We are all false teachers

[Blik]

we are limited. And Jesus is the message and the proof of God's love for each of us.

I would like so much to understand you and I am so sorry, I am being so thick headed. Please try to get through to me again?

I am trying to express that Jesus is the same from the beginning of time, that the salvation message is the same. You are objecting and I am being too dense to understand your objection. In answer to my post you say "Jesus said HE is the way and the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except through HIM. One must Build on the foundational truth of Jesus Christ, all other ground is sinking sand."

We both agree that is the truth. But if that is an objection to my post, it does not explain why it is not also true that Christ's word is eternal and His salvation and atonement was the same always of God giving the blood (we know it is the blood of Christ) of life on the altar as is stated in Lev. 17:11.

 

[acts5_29]

Even Jesus was a false teacher, according to many Pharisees. He would have gotten stoned for it, but because the Jews were subject to the Roman occupation, they settled for crucifixion.

The Biblical admonishments about false teaching need to be taken seriously--especially if you are considering yourself teaching. But once you undertake it, press on. People will call you a false teacher, unfit to teach, everything under the sun. Just make sure you are right with God and not kidding yourself, and carry on. If everybody just loves you, you are probably doing something wrong, or not doing enough. And yes, of COURSE you will do something wrong. But put yourself out there, take your lumps, and go.

Unless...you happen to be in a safe environment deliberately set up by church leadership wherein the church is equipping you to teach. I think of that more as student-teaching than teaching-teaching.

 

[CS1]

I would like so much to understand you and I am so sorry, I am being so thick headed. Please try to get through to me again?

I am trying to express that Jesus is the same from the beginning of time, that the salvation message is the same. You are objecting and I am being too dense to understand your objection. In answer to my post you say "Jesus said HE is the way and the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except through HIM. One must Build on the foundational truth of Jesus Christ, all other ground is sinking sand."

We both agree that is the truth. But if that is an objection to my post, it does not explain why it is not also true that Christ's word is eternal and His salvation and atonement was the same always of God giving the blood (we know it is the blood of Christ) of life on the altar as is stated in Lev. 17:11.

you say that Jesus is the same from the beginning of time and the salvation message is the same Ok I agree there as long as you know Jesus is outside of time-space and matter.
You are with the Building on Jesus, ok we got that done moving on to the next part.
I have not objected to anything you have said thus far.
I would just say the Blood of Jesus did what Bulls and rams could not do.
I do not see any objection I think you have missed a point about the eternal Godhead and our ability to fully understand

 

[Blik]

you say that Jesus is the same from the beginning of time and the salvation message is the same Ok I agree there as long as you know Jesus is outside of time-space and matter.
You are with the Building on Jesus, ok we got that done moving on to the next part.
I have not objected to anything you have said thus far.
I would just say the Blood of Jesus did what Bulls and rams could not do.
I do not see any objection I think you have missed a point about the eternal Godhead and our ability to fully understand

Thanks so much for taking the tine to explain to me.

Of course Christ is eternal, not within our time.

I think we do disagree about the sacrificial system. I don't think it was at all about the blood of animals. Pagans fed idols blood, God hated that. It was about the sacrifice of Christ. They could not know of Christ but it was explained to them that it was a symbol, they were told blood was life as Christ is. It was a symbol of the blood given on the altar for their sins so they could have atonement. God commanded this, he did not want copy of the pagan rite of giving the blood of animals without it symbolizing atonement. See Lev. 17:11.

 

[Peterlag]

We claim to stand for the truth and have a tendency of calling each other false teachers,so how can one identify a person contending for the truth given the many doctrines (OSAS,NOSAS,Armenian,Calvinism etc)?

Assuming you believe that your not a false teacher, what makes you different from all the others who also believe that they are not false teachers/false prophets?

Our differences have also proven the fact that scripture only harmonizes to a certain extent, how can you counteract that thought?

Please answer all my questions if you will.

The Christian world believes what they do not because of what Paul taught but what the Catholics put in place. And there's your answer to all of the questions you brought up. I will give one example...

