Was Cain Sargon the Magnificent?

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Any historians out there among the group? I believe when Cain was banished from the Garden that he went into ancient Sumer and became Sargon of Akkad or Sargon the Magnificent. I believe he was responsible for the Babylonia religion which was a religion he started as revenge against God.
 
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Just a question...Was not Cain and or Cain's lineage wiped out in the flood and if so how could he be responsible for the Akkad/Sumer/Babylonian connection?

Cain did build the first city which was contrary to God's command to spread out.....!
 
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Sumer predated the flood. Babylonia predated the flood.
 
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Cain went to the land of Nod, which presumably no longer exists as a great flood wiped out all the earth.

Sumeria and Sargon would have existed well after the Flood that much is for certainty by reason that the history and historia mythologia surrounding him mention several ancient cities as all ready being in existence, and for fact it is claimed Sargon usurped power from the king of Kish. It would seem to me Sargon would have lived well after Tower of Babel and either shortly before or during the time of Moses.
 
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Cain went to the land of Nod, which presumably no longer exists as a great flood wiped out all the earth.

Sumeria and Sargon would have existed well after the Flood that much is for certainty by reason that the history and historia mythologia surrounding him mention several ancient cities as all ready being in existence, and for fact it is claimed Sargon usurped power from the king of Kish. It would seem to me Sargon would have lived well after Tower of Babel and either shortly before or during the time of Moses.
I have Sumer as existing 6000BCE. That predates the flood by a whole bunch. I have seen Sargon as being Nimrod but since Cain built the city of Unuk or Erech for his son Enoch in the 4th Chapter of Genesis. That city was found and excavated by a Professor Sayce who found the city's name of Unuk inscribed on some of the excavated bricks.
 

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I have Sumer as existing 6000BCE. That predates the flood by a whole bunch. I have seen Sargon as being Nimrod but since Cain built the city of Unuk or Erech for his son Enoch in the 4th Chapter of Genesis. That city was found and excavated by a Professor Sayce who found the city's name of Unuk inscribed on some of the excavated bricks.
What are your extra biblical sources?
 
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I have Sumer as existing 6000BCE. That predates the flood by a whole bunch. I have seen Sargon as being Nimrod but since Cain built the city of Unuk or Erech for his son Enoch in the 4th Chapter of Genesis. That city was found and excavated by a Professor Sayce who found the city's name of Unuk inscribed on some of the excavated bricks.
Sumeria Empire was founded estimated by Sargon around 2000-2500 BC. This empire was founded via conquest of all ready existent kingdoms and city states. This fits well into the Bible post-Flood narrative which mentioned such cities as Babel, Akkad, Uruk/Erech in Shinar and Ninevah, Calah, and Rehoboth-Ir in Assyria as coming into existence around the time of the Tower of Babel created by the grandsons of Noah, Nimrod and Asshur.

Considerring many of those cities were mentioned as conquered by Sargon of Akkad (and thus existing before him), this puts Sargon solidly as living sometime between post-Flood Genesis and Exodus.
 
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What are your extra biblical sources?
First and foremost, the Internet.
Sargon the Magnificent by Mrs. Sydney Bristowe Canada V3N IB8
Sumer and Akkad by L. King Pensacola Library
 
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Sumeria Empire was founded estimated by Sargon around 2000-2500 BC. This empire was founded via conquest of all ready existent kingdoms and city states. This fits well into the Bible post-Flood narrative which mentioned such cities as Babel, Akkad, Uruk/Erech in Shinar and Ninevah, Calah, and Rehoboth-Ir in Assyria as coming into existence around the time of the Tower of Babel created by the grandsons of Noah, Nimrod and Asshur.

Considerring many of those cities were mentioned as conquered by Sargon of Akkad (and thus existing before him), this puts Sargon solidly as living sometime between post-Flood Genesis and Exodus.
Not according to the archeologist who excavated the city Cain built for his son which is considered to be Nod or Sumer.
 
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Not according to the archeologist who excavated the city Cain built for his son which is considered to be Nod or Sumer.
I would say that archaeolgist is either confused or a liar then as the city of Enoch was destroyed by the catastrophic and global Flood and its location is unknown by reason that there is much evidence the Flood was massively cataclysmic.

This theory is also not compatible with the intra-Sumerian history and historia mythologia nor is compatible with the hard evidences that state Sargon's conquests. Again, for fact that several cities, Akkad even of his title, were existent before Sargon this can only mean logically that Sargon had to lived sometime after the Flood and after Nimrod and Asshur.
 
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I would say that archaeolgist is either confused or a liar then as the city of Enoch was destroyed by the catastrophic and global Flood and its location is unknown by reason that there is much evidence the Flood was massively cataclysmic.

This theory is also not compatible with the intra-Sumerian history and historia mythologia nor is compatible with the hard evidences that state Sargon's conquests. Again, for fact that several cities, Akkad even of his title, were existent before Sargon this can only mean logically that Sargon had to lived sometime after the Flood and after Nimrod and Asshur.
What say you concerning Jerico? Jerico has been dated at 10000 - 9000 BCE. This predates even Uruk. Actually, it even predates Adam.

