Was Nicodemus saved?

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MOC

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Nicodemus was a Pharisee and a member of the Sanhedrin, who in his first encounter with Jesus, came to Him in secret during the night. He was a Jew and a highly respected teacher of the Old Testament and feared criticism from the other members of the Sanhedrin. Nicodemus is mentioned three times, all in the book of John. John's passages concerning Nicodemus reveal that those who reject Christ as their Savior are missing the joy and peace of knowing their sins are totally forgiven when they die and will be in the comfort of our Heavenly Father. Imagine though, being Nicodemus and having our Lord tell you that all your accomplishments, wealth, and notoriety are not good enough to get you into Heaven. Unlike his counter parts, Nicodemus must have been under conviction after listening to Jesus' teachings. He must not have been able to just simply walk away, but rather had some strong desire deep within him to listen to Jesus' Divine Authority in which He speaks and heals. So the question is, was Nicodemus saved?

John 3:7-8 "Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the spirit." When Jesus says to "marvel not", He means do not dwell on how this new birth transfigures. He explains to Nicodemus that the wind blows where it wishes and we hear it but cannot tell where it came from. The same is true when receiving the Holy Spirit.

3 implications to Jewish culture concerning "new birth".
1.) It undercuts their dependence on being sons of Abraham.
2.) It reveals there must be a work of God, since the Jews considered children(new births) to be God's blessing.
3.) It teaches the necessity of a new beginning.

The three passages concerning Nicodemus, John seems to focus on his spiritual progression. Nicodemus' first encounter with Jesus, he is confused on being "born again" that our Savior speaks of. Jesus was probably not impressed with the depth of his faith in Him. At this point, Nicodemus accepted Jesus as a great teacher and wasn't quite ready to believe in Jesus' Divine Authority. Nicodemus had to hear the Word being taught to him and later as we will see, the convictions seem to be steadily growing. Jesus explained to him that being "born again" was not a physical birth, but rather a spiritual birth.

John 7:32-51 In these passages we find Nicodemus in his official title as a member of the Sanhedrin. The Pharisees had sent some of the temple guards to arrest Jesus, but "no man laid hands on him". At this point, we still do not know if Nicodemus believes in Jesus' Divinity or not. He says to the other members, "Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?" So, is it out of conviction that Nicodemus convinces the others that they should not condemn Jesus until after they had heard from Him?

John 19:38-39 In this passage we find the last time Nicodemus is mentioned in the book of John. Joseph of Arimathea, who was a secrete disciple of Jesus and who was also a member of the council, asks for Jesus' body for the preparing of His burial. There are some debate as to whether Nicodemus was a true believer at this point. Nicodemus, like Joseph of Arimathea, could have kept his discipleship secrete. In any case, Nicodemus was with Joseph preparing the burial of Christ. Its also worth noting that Nicodemus brought 75 pounds of spices, which is rather significant if he thought Jesus was just a great teacher.

Looking back at the passages of Nicodemus, it would seem that he went through some sort of change in himself. After listening to Jesus teach, he could have went through some strong convictions in his heart. The bible doesn't give us a clear indication of Nicodemus' faith. Many church leaders believe that by the time of Jesus' burial, Nicodemus was a born again Christian. Believers in Nicodemus' faith point to how he responds to Jesus' teachings. With respect. He doesn't try to corner Jesus, trying to make Him out to be a fraud, in which many unbelievers always tried to do. Also, we can't exclude Nicodemus defending Jesus at one point while others were condemning Him. The scene at the burial could be portrayed as two brothers in Christ mourning over the loss(temporarily) of their Savior. Do the passages about Nicodemus describe a person with a genuine saving faith or do they describe someone not having enough faith to bring them in need of a true Savior?
 

p_rehbein

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There is no Scriptural evidence that he repented and became a disciple of Jesus. However, I believe there is a Scripture that states he was a part of a crowd who was following after Jesus. The Book, Chapter and Verse escape me right now.

Still, saying he was or was not saved is mere speculation IMO.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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Not everyone gets what "born again" means in the beginning; I am sure we all asked questions. I believe Nicodemus was likely saved because he wanted to learn and understand, and was open to believing (if he understood). Also, he treated Jesus with a lot of respect.
 

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Many church leaders believe that by the time of Jesus' burial, Nicodemus was a born again Christian.
Before Jesus' resurrection? Before the disciples received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost?
 

Nehemiah6

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There is no Scriptural evidence that he repented and became a disciple of Jesus.
That is not correct.

