Was God dead for three days?

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Crazy4GODword

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You believe they three are God but claim not to be a Trinity believer........YOU ARE CONFUSING!!!!
 
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PneumaPsucheSoma

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Crazy4GODword said:
ok just for me to get a better understanding of what you are saying tell me then pneuma what is the meaning of Person
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You tell ME. I'm not the one who says God is three of them. Neither does scripture. What is the meaning of person(s). (A biblical meaning would help, not a modern dictionary.)

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so then you agree Jesus is God.....because i read that quote LOL :D
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Yes. The F-S-HS are ALL God. I'm gonna post my affirmations on my profile so you won't keep asking all this.

Crazy4GODword said:
what are you talking bout bro.....I can show many scriptures showing Trinity
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You show me ONE scripture that refers to the Father and the Holy Spirit as "persons", and I'll sign over my Cadillac CTS-V to you.

Just because the F-S-HS are three and distinct and Deity isn't Trinity. You THINK you can because you see scripture through Trinity spectacles. It ain't in there.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
You tell ME. I'm not the one who says God is three of them. Neither does scripture. What is the meaning of person(s). (A biblical meaning would help, not a modern dictionary.)



Yes. The F-S-HS are ALL God. I'm gonna post my affirmations on my profile so you won't keep asking all this.



You show me ONE scripture that refers to the Father and the Holy Spirit as "persons", and I'll sign over my Cadillac CTS-V to you.

Just because the F-S-HS are three and distinct and Deity isn't Trinity. You THINK you can because you see scripture through Trinity spectacles. It ain't in there.
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whew...ok I might get jumpy like pop corn so hold ya bowls
1...i think person is the same for everything that has the word person....which means someone that exists....or has a character.

#2 that post wasn't towards you but livingbygrace lol :D

3# again it does specifically say person but it gives us insight of the Trinity through words like "Us", etc
the way you make it sound is like well if kangaroos are not in the bible does that mean they exist? the way you put it it sounds silly..

you claim them three as one God and say it isn't Trinity....confusing,,, forget the person it is about the position of the three....they are God :)

But let this BE MY OPINION BRO :D
 
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PneumaPsucheSoma

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Crazy4GODword said:
whew...ok I might get jumpy like pop corn so hold ya bowls
1...i think person is the same for everything that has the word person....which means someone that exists....or has a character.

#2 that post wasn't towards you but livingbygrace lol :D

3# again it does specifically say person but it gives us insight of the Trinity through words like "Us", etc
the way you make it sound is like well if kangaroos are not in the bible does that mean they exist? the way you put it it sounds silly..
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That's not at all what I'm doing; it's actually the reverse. It's like YOU saying God is a kangaroo when He didn't say that at all.

you claim them three as one God and say it isn't Trinity....confusing,,, forget the person it is about the position of the three....they are God :)

But let this BE MY OPINION BRO :D
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Opinion is irrelevant, including mine. It's about the Word and the Spirit.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
That's not at all what I'm doing; it's actually the reverse. It's like YOU saying God is a kangaroo when He didn't say that at all.



Opinion is irrelevant, including mine. It's about the Word and the Spirit.
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haha bro never said God was a kangaroo LOL :D
 
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jasonfight7 said:
The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2).

" He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."

A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.

"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." - 2 Corinthians 5:21

If God was in the flesh, Jesus, and died for three days, Does this mean that God, Creator of Heavens and Earth, dies as well?
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the word became flesh: not God became flesh.
 
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GraceBeUntoYou said:
You need to realize that God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. By that, I do not mean that Jesus is the Father, and I do not mean the Father is the Spirit, or any other variation of the such. Literally, God is three distinct Persons. If you turn to Isaiah 48, beginning at v. 9:
For the sake of My name I delay My wrath,
And for My praise I restrain it for you,
In order not to cut you off.

Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver;
I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.

For My own sake, for My own sake, I will act;
For how can My name be profaned?
And My glory I will not give to another.

Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.

Surely My hand founded the earth,
And My right hand spread out the heavens;
When I call to them, they stand together.

[FONT=&quot]Assemble, all of you, and listen![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Who among them has declared these things?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The LORD loves him; he will carry out His good pleasure on Babylon,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And His arm will be against the Chaldeans. [/FONT]

I, even I, have spoken; indeed I have called him,
I have brought him, and He will make his ways successful.

