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I would like here to make a case for baptism in Jesus' Name.

First I want to show that scripturally baptism has the power to save.

1Pe 3:20, Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21, The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:


In verse 20, it makes it clear that the baptism being spoken of in verse 21 is water baptism.

Now, I know that a case can be made that we are saved by grace through faith; as though this excluded being saved through the grace of baptism. In this post I will not argue that a person can only be saved through baptism in Jesus' Name (except in part); but that baptism in Jesus' Name has the power to save a soul;

And that therefore, if you have any doubts about your salvation, being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins may be something that you might want to try.

For it is written,

Deu 4:29, But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

and,

Jer 29:13, And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

It should be clear that there is a conditional promise in holy scripture, that we can receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...

The condition being that we repent and are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins:

Act 2:38, Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39, For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


I would say, also, that if baptism does indeed save, that this salvation is in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth:

Act 4:10, Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11, This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12, Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


Now, here I will make a case for the exclusivisity in salvation of being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.

For the promise of Acts 2:38 is a conditional promise.

Act 2:39, For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

And it is given to as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Consider.

Rom 8:30, Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

If you are not among the called, then you were never predestinated unto salvation; and will not be justified.

Nevertheless, in Mark 16:16, it is those who believe not who will be damned; baptism isn't mentioned (as concerning condemnation for lack of it) except as a guarantee for salvation wherein it says, "whosoever believeth and is baptized shall be saved."

This indicates to me that, whereas in John 3:16, if you believe only, you "should" not perish, that if you believe and are baptized, you have an absolute promise of salvation...the word "shall" is an absolute one...whereas the word "should" is rather iffy.

So, I will not here preach that you must be baptized in Jesus' Name or else you will not be saved (I will allow the word of God to do that preaching for me, in verses already quoted); but I will say that if you want absolute assurance of salvation, the next step is to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.

Then, you shall receive remission of sins (1 John 3:9) and the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 
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I think its act of belief that saves...conversion of heart, not some act....thats a symbol to others you joined. Christ didnt need to be baptized he did it to show others. for example.
 

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In verse 20, it makes it clear that the baptism being spoken of in verse 21 is water baptism.

Does it? ................... Or are you reading into it.

The word water is used 363X in the KJV ...So I suspect it was a word that God was familiar with.
You seem to be trying to make that verse fit your belief..... Not only does it not, it would contradict Jesus Christ own words
 

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In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).

Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *NOTE: The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, ONLY the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished.

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions NINE different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

*John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

In regards to baptism 'in Jesus name' - https://carm.org/oneness-pentecostal/must-baptism-be-in-jesus-name-baptize/
 

Magenta

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Nevertheless, in Mark 16:16, it is those who believe not who will be damned; baptism isn't mentioned (as concerning condemnation
for lack of it) except as a guarantee for salvation wherein it says, "whosoever believeth and is baptized shall be saved."

This indicates to me that, whereas in John 3:16, if you believe only, you "should" not perish, that if you believe and are baptized,
you have an absolute promise of salvation...the word "shall" is an absolute one...whereas the word "should" is rather iffy.
John 3:16
New International Version
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


New Living Translation
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so
that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.


English Standard Version
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that
whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.


Berean Standard Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that
everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.


Berean Literal Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that
everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.


King James Bible
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


New King James Version
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


New American Standard Bible
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that
everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.


NASB 1995
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.


NASB 1977
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.


Legacy Standard Bible
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.


Amplified Bible
“For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten
Son,so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.


Christian Standard Bible
For God loved the world in this way: He gave his one and only Son, so
that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.


Holman Christian Standard Bible
“For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so
that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.


American Standard Version
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.


Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For God loved the world in this way: so much that he would give up his Son, The Only
One, so that everyone who trusts in him shall not be lost, but he shall have eternal life.


Contemporary English Version
God loved the people of this world so much that he gave his only Son, so
that everyone who has faith in him will have eternal life and never really die.


Douay-Rheims Bible
For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that
whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting.


English Revised Version
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.


GOD'S WORD® Translation
God loved the world this way: He gave his only Son so that everyone
who believes in him will not die but will have eternal life.


Good News Translation
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son,
so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life.


International Standard Version
"For this is how God loved the world: He gave his unique Son so that
everyone who believes in him might not be lost but have eternal life.


Literal Standard Version
for God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, that
everyone who is believing in Him may not perish, but may have continuous life.


Majority Standard Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that
everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.


New American Bible
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone
who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.


NET Bible
For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son,
so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.


New Revised Standard Version
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone
who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.


