Was the Catholic Church founded by Jesus himself?
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My two cents..plus a little change
I would suggest its one of those things that if they are saved they are in a dark place and need the light of the gospel.
In the end of the matter they base their faith on the teaching of men as must to seek their approval. This is by setting up what the scriptures refers to as a daysman , an infallible interpreter…. as if God was a man as us to go between Him not seen and man seen as a umpire that that determines to outcome of the understanding of the scriptures.
It’s the same pattern as a “law of the fathers” (commandments of men) that the outward Jews served and was reformed by the first century reformation. They are carbon copy of the fifteenth century reformation where killing the perceived competition (out of sight out of mind) was the kind of work men hoped would bring His kingdom here on earthand in doing so therefore making the warning found in Job to no effect so that they can serve the flesh (walking by sight) rather than the Spirit of faith not seen (walking by faith).
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.
Job 9:32
Eastman dictionary
Daysman
an umpire or arbiter or judge (Job 9:33). This word is formed
from the Latin diem dicere, i.e., to fix a day for hearing a
cause. Such an one is empowered by mutual consent to decide the
cause, and to "lay his hand", i.e., to impose his authority, on
both, and enforce his sentence.
Strongs lexicon 03198 yakach {yaw-kahh'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 865; v
AV - reprove 23, rebuke 12, correct 3, plead 3, reason 2, chasten 2, reprover + 0376 2, appointed 1, arguing 1, misc 9; 59
to prove, decide, judge, rebuke, reprove, correct, be right 1a) (Hiphil) 1a1) to decide, judge 1a2) to adjudge, appoint 1a3) to show to be right, prove 1a4) to convince, convict 1a5) to reprove, chide 1a6) to correct, rebuke 1b) (Hophal) to be chastened 1c) (Niphal) to reason, reason together 1d) (Hithp) to argue
The first thing when witnessing to Catholic I would offer is to ask them; do we need a man to teach us? The answer determines if they ignore the warning that informs us we do not need a man to teach us. That outcome determines if they would be classified as anti christs…. the many, that were there during the first century reformation. They went out from us because they were not of the “us” defined by the scripture From my experiences (ten years on a Catholic board) they do make that portion of scripture to no effect so that they then can rather seek the approval of that seen(Pope)… rather than that not seen, the faith principle.
They give that authority to their own denomination and claim they are not a denomination in respect to their high priest they call Holy One, our Holiness, or Holy Father, the Pope ….their appointed daysman…in the end of the matter robbing by usurping the authority of our Holy Father in heaven(not seen) of those titles that speak of his immutable attributes.
This is even though they are commanded to call no man on earth father. I am reminded of one of what I call a “think not” rebukes of Christ informing those who did usurp the authority of our father in heaven by walking by sight
Usurping the authrorty of our true Father in heaven
Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. Mat 3:5
There John the Baptist coming from the family of Levites qualifying he can perform the ceremonial law without the approval of the high priest (pope). He was baptizing gentiles. Who would later be referred to as stones to represent the lively stones that does make up the spiritual house of God the church, His eternal bride
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham (Peter) to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Mat 3:7-9
They would have another father other than our Father in heaven not seen as a anti-father as one seen (the Pope) . Replace the name Abraham with the name Peter in the verse above and we have Catholicism and Judsism in a nut shell
The apostate Jews did the same it is called; a law of the fathers. The difference is in the name they used as father as unto God. Again the Jews used the name Abraham to usurp the authority of our Father in heaven while the Catholics used the name Peter to accomplish the same purpose.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the (true) Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the (true) Father also. Let that therefore abiather) de in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the (true) Father.And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 1Jo 2:23-25
The warning they (antichrists) must make to no effect as it reads….
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1Jo 2:26-27
Not Abraham or Peter but the real Father in heaven not seen..... the faith principle.
I would suggest its one of those things that if they are saved they are in a dark place and need the light of the gospel.
In the end of the matter they base their faith on the teaching of men as must to seek their approval. This is by setting up what the scriptures refers to as a daysman , an infallible interpreter…. as if God was a man as us to go between Him not seen and man seen as a umpire that that determines to outcome of the understanding of the scriptures.
It’s the same pattern as a “law of the fathers” (commandments of men) that the outward Jews served and was reformed by the first century reformation. They are carbon copy of the fifteenth century reformation where killing the perceived competition (out of sight out of mind) was the kind of work men hoped would bring His kingdom here on earthand in doing so therefore making the warning found in Job to no effect so that they can serve the flesh (walking by sight) rather than the Spirit of faith not seen (walking by faith).
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.
