Was God the Father angry with us?

[Grace777x70]

When you first heard the gospel message, were you presented with an image of God the Father eager to pour out his wrath of judgment upon you for your sins, but Jesus on the cross standing in between to save you? This presents a false image. I came to reveal the Father. My disciples asked me to show them the Father and I said he who had seen me had seen the Father. On another occasion I declared that I and my Father were one. Still again I said that the Father himself loves you. The Father and I are not at cross purposes concerning you. What more could I say? How could I make it any clearer?

 

[Willie-T]

It is a wonder I ever became a Christian due to foolishness like that hatefulness preached in the churches I once attended.

 

[Grace777x70]

I agree Willie...it is dis-graceful how our Father has been portrayed!

It is a wonder I ever became a Christian due to foolishness like that hatefulness preached in the churches I once attended.

 

[Dan_473]

When you first heard the gospel message, were you presented with an image of God the Father eager to pour out his wrath of judgment upon you for your sins, but Jesus on the cross standing in between to save you?

yep, that's what I heard.

 

[Grace777x70]

--Me too buddy!

Thank God that Jesus is the exact representation of the Father!...if we view the Father through the "lens" of Jesus..we will have to throw out a lot of religious nonsense we were taught...of course we will be accused of not believing God's word not obeying him..it just goes with the territory of being a heretic in some eyes..lol

yep, that's what I heard.

 

[didymos]

Let's see: you can't see the Father without the Son (John 14:6) - or the HS for that matter- they are One. God had every right to punish us, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23). We should be grateful that He didn't punish us like in the days of Noah. He who reconciled us to himself through Christ (2 Cor 5:18) instead, because we were unable to do so ourselves. God has every right to His wrath, but remember that wrath is dwarfed by His great love for us, like it says in Ex 20: [SUP]5[/SUP].. for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, [SUP]6 [/SUP]but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

 

[Grace777x70]

Thank God..Jesus came and changed everything!!!!

Let's see: you can't see the Father without the Son (John 14:6) - or the HS for that matter- they are One. God had every right to punish us, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23). We should be grateful that He didn't punish us like in the days of Noah. He who reconciled us to himself through Christ (2 Cor 5:18) instead, because we were unable to do so ourselves. God has every right to His wrath, but remember that wrath is dwarfed by His great love for us, like it says in Ex 20: [SUP]5[/SUP].. for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, [SUP]6 [/SUP]but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

 

[Ahwatukee]

When you first heard the gospel message, were you presented with an image of God the Father eager to pour out his wrath of judgment upon you for your sins, but Jesus on the cross standing in between to save you? This presents a false image. I came to reveal the Father. My disciples asked me to show them the Father and I said he who had seen me had seen the Father. On another occasion I declared that I and my Father were one. Still again I said that the Father himself loves you. The Father and I are not at cross purposes concerning you. What more could I say? How could I make it any clearer?

Hi Grace,

I wouldn't say that God the Father was eager to pour out his wrath, rather his desire is for all those whom he chose to believe in his Son so that they would not perish. It is more of an issue of justice and righteousness and that because all sin must be account for. For those who have received Christ, he was held accountable for our sins. But for those who continue to reject Christ and die in that state, then they themselves will be held accountable for their own sins. The following verse demonstrates everyone's state with God who is not in Christ:

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them.

The above was also the state of those before coming to Christ. Outside of Christ an individual is in a state of separation from God and that because of sin and if they die in that state, then they will partake of God's wrath. But when a person receives Christ as the One who paid the penalty for their sins, then since Christ has already satisfied the wrath because of our sins, then we are free. We have been reconciled to God through Christ's sacrifice.

If anyone has any doubts about God's wrath against the unsaved, one only has to look to Christ to see the wrath he suffered to pay the price for our sins.

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

 

[Grace777x70]

It is that very love that He has for us that will torment us when we choose to not accept His free gift of life in our Lord!..good stuff!

Hi Grace,

I wouldn't say that God the Father was eager to pour out his wrath, rather his desire is for all those whom he chose to believe in his Son so that they would not perish. It is more of an issue of justice and righteousness and that because all sin must be account for. For those who have received Christ, he was held accountable for our sins. But for those who continue to reject Christ and die in that state, then they themselves will be held accountable for their own sins. The following verse demonstrates everyone's state with God who is not in Christ:

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them.

The above was also the state of those before coming to Christ. Outside of Christ an individual is in a state of separation from God and that because of sin and if they die in that state, then they will partake of God's wrath. But when a person receives Christ as the One who paid the penalty for their sins, then since Christ has already satisfied the wrath because of our sins, then we are free. We have been reconciled to God through Christ's sacrifice.

If anyone has any doubts about God's wrath against the unsaved, one only has to look to Christ to see wrath he suffered to pay the price for our sins.

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Don't kid yourself that GOD's holiness didn't desire to pour out his wrath on you. That's a part of who GOD is. Why do you take only the parts you like and ignore the rest?

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:30-31

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God [is] a consuming fire. Hebrews 12:28-29​

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes...it is a terrifying thing to be in the presence of the Lord without Christ!!! Thank God ..Jesus took all our judgment!

Don't kid yourself that GOD's holiness didn't desire to pour out his wrath on you. That's a part of who GOD is. Why do you take only the parts you like and ignore the rest?