New Heart English Bible
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
whoever believes in him will not perish, but have everlasting life.


Webster's Bible Translation
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son, that
whoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Weymouth New Testament
For so greatly did God love the world that He gave His only Son, that
every one who trusts in Him may not perish but may have the Life of Ages.


World English Bible
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only born Son, that
whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.


Young's Literal Translation
for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that
every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.
 
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Does it? ................... Or are you reading into it.

The word water is used 363X in the KJV ...So I suspect it was a word that God was familiar with.
You seem to be trying to make that verse fit your belief..... Not only does it not, it would contradict Jesus Christ own words
I am performing exegesis when I read that in the text and not eisegesis.

What words of Jesus do you think it contradicts?
 
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In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).
Yes, it is not a removal of dirt from the flesh; however, one thing it is, is that it is a washing away of sins (Acts 22:16).
 
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Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *NOTE: The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, ONLY the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished.
My Bible says that they were saved "by" water...
 
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In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.
false teaching.
 
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*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
Cornelius and friends lived at an important time in history...Gentiles were not yet accepted as being viable members of the body of Christ.

Therefore, God afforded an exception to His rule (seen in Acts 2:38-39) in order to prove to the "Judaizers" that Gentiles could be saved; in order that they might be able to receive baptism in Jesus' Name as their initiation into the body of Christ.
 
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Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."
Yes, I mentioned this scripture in the OP.
 
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If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions NINE different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

*John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
I will only say to this that Acts 2:39, Romans 8:31 speak for themselves.

I don't have the answer to all of your questions; but I have a question for you:

Since it is only those who are called who have been predestinated and will be justified and therefore glorified, how are they justified who have not been called (see Acts 2:39)?
 
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You weren't around but it's already been proven that the Baptism's Part of both Mark 16, and Matthew 28 were added in after Baptism became a New Tradition.

We see the first 3,000 on Day of Pentecost Saved, but No One was Baptized, then few Chapters later, each time someone is Saved, Speaks in Tongues, etc, they are Water Baptized.

Water Baptism is just a Tradition.

Even Jesus did not Baptize His Own Disciples. They Baptized one another AFTER running into Paul.

So, it just a Tradition. Jesus did not tell us to be Baptized at all by Water [Jerome's Copy Gospel of Matthew - Hebrew Language/Church Fathers Written Documentation]. His Disciples and Paul DID!
 
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You weren't around but it's already been proven that the Baptism's Part of both Mark 16, and Matthew 28 were added in after Baptism became a New Tradition.

We see the first 3,000 on Day of Pentecost Saved, but No One was Baptized, then few Chapters later, each time someone is Saved, Speaks in Tongues, etc, they are Water Baptized.

Water Baptism is just a Tradition.

Even Jesus did not Baptize His Own Disciples. They Baptized one another AFTER running into Paul.

So, it just a Tradition. Jesus did not tell us to be Baptized at all by Water [Jerome's Copy Gospel of Matthew - Hebrew Language/Church Fathers Written Documentation]. His Disciples and Paul DID!
Knowing the scriptures I must disagree with you on all counts.

I encourage the readers to be Bereans as concerning what any teacher might say to them (Acts 17:10-11).
 
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Knowing the scriptures I must disagree with you on all counts.

I encourage the readers to be Bereans as concerning what any teacher might say to them (Acts 17:10-11).
I think Jerome is more credible than you.
I think the Church Father's are also more credible than you, just on this matter here, because I don't know your complete Theology.
But, the history is factual.
I trust the Discernment within my heart from the Holy Spirit concerning it.


With that said, I have always offered Water Baptism and never denied it.
 
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I think Jerome is more credible than you.
I think the Church Father's are also more credible than you, just on this matter here, because I don't know your complete Theology.
But, the history is factual.
I trust the Discernment within my heart from the Holy Spirit concerning it.
I think that the Holy Bible is more credible than Jerome.

Again i say to the reader, be a Berean (Acts 17:10-11).

That is a credible exhortation.
 
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I think that the Holy Bible is more credible than Jerome.

Again i say to the reader, be a Berean (Acts 17:10-11).

That is a credible exhortation.
The physical copy of the Holy Bible you use did come from Jerome!

He translated the GREEK Septuagint and Koine New Testament to Latin and from Erastus it finally was translated into English.

But he knows what was added and removed. He even shows it in the Vulgate.
 
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sing your song and dance.
You have much to learn.
No one is going to glean from this Thread!
I command those words to fall to the ground.

I pray that many will receive the exhortation to be baptized in Jesus' Name as the result of this thread.