NICODEMUS STOOD UP FOR CHRIST
Nicodemus saith unto them, (he that came to Jesus by night, being one of them,) Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth? They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet. (John7:50-52)

NICODEMUS ASSISTED IN GIVING CHRIST A PROPER BURIAL
And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus. And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight. Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury. (John 19:38-40)

Those burial spices were by no means cheap. But Nicodemus spent a small fortune to ensure that Jesus was properly entombed. He was clearly saved and a disciple of Christ. He was not ashamed to be associated with the crucified Savior.
 

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Those burial spices were by no means cheap. Those burial spices were by no means cheap. But Nicodemus spent a small fortune to ensure that Jesus was properly entombed. He was clearly saved and a disciple of Christ. He was not ashamed to be associated with the crucified Savior.
I did not realize salvation could be bought.
 

MOC

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Before Jesus' resurrection? Before the disciples received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost?
Many church officials and leaders believe before Pentecost people were saved in the same manner in which Abraham and others of the Old Testament were. Romans 4:3, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness."
 

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Nicodemus certainly acted like a man with faith.

"Nicodemus, who had gone to him (Jesus) before, and who was one of them (a Pharisee), said to them, 'Does our law judge a man without first giving him a hearing and learning what he does?' " (John 7:50:51)

"And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds." (John 19:40)

The next time someone accuses you of being a religious Pharisee just say "Thank you. Nicodemus is my mentor!!"
 
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I believe nic was saved, his nightly teaching that jesus gave him was actually against jewish custom of teaching.
At night he did not want to be seen as to his inquiries and who with.
But then outwardly he assisted with the burial rights of CHRIST.
It is worthy to note that his actions could of cost him his reputation and possibly his position . For he was a well known teacher in israel.
But this story shows GODs order" the older shall serve the younger."
 
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pottersclay

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I believe nic was saved, his nightly teaching that jesus gave him was actually against jewish custom of teaching.
At night he did not want to be seen as to his inquiries and with whom.
But then outwardly he assisted with the burial rights of CHRIST.
It is worthy to note that his actions could of cost him his reputation and possibly his position . For he was a well known teacher in israel.
But this story shows GODs order" the older shall serve the younger."
 

PennEd

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Those burial spices were by no means cheap. But Nicodemus spent a small fortune to ensure that Jesus was properly entombed. He was clearly saved and a disciple of Christ. He was not ashamed to be associated with the crucified Savior.
This act displayed a great amount of respect, and possibly even love, for Jesus. But I don't think it automatically means He's saved. The Holy Spirit included this detail in Scripture for a reason.

He likely is, but where is he after Jesus' resurrection? Where is he as Stephen is getting stoned? Does he preach the Gospel? Maybe he is just like so many of us that heard the Gospel, believed and then was unfruitful. He may be considered one of those in the 3rd soil category, who are saved, but will only have Christ as a foundation, with nothing built on it.

We simply don't know. And I think that's the way God wants it.
 
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Before Jesus' resurrection? Before the disciples received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost?
John 20:22
22And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
 
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Nicodemus was a Pharisee and a member of the Sanhedrin, who in his first encounter with Jesus, came to Him in secret during the night. He was a Jew and a highly respected teacher of the Old Testament and feared criticism from the other members of the Sanhedrin. Nicodemus is mentioned three times, all in the book of John. John's passages concerning Nicodemus reveal that those who reject Christ as their Savior are missing the joy and peace of knowing their sins are totally forgiven when they die and will be in the comfort of our Heavenly Father. Imagine though, being Nicodemus and having our Lord tell you that all your accomplishments, wealth, and notoriety are not good enough to get you into Heaven. Unlike his counter parts, Nicodemus must have been under conviction after listening to Jesus' teachings. He must not have been able to just simply walk away, but rather had some strong desire deep within him to listen to Jesus' Divine Authority in which He speaks and heals. So the question is, was Nicodemus saved?

John 3:7-8 "Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the spirit." When Jesus says to "marvel not", He means do not dwell on how this new birth transfigures. He explains to Nicodemus that the wind blows where it wishes and we hear it but cannot tell where it came from. The same is true when receiving the Holy Spirit.

3 implications to Jewish culture concerning "new birth".
1.) It undercuts their dependence on being sons of Abraham.
2.) It reveals there must be a work of God, since the Jews considered children(new births) to be God's blessing.
3.) It teaches the necessity of a new beginning.

The three passages concerning Nicodemus, John seems to focus on his spiritual progression. Nicodemus' first encounter with Jesus, he is confused on being "born again" that our Savior speaks of. Jesus was probably not impressed with the depth of his faith in Him. At this point, Nicodemus accepted Jesus as a great teacher and wasn't quite ready to believe in Jesus' Divine Authority. Nicodemus had to hear the Word being taught to him and later as we will see, the convictions seem to be steadily growing. Jesus explained to him that being "born again" was not a physical birth, but rather a spiritual birth.

