnestly desire and zealously cultivate the greatest and best gifts and graces (the higher gifts and the choicest graces). And yet I will show you a still more excellent way [one that is better by far and the highest of them all—love].

I have been very fortunate enough to see the authentic gifts of the Holy Spirit in operation and have always witness many lives transformed for the better because of it. I have seen hundreds of souls saved, dozens set free from all sorts of mental & emotional bondage and people healed from a variety of different ailments. None of which occurred because of anything that man could do on his own but because the Holy Spirit was both present actively working among us.
 
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Baptism of the holy spirit.

John said there is one mightier than I, Who's sandle straps I am unworthy to lose. he will BAPTISE WITH THE HS and fire.

it is through this baptism of the HS that the wheat is placed into the barn (heaven). Where the chaff is baptised in fire, which shall never be quenched (hell)

Paul says we are not circumcized with the circumcision done with the hands of men. But by the hands, BURIED IN BAPTISM in the WORKING OF GOD WHO RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.


It is through this baptism performed by the HS, that spiritual circumcision(cleansing) is accomplished)

Baptism of the HS does not do anything for us, but cleanse us. It is the act of God placing us into the death and burial of Christ (where our sins are washed away) and into the body of CHrist) where we are placed into union with Christ)

The act of the HS coming into us, or being placed on us is not the baptism of ther spirit. it is the ANOINTING of the spirit which does this. Thus all spiritual gifts do not come from his baptism, but through his anointing.
 

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Each and every individual is indwelt by the Holy Spirit once they place their faith in Jesus Christ. But one can also receive power from the Holy Spirit just like the early apostles.

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

1 Cor 2:4-5 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.


Neither Paul nor the other apostles were speaking mere persuasive words of human wisdom when thousands of souls were converted. This occurred because they were endued with power from on high for effective witnessing.
 
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Baptism of the holy spirit.

John said there is one mightier than I, Who's sandle straps I am unworthy to lose. he will BAPTISE WITH THE HS and fire.

it is through this baptism of the HS that the wheat is placed into the barn (heaven). Where the chaff is baptised in fire, which shall never be quenched (hell)

Paul says we are not circumcized with the circumcision done with the hands of men. But by the hands, BURIED IN BAPTISM in the WORKING OF GOD WHO RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.


It is through this baptism performed by the HS, that spiritual circumcision(cleansing) is accomplished)

Baptism of the HS does not do anything for us, but cleanse us. It is the act of God placing us into the death and burial of Christ (where our sins are washed away) and into the body of CHrist) where we are placed into union with Christ)

The act of the HS coming into us, or being placed on us is not the baptism of ther spirit. it is the ANOINTING of the spirit which does this. Thus all spiritual gifts do not come from his baptism, but through his anointing.
I whole heartedly agree. I could add a few points however, since this is the first time in quite some time that we actually agree on something, I think I'll leave things as they are for now. :)
 
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I never claimed or even believed that the Holy Spirit is only served once in all time. But it is a fact that He is only served to a person ONCE TO FILL THE PERSON. Then HE (The Holy Spirit) only leaves when that person is put to SLEEP. GodNEVER had to baptize, fill or serve the Holy Spirit to a person TWICE.

When Jesus blew on the disciples He gave them SOME of the Holy Spirit, that is why they could heal and cast out demons after HE BLEW on them. But!!!! They did not recieve the Spirit in full, because that was for PENTICOST! Jesus said that to them. Jesus said, there is many things HE still want to teach them but they could not BARE IT YET... Meaning they will only get or bear it when they are filled with the Spirit on PENTICOST.

Ok! Since you did not qoute Acts 8 and how a whole city recieved the Spirit I will. In Acts a whole city came to repentance under the guidance of an evangelist/deacon named Philip. And they were all baptized in water in the Name of Jesus Christ, but the Holy Spirit did not FALL ON NONE OF THEM...

So they (even Simon the sourcerer) believed the Gospel, they did what Philip said they should and they were baptized. They were healed and cleansed of all evil spirits, YET the only place the holy Spirit was, was in Philip. Not in or on none of them.

Then the apostles heard this news and sent John and Peter to pray for them and lay hands on them, AND THEN THEY RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT. ONCE! Samaria was fulfilled when the apostles prayed and layd hands on them. ONCE! And that was enough!

God talks about ONE BAPTISM in Eph 4, that is HIS BAPTISM, ads Jesus said... Baptize with Holy Ghost, and it is not this sick pervertedf twisted thing Benni Hinn and his clowns does. It is a GODLY baptism into God and holiness and perfection and power. God said it straight, YOU SHALL RECIEVE POWER WHEN THE HOLY GHOST IS COME OVER YOU!

And that power does not run out, or deminish or geow weak. It is a Godly GIFT, and God does not repent from His gifts. They last until God gives you rest from this perverted world!

The pouring out, baptize, fillng or gift of the Holy Spirit is God's gift of EVERLASTING LIFE. You CANNOT die after receaving that gift. Your flesh is only a vessel for a time, but the Spirit god gives you when HE GIVES YOU HIS SPIRIT, will live FOREVER! You will live forever. That is why god calls it LIFE EVER-LASTING.

Do not assume anything from what i write, If you do not understnad what I typed ASK! And i will post scripture for EVERY thing I said! It is 100% Scripturaly correct! May the truth if God be KEPT by us! Amen!