Job 9:32
Eastman dictionary
Daysman
an umpire or arbiter or judge (Job 9:33). This word is formed
from the Latin diem dicere, i.e., to fix a day for hearing a
cause. Such an one is empowered by mutual consent to decide the
cause, and to "lay his hand", i.e., to impose his authority, on
both, and enforce his sentence.
Strongs lexicon 03198 yakach {yaw-kahh'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 865; v
AV - reprove 23, rebuke 12, correct 3, plead 3, reason 2, chasten 2, reprover + 0376 2, appointed 1, arguing 1, misc 9; 59
to prove, decide, judge, rebuke, reprove, correct, be right 1a) (Hiphil) 1a1) to decide, judge 1a2) to adjudge, appoint 1a3) to show to be right, prove 1a4) to convince, convict 1a5) to reprove, chide 1a6) to correct, rebuke 1b) (Hophal) to be chastened 1c) (Niphal) to reason, reason together 1d) (Hithp) to argue
The first thing when witnessing to Catholic I would offer is to ask them; do we need a man to teach us? The answer determines if they ignore the warning that informs us we do not need a man to teach us. That outcome determines if they would be classified as anti christs…. the many, that were there during the first century reformation. They went out from us because they were not of the “us” defined by the scripture From my experiences (ten years on a Catholic board) they do make that portion of scripture to no effect so that they then can rather seek the approval of that seen(Pope)… rather than that not seen, the faith principle.
They give that authority to their own denomination and claim they are not a denomination in respect to their high priest they call Holy One, our Holiness, or Holy Father, the Pope ….their appointed daysman…in the end of the matter robbing by usurping the authority of our Holy Father in heaven(not seen) of those titles that speak of his immutable attributes.
This is even though they are commanded to call no man on earth father. I am reminded of one of what I call a “think not” rebukes of Christ informing those who did usurp the authority of our father in heaven by walking by sight
Usurping the authrorty of our true Father in heaven
Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. Mat 3:5
There John the Baptist coming from the family of Levites qualifying he can perform the ceremonial law without the approval of the high priest (pope). He was baptizing gentiles. Who would later be referred to as stones to represent the lively stones that does make up the spiritual house of God the church, His eternal bride
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham (Peter) to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. Mat 3:7-9
They would have another father other than our Father in heaven not seen as a anti-father as one seen (the Pope) . Replace the name Abraham with the name Peter in the verse above and we have Catholicism and Judsism in a nut shell
The apostate Jews did the same it is called; a law of the fathers. The difference is in the name they used as father as unto God. Again the Jews used the name Abraham to usurp the authority of our Father in heaven while the Catholics used the name Peter to accomplish the same purpose.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the (true) Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the (true) Father also. Let that therefore abiather) de in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the (true) Father.And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 1Jo 2:23-25
The warning they (antichrists) must make to no effect as it reads….
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1Jo 2:26-27
Not Abraham or Peter but the real Father in heaven not seen..... the faith principle.
Jesus founded the church...That is to say The gathering of the disciples into one body....However He did not found the Romanist church....People did that. With the guidance of Satan himself. You can see the results.
Though there are many thousands of born again believers in that religion, the religion itself is an open grave...God will take out his people from there when it's time.
Though there are many thousands of born again believers in that religion, the religion itself is an open grave...God will take out his people from there when it's time.
What is your understanding about the "Universal Church?"
Is it limited to a particular geographical location?
Is it a particular denomination or
is it a body consisting of believers of all denominations worldwide?
If so, please support your understanding with Bible verses.
Can we ascertain it's boundaries and numbers?
Is it limited to a particular geographical location?
Is it a particular denomination or
is it a body consisting of believers of all denominations worldwide?
If so, please support your understanding with Bible verses.
Can we ascertain it's boundaries and numbers?
I was told by a seminarian that there is evidence that the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Simon the sorcerer from the book of Acts. In light of their constant persecution and murder of true believers for the last 1500 years I am inclined to think it possible.
Their hatred of all things godly for 1500 years shows how committed they are to the devil's work.
This is not to impune the average catholic. I have friends who are catholic and as best as I call tell are also true Christians.
Read "In God's Name" for insight into the machinations of the Roman Catholic leaders. "Godly" cannot be applied to them.
Their hatred of all things godly for 1500 years shows how committed they are to the devil's work.
This is not to impune the average catholic. I have friends who are catholic and as best as I call tell are also true Christians.
Read "In God's Name" for insight into the machinations of the Roman Catholic leaders. "Godly" cannot be applied to them.
Article from gotquestions.org on the origin of the Roman Catholic church - https://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html