John 7:32-51 In these passages we find Nicodemus in his official title as a member of the Sanhedrin. The Pharisees had sent some of the temple guards to arrest Jesus, but "no man laid hands on him". At this point, we still do not know if Nicodemus believes in Jesus' Divinity or not. He says to the other members, "Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?" So, is it out of conviction that Nicodemus convinces the others that they should not condemn Jesus until after they had heard from Him?

John 19:38-39 In this passage we find the last time Nicodemus is mentioned in the book of John. Joseph of Arimathea, who was a secrete disciple of Jesus and who was also a member of the council, asks for Jesus' body for the preparing of His burial. There are some debate as to whether Nicodemus was a true believer at this point. Nicodemus, like Joseph of Arimathea, could have kept his discipleship secrete. In any case, Nicodemus was with Joseph preparing the burial of Christ. Its also worth noting that Nicodemus brought 75 pounds of spices, which is rather significant if he thought Jesus was just a great teacher.

Looking back at the passages of Nicodemus, it would seem that he went through some sort of change in himself. After listening to Jesus teach, he could have went through some strong convictions in his heart. The bible doesn't give us a clear indication of Nicodemus' faith. Many church leaders believe that by the time of Jesus' burial, Nicodemus was a born again Christian. Believers in Nicodemus' faith point to how he responds to Jesus' teachings. With respect. He doesn't try to corner Jesus, trying to make Him out to be a fraud, in which many unbelievers always tried to do. Also, we can't exclude Nicodemus defending Jesus at one point while others were condemning Him. The scene at the burial could be portrayed as two brothers in Christ mourning over the loss(temporarily) of their Savior. Do the passages about Nicodemus describe a person with a genuine saving faith or do they describe someone not having enough faith to bring them in need of a true Savior?
Honestly I don’t think Nicodemus was very smart. Not knocking him; just some people aren’t smart. I mean… he asked if a man can enter into his mother’s womb for a second time and then be born again. [insert facepalm here] That’s just silly. I’m inclined to think he was either being sarcastic or was a bit of a simpleton.

It seems even Jesus was a bit surprised by Nicodemus’s statements.

John 3:10
10Jesus answered and said to him, “You are the teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things?
 

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Nicodemus was a Pharisee and a member of the Sanhedrin, who in his first encounter with Jesus, came to Him in secret during the night. He was a Jew and a highly respected teacher of the Old Testament and feared criticism from the other members of the Sanhedrin. Nicodemus is mentioned three times, all in the book of John. John's passages concerning Nicodemus reveal that those who reject Christ as their Savior are missing the joy and peace of knowing their sins are totally forgiven when they die and will be in the comfort of our Heavenly Father. Imagine though, being Nicodemus and having our Lord tell you that all your accomplishments, wealth, and notoriety are not good enough to get you into Heaven. Unlike his counter parts, Nicodemus must have been under conviction after listening to Jesus' teachings. He must not have been able to just simply walk away, but rather had some strong desire deep within him to listen to Jesus' Divine Authority in which He speaks and heals. So the question is, was Nicodemus saved?

John 3:7-8 "Marvel not that I said unto thee, ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the spirit." When Jesus says to "marvel not", He means do not dwell on how this new birth transfigures. He explains to Nicodemus that the wind blows where it wishes and we hear it but cannot tell where it came from. The same is true when receiving the Holy Spirit.

3 implications to Jewish culture concerning "new birth".
1.) It undercuts their dependence on being sons of Abraham.
2.) It reveals there must be a work of God, since the Jews considered children(new births) to be God's blessing.
3.) It teaches the necessity of a new beginning.

The three passages concerning Nicodemus, John seems to focus on his spiritual progression. Nicodemus' first encounter with Jesus, he is confused on being "born again" that our Savior speaks of. Jesus was probably not impressed with the depth of his faith in Him. At this point, Nicodemus accepted Jesus as a great teacher and wasn't quite ready to believe in Jesus' Divine Authority. Nicodemus had to hear the Word being taught to him and later as we will see, the convictions seem to be steadily growing. Jesus explained to him that being "born again" was not a physical birth, but rather a spiritual birth.

John 7:32-51 In these passages we find Nicodemus in his official title as a member of the Sanhedrin. The Pharisees had sent some of the temple guards to arrest Jesus, but "no man laid hands on him". At this point, we still do not know if Nicodemus believes in Jesus' Divinity or not. He says to the other members, "Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?" So, is it out of conviction that Nicodemus convinces the others that they should not condemn Jesus until after they had heard from Him?