We do NOT recieve the Spirit when we ACCEPT God, or Jesus, We recieve the Holy Spirit when GOD GIVES IT TO US AT THE END OF REPENTANCE!
 
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The phrase "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" was adopted by denominational Pentecostals, and later codified by the Catholic Charismatic Renewal.
While I do realize that not all Continuationists believe in what is being referred to here as the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit", I do find it very ironic how some Cessationists will attempt to use the Catholic Charismatic Renewal in an attempt to vilify the topic of this discussion when Cessationism itself is standard Catholic doctrine.

Unfortunately many Cessationists treat Cesstionism as a stand alone doctrine when, in truth, that is hardly the case. Cesstionism is but one part of a much larger doctrine, a doctrine which also includes praying to "saints", the exoneration of the Virgin Mary and Amillennialism, all of which were birthed at the same time, in the same place and by the same small sect in the late 3rd / early fourth century A.D. only to be embraced and standardized by Emperor Constantine and his his new "universal" (Catholic) Church later on the 4th century.

I find it very hard to justify Cessationism considering that most Protestants dismiss half to 2/3s of the doctrine mentioned in the above paragraph as unscriptural. It stands to reason that all of the doctrine is indeed wrong.
 

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the Acts of the Apostles is all about ME!
who knew?
oooooyaaaaa!....oooooyaaaaa!
 
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Someone in another thread made a comment that what is now commonly referred to as the "Baptism of the Holy Ghost" in certaian denominational circles only occurred once. Using scripture, I will show how this position is inaccurate.

There are several places in scripture where the Holy Spirit made His presence felt in the lives of many, not just the original Apostles. However, for clarity's sake, let's start in the book of John, chapter 20, when a resurrected Jesus appears to His disciples:



Personally, I would equate the occurrence in John 20 as the initial salvation experience of Jesus' disciples seeing as the disciples now know without a doubt that the ressurected Jesus is indeed the Christ.

Scripture then speaks of a secondary occurrence; an enduement of power from on high for the fulfillment of the Great Commission. Look no further than Acts, chapters one and two for a scriptural example of this occurrence when the original 11 disciples and 109 others receive of of the Holy Spirit:



For further scriptural proof of yet another corporate physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit, look no further than Acts chapter 4 after Peter & John's arrest:



The original Apostles were not the only ones to receive the Holy Spirit in such manner. In Acts chapter 10, Cornelius (a Roman centurion) and his entire household of gentiles receive the Holy Spirit in like manner after God had revealed to Peter that salvation is for both the Jew & Gentile:



In Acts 19 we find another occurrence where yet another group of people receive of the Holy Spirit in similar manner:



As you can see, the notion that the Holy Spirit was only given once and only to a select number people is indeed scripturally inaccurate.


Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a one time thing per individual born again in the Spirit of Christ.

Yes this baptism happens over and over again as another person becomes born again but only once per individual.

It is a One Time Occurrance per person.

Ephesians 4:5 (KJV)
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

One baptism, is the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Baptizing each individual who has turned from there wickedness to follow Christ.


If we turn from the Holy Ghost returning to a life of sin; this is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. We are not baptized of the Holy Ghost again. This is the unforgivable sin spoken of in scripture. The denying the power of the Holy Ghost.

Luke 12:10 (KJV)
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

We see this denial of the Holy Ghost when Jesus was casting out devils.

Mark 3:30 (KJV)
30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

They denied the power of the Holy Ghost.


The Holy Ghost has the power to keep a man/woman/child from sinning again in there lives if they trust and believe in the power of the Holy Ghost.

To say we can never stop sinning and will always commit sin is denying the power of the Holy Ghost.

Yes temptation will always come but, sin only comes when we act upon the temptation and give into it.

James 1:13-15 (KJV)
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.




 
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gracethroughfaith

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#17
The phrase "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" was adopted by denominational Pentecostals, and later codified by the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. .
This is not fact: this baptism of the Holy Spirit was not a denominational man created beleif or teaching. This came from God and we see it in his WORD.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Hense the Baptism of the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost.
 
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AgapeSpiritEyes

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#19
To intellectualize the experience is not valid, ones reasoning is as ones efforts in understanding and experiencing one dimensional realms in this effort voiding of the actual experience, this point is not an exclusive critic of anyone that has not experience Him Baptizing and filling them over flowingly but an entreaty to. While the experiencing of the precious person of the Holy Spirit filling you overflowing with cool refreshing spiritual water gushing out of your spirit soul and body is not obtainable by reasoning and in overly intellectualizing it as a third person hearer this only quenches Him for your own experience by simply opening your heart and soul to experience His beautiful baptism of living water gushing out of your soul from your belly out of your mouth surrounding you in the precious presence of Jesus so real and tangible that you can feel the living water of Jesus' love far beyond what you have ever experienced baptism is being fully surrounded feeling spiritual gushing living water that bathes and gushes out of your innermost being , that is why some were staggering around because it was tangible and felt and overwhelming, I can attest to all this for my own testimony. You can read on my personal.
 
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kenisyes

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#20
This is not fact: this baptism of the Holy Spirit was not a denominational man created beleif or teaching. This came from God and we see it in his WORD.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Hense the Baptism of the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost.
When the phrase was adopted by men, it was given a different meaning. We have to ask which of the two meanings is meant. The first, as you say, is in Scripture. The second is not.