The concept of the original sin was first alluded to in the second century by Irenaeus, (Bishop of Lyon) who was working for the Catholics and not for the apostle Paul. Some two hundred years later another church father who went by the name of Augustine, (Bishop of Hippo) whose writings shaped and developed the doctrine of sin as he considered that humanity shared in Adam's sin. Augustine's formulation of the original sin after the year of 412 was popular among protestant reformer's such as Martin Luther and John Calvin, who equated the original sin with a hurtful desire meaning that it persisted even after baptism and therefore completely destroyed the freedom to do good. At first Augustine, said that free will was weakened, but not destroyed by the original sin. But after the year of 412 this concept changed to a loss of free will except to sin, and it's this Augustine's concept that influenced the development of the western church and western philosophy and indirectly all of western Christianity.

 

[p_rehbein]

Listen folks, it all comes down to this wee statement:

YOUR NEVER RIGHT
YOUR OPINION DOESN'T MATTER
DON'T ARGUE WITH ME

 

[SoulWeaver]

We claim to stand for the truth and have a tendency of calling each other false teachers,so how can one identify a person contending for the truth given the many doctrines (OSAS,NOSAS,Armenian,Calvinism etc)?

Assuming you believe that your not a false teacher, what makes you different from all the others who also believe that they are not false teachers/false prophets?

Our differences have also proven the fact that scripture only harmonizes to a certain extent, how can you counteract that thought?

Please answer all my questions if you will.

I don't go around calling fellow believers false teachers. I might say I disagree. I try not to tear down.
We are all lacking to a point, but I wouldn't say that makes us all false teachers. I would rather say we are work in progress.

I believe the Scripture harmonizes to the full. That God speaks only truth and nothing but the truth, and can't contradict Himself because God is not the author of confusion. What is found in the Bible, is a seeming contradiction of two things that are true simultaneously - it's called a paradox. I believe God uses paradox in the Bible intentionally. To give us clues. When seeming "contradiction" is cleared up and explained - that's how to know you now understand correctly. Scriptures don't negate one another to make one side right and the other wrong, they work together, always, we might just not understand all at once.

Here's an example of a paradox: Gospel accounts disagreeing on the color of Jesus' robe after the arrest of Jesus. Was it purple, or scarlet? But the purple of that time was not a violet purple. It was a tyrian purple, a lot closer to red wine color. Biblical scarlet and purple were similar, purple looked kind of like this, and it wasn't hard to confuse them, especially in dim light. Both colors are attributed to Jesus for prophetic reasons too, but I won't get into it now.

Paradox asks for trust in God and exercising patience until it's fully cleared up. But if someone wants to "be right" and argue, they will rush and pick a side before they really understand the matter. They don't care if it still contradicts. They want to believe they got it all figured out, and they received their wages, convinced they nailed it all down. It's very hard for some people to accept that maybe they are wrong about something, or maybe none of us are meant to figure certain things out until the end. Someone wrote, "You will only get as much from the truth as you're willing to put into it."

 

[Blik]

I don't go around calling fellow believers false teachers. I might say I disagree. I try not to tear down.
We are all lacking to a point, but I wouldn't say that makes us all false teachers. I would rather say we are work in progress.

I believe the Scripture harmonizes to the full. That God speaks only truth and nothing but the truth, and can't contradict Himself because God is not the author of confusion. What is found in the Bible, is a seeming contradiction of two things that are true simultaneously - it's called a paradox. I believe God uses paradox in the Bible intentionally. To give us clues. When seeming "contradiction" is cleared up and explained - that's how to know you now understand correctly. Scriptures don't negate one another to make one side right and the other wrong, they work together, always, we might just not understand all at once.

Here's an example of a paradox: Gospel accounts disagreeing on the color of Jesus' robe after the arrest of Jesus. Was it purple, or scarlet? But the purple of that time was not a violet purple. It was a tyrian purple, a lot closer to red wine color. Biblical scarlet and purple were similar, purple looked kind of like this, and it wasn't hard to confuse them, especially in dim light. Both colors are attributed to Jesus for prophetic reasons too, but I won't get into it now.