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:30-31

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God [is] a consuming fire. Hebrews 12:28-29​

 

[Grace777x70]

Us Christians have God's holiness now! God is thrice holy!!! That's why we needed Christ to take our place..Thank God He has made us accepted in the beloved!

God's grace in Christ is awesome!
Ephesians 1:6-7 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;



1 Corinthians 1:30 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

Don't kid yourself that GOD's holiness didn't desire to pour out his wrath on you. That's a part of who GOD is. Why do you take only the parts you like and ignore the rest?

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:30-31

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God [is] a consuming fire. Hebrews 12:28-29​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Us Christians have God's holiness now! God is thrice holy!!! That's why we needed Christ to take our place..Thank God He has made us accepted in the beloved!

That's right because his holiness put you to death through Christ.

 

[Grace777x70]

Thank God for our great salvation in Christ! He is awesome!!!

That's right because his holiness put you to death through Christ.

 

[Dan_473]

Don't kid yourself that GOD's holiness didn't desire to pour out his wrath on you. That's a part of who GOD is. Why do you take only the parts you like and ignore the rest?

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:30-31

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God [is] a consuming fire. Hebrews 12:28-29​

I'll be honest here and say I'm not sure I accept that... (or maybe I just don't understand it)... how does holiness equal killing or torturing?

Jesus was around evil people... God talked with Adam and Eve after the Fall...

 

[Grandpa]

Don't kid yourself that GOD's holiness didn't desire to pour out his wrath on you. That's a part of who GOD is. Why do you take only the parts you like and ignore the rest?

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:30-31

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God [is] a consuming fire. Hebrews 12:28-29​

Its kind of a funny description (as in strange not haha...) to say Gods Holiness desired to pour His wrath on us.

Like saying that the light desired to pour out its wrath on the darkness.

Its a true statement but a funny description.

 

[Grace777x70]

God's holiness has very little to do with sin. Holiness means "other"...."completely different from everything else".... God before the foundation of the world was holy before sin was around.

We just have been taught by our religious upbringing to be sin-conscious so much that we zero in on sin as if it's the antithesis of God's holiness.

Sin has been deal with at the cross by the Lord Jesus Christ! Refuse His love and He will still love us. God's wrath is His love in action on the very thing that seeks to destroy those He loves dearly.

God is not wrath! God IS love. Any thoughts we have about the wrath of God/Lamb has to be looked at through the "lens" of the love of God.

Just some of my thoughts on it...

Its kind of a funny description (as in strange not haha...) to say Gods Holiness desired to pour His wrath on us.

Like saying that the light desired to pour out its wrath on the darkness.

Its a true statement but a funny description.

 

[Babylonisfalling]

Google God's Anger

When you first heard the gospel message, were you presented with an image of God the Father eager to pour out his wrath of judgment upon you for your sins, but Jesus on the cross standing in between to save you? This presents a false image. I came to reveal the Father. My disciples asked me to show them the Father and I said he who had seen me had seen the Father. On another occasion I declared that I and my Father were one. Still again I said that the Father himself loves you. The Father and I are not at cross purposes concerning you. What more could I say? How could I make it any clearer?

I just googled God's anger and got this in the first paragraph

Most readers of the Bible have noticed numerous references to the anger of God. Judging from some of these passages, it would seem that God is at least sometimes excessively angry. He says, "A fire is kindled in My anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell." (Deuteronomy 32:22) "And I myself will fight against you with an outstretched hand and with a strong arm, even in anger, and in fury, and in great wrath." (Jeremiah 21:5) In may seem that His anger is vicious, more than the offense would call for. One time the children of Israel were complaining, and "it displeased the Lord,...and His anger was kindled, and the fire of the Lord burnt among them and consumed" some of them. (Numbers 11:1) In some cases His anger even seems to harm the innocent: "My wrath shall become hot, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless." (Exodus 22:24)

That's the stuff, rather than the Gospel I think, which leads to a misunderstanding of God's "anger". God is Spirit and I sometimes wonder if God's Spirit even experiences anger as we understand it. Or maybe God experiences no anger at all despite our impressions from certain passages of Scripture.

God's anger may be a type of psychological anthropomorphism I think. Like God does not have hands but in order to help our heads around God, we speak of the hand of God. Maybe the anger of God is similar. As far as the bad things that can happen when we're not saved or even when we're not in good connection with God; I don't think God is sending down curses on us based on anger. I just think the more distant we make ourselves from God, the more likely it is that negative things will occur. That's not anger, jealousy, or vengeance but it may seem like it is when we're in the moment. For certain parts of Scripture to have been written with human emotions applied to God seems similar to applying (hands) to God.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Its kind of a funny description (as in strange not haha...) to say Gods Holiness desired to pour His wrath on us.

Like saying that the light desired to pour out its wrath on the darkness.

Its a true statement but a funny description.

I guess I was subconsciously thinking about the pouring out of the vials of wrath in Revelation.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I'll be honest here and say I'm not sure I accept that... (or maybe I just don't understand it)... how does holiness equal killing or torturing?

Jesus was around evil people... God talked with Adam and Eve after the Fall...

If it wasn't for GOD's mercy, the wrath of his holiness would consume us.

[It is of] the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not. Lamentations 3:22​