John 19:38-39 In this passage we find the last time Nicodemus is mentioned in the book of John. Joseph of Arimathea, who was a secrete disciple of Jesus and who was also a member of the council, asks for Jesus' body for the preparing of His burial. There are some debate as to whether Nicodemus was a true believer at this point. Nicodemus, like Joseph of Arimathea, could have kept his discipleship secrete. In any case, Nicodemus was with Joseph preparing the burial of Christ. Its also worth noting that Nicodemus brought 75 pounds of spices, which is rather significant if he thought Jesus was just a great teacher.

Looking back at the passages of Nicodemus, it would seem that he went through some sort of change in himself. After listening to Jesus teach, he could have went through some strong convictions in his heart. The bible doesn't give us a clear indication of Nicodemus' faith. Many church leaders believe that by the time of Jesus' burial, Nicodemus was a born again Christian. Believers in Nicodemus' faith point to how he responds to Jesus' teachings. With respect. He doesn't try to corner Jesus, trying to make Him out to be a fraud, in which many unbelievers always tried to do. Also, we can't exclude Nicodemus defending Jesus at one point while others were condemning Him. The scene at the burial could be portrayed as two brothers in Christ mourning over the loss(temporarily) of their Savior. Do the passages about Nicodemus describe a person with a genuine saving faith or do they describe someone not having enough faith to bring them in need of a true Savior?
John 3:1-2 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Many Pharisees believed Jesus was from God because of the miracles He did but that does not mean they thought He was the Savior.

John 7:48-53 Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him?

49But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed.

50Nicodemus saith unto them, (he that came to Jesus by night, being one of them,)

51Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?

52They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.

53And every man went unto his own house.

Nicodemus went against the Pharisees saying they should find out about Jesus before judging Him so he might of been leaning towards following Jesus as the Savior.

But maybe Nicodemus did not fully realize that Jesus was claiming to be the Savior so he might have accepted Jesus as being from God but not as the Savior or he might of stopped believing Jesus is from God later on.

John 19:38-39 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.

And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.

Nicodemus might have believed that Jesus is the Savior for he participated in the burial of Jesus bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes which myrrh represents suffering and aloes healing.

We do not know for sure if Nicodemus was saved because the Bible does not say he said Jesus is the Savior but he went against the Pharisees concerning Jesus and he participated in the burial of Jesus bring myrrh and aloes so it seems like it would be leaning towards him being saved.

Also he did not try to trap Jesus in His talking like the other Pharisees were trying to do.
 

Magenta

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Many church officials and leaders believe before Pentecost people were saved in the same manner in which Abraham and others of the Old Testament were. Romans 4:3, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness."
What prisoners did Jesus set free, and free from what, or where, if they were
already
saved, when He descended, after His crucifixion, before His resurrection?
(Ephesians 4:9; 1 Peter 3:19) Please note: I am not disputing that they had
faith. Is not one saved when the Holy Spirit takes up residence within a believer?


John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if
I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of
judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go
to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
 

MOC

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What prisoners did Jesus set free, and free from what, or where, if they were
already
saved, when He descended, after His crucifixion, before His resurrection?
(Ephesians 4:9; 1 Peter 3:19) Please note: I am not disputing that they had
faith. Is not one saved when the Holy Spirit takes up residence within a believer?


John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if
I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of
judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go
to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
Absolutely. When someone accepts Jesus for who He is and what He done for all of us, the Holy Spirit "takes up residence within the believer". How this occurs is different for every believer in Christ. Remember Cornelius' family being saved? Also, in Acts 4:31, buildings were shaken as the Holy Spirit came down upon those who believed. As for the prisoners or spirits referred to in 1 Peter 3:19, that has been up for interpretation. More studying needs to be involved in that. lol But Paul speaks of how people of the Old Testament were saved in Romans chapter 4. God Bless!
 

Nehemiah6

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This act displayed a great amount of respect, and possibly even love, for Jesus. But I don't think it automatically means He's saved. The Holy Spirit included this detail in Scripture for a reason.
You are trying to argue from silence, which is not valid. There were thousands of Jews who were saved at Pentecost and shortly thereafter. We hear nothing more about them, but that does not automatically mean that they were unfruitful. The very fact that Nicodemus came to Jesus and then stood up for Him later should be sufficient that the Holy Spirit was working on Him. And while all the disciples fled after the crucifixion, this man did something extraordinary. For all we know, he may have been with Joseph of Arimathea when Joseph approached Pilate for the body of Christ. If that does not tell you anything then you have already pre-judged this disciple of Christ negatively. And we are told not to judge God's servants. They both were probably older men and we really don't know what happened to them,
 

Nehemiah6

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I did not realize salvation could be bought.
What a ridiculous statement! Who do you think was buying salvation? So one could say that all your art work is also buying salvation. And that would be plain stupid.