As far as the archeologist lying, I can't attest to that. One might think he would have been forced to produce some of those bricks he found though?
 

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What say you concerning Jerico? Jerico has been dated at 10000 - 9000 BCE. This predates even Uruk. Actually, it even predates Adam.

As far as the archeologist lying, I can't attest to that. One might think he would have been forced to produce some of those bricks he found though?
Predates Adam?
Houston, we have a problem.
 
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Sumer predated the flood. Babylonia predated the flood.
Babylonia started with Nimrod and the Tower to reach the heavens BABEL after the flood so where do you get your knowledge from!
 
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Babylonia started with Nimrod and the Tower to reach the heavens BABEL after the flood so where do you get your knowledge from!
I'll ask you. What about Jerico? 10000-9000 BCE.
 
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Predates Adam?
Houston, we have a problem.
It's one we need to answer alright. Kinda like what happened to Neanthernal man and the dinosaurs.
 
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The only answer is the cross and nothing else. By looking to all this junk means that we are trying to find away other than the cross and it will not happen. It will only bring heartache and pain.
 
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The only answer is the cross and nothing else. By looking to all this junk means that we are trying to find away other than the cross and it will not happen. It will only bring heartache and pain.
Stick your head in the sand and close your eyes? That's not an option. Reconciling history and the Bible takes absolutely nothing at all away from Christ's work on the cross. Be not afraid. Fear is for the illiterate and unlearned.
 
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What say you concerning Jerico? Jerico has been dated at 10000 - 9000 BCE. This predates even Uruk. Actually, it even predates Adam.

As far as the archeologist lying, I can't attest to that. One might think he would have been forced to produce some of those bricks he found though?
Sounds like modern atheist revisionists trying to still fit in their old earth fantasy which is rapidly collapsing under its own weight and the weight of the real evidences. All dates for anything past 5000 BC are arbitrary guesses typically founded on either 1. Disproven techniques like radio-atomic dating or 2. Unproven or disproven theories such as evolution, cultural evolution, etc. which are essentially defunct now due to the increase in knowledge which shows a more robust and active past of human history.

Hard supporting evidences and logic for Jericho indicate it was destroyed in exactly as manner described in Book of Joshua as well as evidences that show it was rebuilt (which is supported also by the biblical Books of Kings.) There is only hard proof for one age of Jericho pre-Joshua in which it was inhabitted by the Canaanite Race which is supported well by Genesis and the other books of the Torah and the later histories of that time era like Joshua.

Since the only hard, non-theoretical evidence and history that exists in this current time show inhabitation by Canaanites, that Jericho's walls were indeed destroyed by God during time of Joshua in exactly the manner the book of Joshua describes, and since we know the Canaanites dwelt in the Levant after the dispersal of nations we can logically conclude Jericho first came into existence also sometime between post-Tower of Babel and pre-Joshua. Additionally we know that Jericho could have only existed post-Flood since Canaan, the namesake and patriarch of the Canaanite race did himself not even exist until after the Flood.
 
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Sounds like modern atheist revisionists trying to still fit in their old earth fantasy which is rapidly collapsing under its own weight and the weight of the real evidences. All dates for anything past 5000 BC are arbitrary guesses typically founded on either 1. Disproven techniques like radio-atomic dating or 2. Unproven or disproven theories such as evolution, cultural evolution, etc. which are essentially defunct now due to the increase in knowledge which shows a more robust and active past of human history.


Hard supporting evidences and logic for Jericho indicate it was destroyed in exactly as manner described in Book of Joshua as well as evidences that show it was rebuilt (which is supported also by the biblical Books of Kings.) There is only hard proof for one age of Jericho pre-Joshua in which it was inhabitted by the Canaanite Race which is supported well by Genesis and the other books of the Torah and the later histories of that time era like Joshua.

Since the only hard, non-theoretical evidence and history that exists in this current time show inhabitation by Canaanites, that Jericho's walls were indeed destroyed by God during time of Joshua in exactly the manner the book of Joshua describes, and since we know the Canaanites dwelt in the Levant after the dispersal of nations we can logically conclude Jericho first came into existence also sometime between post-Tower of Babel and pre-Joshua. Additionally we know that Jericho could have only existed post-Flood since Canaan, the namesake and patriarch of the Canaanite race did himself not even exist until after the Flood.
I guess we need to trash all our encyclopedias then. Even the internet ones. You mean the dinosaurs only disappeared a couple of hundred years ago too? My my.

My encyclopedia says they have unearthed eight different civilizations at Jerico dating back to almost 10000BCE. But is guess it's wrong and the earth is really just a few thousand years old and created in six 24 hour days.
 
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cain was pre flood...sargon was post flood and post babel...so no they are not the same person...

the closest name to 'sargon' in the bible would be serug...abraham's great grandfather...but they are probably not the same either...