Paradox asks for trust in God and exercising patience until it's fully cleared up. But if someone wants to "be right" and argue, they will rush and pick a side before they really understand the matter. They don't care if it still contradicts. They want to believe they got it all figured out, and they received their wages, convinced they nailed it all down. It's very hard for some people to accept that maybe they are wrong about something, or maybe none of us are meant to figure certain things out until the end. Someone wrote, "You will only get as much from the truth as you're willing to put into it."

I enjoyed your post. You say, as scripture does, we are not to tear down. You say scripture is always true. I like these things.

But I think we do have false prophets. Those who say God is not eternal but God changes His mind. Those who say God made mistakes when God gave commands. Like: God commanded to be circumcised. It was no mistake, for we are to be circumcised. The part of this saying to cut the foreskin was only a help to people of that time to obey the command. It is from false prophets to say God made a mistake when God ordered this. It is false prophets to change scripture or to add to it, using fleshly reasoning to come up with Christianizing the change. We are not to judge or tear down, but we are to know God's will and what opposes His will.

 

[SoulWeaver]

I enjoyed your post. You say, as scripture does, we are not to tear down. You say scripture is always true. I like these things.

But I think we do have false prophets. Those who say God is not eternal but God changes His mind. Those who say God made mistakes when God gave commands. Like: God commanded to be circumcised. It was no mistake, for we are to be circumcised. The part of this saying to cut the foreskin was only a help to people of that time to obey the command. It is from false prophets to say God made a mistake when God ordered this. It is false prophets to change scripture or to add to it, using fleshly reasoning to come up with Christianizing the change. We are not to judge or tear down, but we are to know God's will and what opposes His will.

I know that I am personally not led to say certain things, even though someone might say I am too soft at times. Maybe there will be time when I do say something like that, but if there's a heavy word the Holy Spirit will stir me up to say it, until He does not do that I chill, that's just what I have to do. I would imagine that lovingkindness vs sharpness is a difficult balance to every believer, and it's an area I'm still maturing in. Maybe when God establishes me to be more kind and loving, I will be able to also be sharper. Cheers

 

[Blik]

I know that I am personally not led to say certain things, even though someone might say I am too soft at times. Maybe there will be time when I do say something like that, but if there's a heavy word the Holy Spirit will stir me up to say it, until He does not do that I chill, that's just what I have to do. I would imagine that lovingkindness vs sharpness is a difficult balance to every believer, and it's an area I'm still maturing in. Maybe when God establishes me to be more kind and loving, I will be able to also be sharper. Cheers

Do you think it is wrong to post what the Holy Spirit and scripture tells you even if it is different from another's post?

I think it is definitely wrong to judge people or tear them down in any way, I am only speaking about scripture, not the people who post what they think it means. We can learn from each other, but only if we share.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

We claim to stand for the truth and have a tendency of calling each other false teachers,so how can one identify a person contending for the truth given the many doctrines (OSAS,NOSAS,Armenian,Calvinism etc)?

Assuming you believe that your not a false teacher, what makes you different from all the others who also believe that they are not false teachers/false prophets?

Our differences have also proven the fact that scripture only harmonizes to a certain extent, how can you counteract that thought?

Please answer all my questions if you will.

The answer is insights, we should look at what scripture says and really digests what the person is saying and see if it makes sense.

 

[garee]

The Christian world believes what they do not because of what Paul taught but what the Catholics put in place. And there's your answer to all of the questions you brought up. I will give one example...

The Christian world believes what they do not because of what Paul or peter or any apostle taught but what the unseen holy Spirit teaches.

I will give one example... in trusting the works of men as the things of men . It helps us to be careful to distinguish the two Things of God unseen and things of men seen they never become one. God is not a man . God who name is Jealous will not share his unseen glory with the flesh seen

Peter fell from his false pride. There were as today many antichrists (plural) that were influenced by the one spirit of the anti Christ, Satan Also call the legion as the lying father of many fathers .

Mathew 16:21-23 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.