Come near to Me, listen to this:
From the first I have not spoken in secret,
From the time it took place, I was there
And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit.
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In Isaiah 48, we have 'the first and the last,' the Creator ('Surely My hand founded the earth, And My right hand spread out the heavens') speaking, yet, He says in v. 16, that He and the Spirit were sent by God. So we have God sending God, and God. We have three Persons here. We have the 'Lord GOD' that has sent 'Me,' and 'His Spirit.' But yet this very same 'Me' is the Creator, the first and the last. Here in Isaiah 48 we have the pre-incarnate Christ speaking. We have the Father, sending the Word (Christ), and the Spirit.

Likewise, turn to Genesis 1:26, which says, "Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.'" Who is the 'Us'? Who is the 'Our'? God -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. John 17:5, Jesus says, 'Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.'

It is clear, that there are three distinct Persons, and they're all called God. For the sake of time, I won't list every verse that proclaims each, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as God, otherwise, I'd be here for hours. 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Peter 1:17 proclaims that the Father is God. John 1:1-14, Hebrews 1:8-12 proclaim that Jesus is God. And Acts 5:1-4, Hebrews 3:7-11 proclaims that the Holy Spirit is God. Though, they're three distinct Person, Deuteronomy 6:4 proclaims that God is One. Not three separate Gods, but One God. How can that be? How can three Persons be One God?

I think the best illustration that helps paint the 'Trinity,' is found in Galatians 3:28. It'll help give you that mental image of what I mean by 'three distinct Persons, but One God.' Galatians 3:28 says, 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.' Likewise, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are One in the Godhead, One God. Another way of looking at it is pictured in Mark 10:6-8, which states, ‘But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.’ The Greek term 'echad,' which is the term used in Deuteronomy 6:4 for 'one,' means, 'compound unity,' and is the same term used in Galatians 3:28, when it says, 'here is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus,' as well as in Mark 10:6-8, 'But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.’

What's even more interesting is that Scripture declares that not only the Father raised Jesus from the dead, but the Spirit also raised Christ from the dead, and even goes to say that Christ raised His own self up from the dead. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit work in unity, together, and not separately:
Galatians 1:1, “Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead),”

John 2:19-21, “Jesus answered them, ‘Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.’ The Jews then said, ‘It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?’ But He was speaking of the temple of His body.”

Romans 8:11, “But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.”
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With that said, I'll conclude with John 17:11, which states, "I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are."
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i have got no clue where you are coming from,and where you are going.
 
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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
God is NOT the Father. The Father is a constituent part of God, just like the Word and the Holy Spirit. God is F-S-HS. The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, not the Father's Spirit.

I'm not being adversarial in the least, BTW. It just does little good for me to begin laying it all out if others aren't searching for a deeper truth. Everyone is TELLING what they think God's constitution is. I've not seen anyone really ASKING to know more. That's why I've hammered on "persons" so hard, but everyone stands fast with an understanding based on incomplete inference.

Think... If God weren't three "persons", yet the F-S-HS are distinct and not each other... What would this singular Divinity be?
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I apologize for my comment in advance. Whenever I read anything you post it's almost as if you are writing in another language. Maybe it's philosophical, psychotic, or intellectual ramblings of some sort. What ever it is I just can't seem to connect at all. Maybe if you posted in a plain & simple manner as Yeshua did people would get a better grasp.
 
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Tigger2 said:
I apologize for my comment in advance. Whenever I read anything you post it's almost as if you are writing in another language. Maybe it's philosophical, psychotic, or intellectual ramblings of some sort. What ever it is I just can't seem to connect at all. Maybe if you posted in a plain & simple manner as Yeshua did people would get a better grasp.
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That's what they said to Jesus. Jesus spoke in parables that He then had to explain to His own disciples. Jesus had to open their understanding before He ascended.

There isn't any philosphical or psychotic content in what I say. It may be too intellectual for you. The carnal mind doesn't comprehend the things of the Spirit.

I'll post a very simple truth in an upcoming thread.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
Yep. Want me to share how?

How ya feelin'? Sore? Loopy?
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Sure, would love to know how

Yeah, sore. but not loopy. Have not taken anything narcotic. I guess I am blessed this time so far;
 
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