We Have Forgotten That The Way Is Narrow

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eternally-gratefull

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My comments aren't just for this thread. It just seems that any time someone posts that faith should be active, a group jumps in and starts in on works salvation. Most people who commented at first started with they didnt want to watch the video and didn't care to because salvation isn't based on works. It just reminds me of how my kids say they don't like to eat something before they even tasted it.

Again, this is wrong,,

It may seem this way, because it is the same people who keep saying it.. And as I already said, We alread know their motives..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Of course, we don't earn grace ... but that free gift is given at the very beginning.
Ever hear of falling from grace?
How about falling away from the faith?
Then there's my favorite ... drawing back to perdition (end of Hebrews 10).

What do you think of Jesus' statements in my sig below? ...
I think all those who have been saved from eternal condemnation. WHo have passed from death due to sin, to life due to grace, and have experienced truely the salvation of God.

Do all those things in your sig..

1. The love him, because he first loved them
2. They keep his word Because he proved ot be trustworthy (although not perfectly, it is a learning process)
3. They are his sheep. thus they go where he goes. and do not walk away, But if they do get lost, He leaves the flock and goes to find them, and they immediately know his coice and follow him
4. They Know Christ. personally, Because they were saved by him, and became a part of his family
5. They know him, Because they keep his commands, and know his commands are for their benefit.

 
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Saying "pure" Grace was actually a brain fart on my part. I meant Free grace.

But Pure Grace works for me too.:D
LOL...That made me laugh!

We really need to be cemented in this "pure free grace" in order for the empowering aspect of grace to become manifested in our lives.

Teaching that works are needed in order to be saved in the context that they usually mean it just creates a works-based religion that actually nullifies the very grace of God that is need from operating in our lives like it is meant to.

To "fall from grace" is to buy into the idea that we can compel God to bless us ( or not hurt us ) through our performance. Paul said nothing we do matters, neither circumcision or uncircumcision. The only thing that counts is faith expressed through love. Gal. 5:6

Faith responds, it never initiates. Faith is a positive response to what God has already done by His grace. If we live by the goodness of a grace-giving God expressed in our Lord Jesus Christ, we will not fall or make void ( make of no effect ) in our lives the grace of God.

We must have the firm foundation in this free, pure acceptance grace that is all from His love and mercy towards us. From this foundation - then we can build.

As we have received Christ - so we are to walk in Him. Col. 2:6 We received Him by grace through faith and that is the way it is from start to finish.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Saying "pure" Grace was actually a brain fart on my part. I meant Free grace.

But Pure Grace works for me too.:D

It is pure, it is from the father, anything from the father not tainted by man is pure :)
 
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Mitspa

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The narrow way is the way of humility ..where we trust in the grace of God to justify us. The broad way is found in all religions ..the works of the flesh based on the pride of man who tries to justify himself by self-rightoues works.
 
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Veteran

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some are opposed to the Gospel of Grace because of false pretenses.
I'd like to be 100% clear on what people mean by the gospel of grace, etc.
Do they mean God's GRACE sends believers to heaven without them having any accountability at all?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I'd like to be 100% clear on what people mean by the gospel of grace, etc.
Do they mean God's GRACE sends believers to heaven without them having any accountability at all?

That would not be grace, that would be works.

Grace means God brings people to heaven who do not deserve heaven,

of course, if you think you deserve heaven, you do not need grace..
 
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wsblind

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I'd like to be 100% clear on what people mean by the gospel of grace, etc.
Do they mean God's GRACE sends believers to heaven without them having any accountability at all?
Yes and No.

We simply trust In the Lord Jesus Christ and His work for salvation. He is held accountable for the saving of a man.

But we are held accountable for growing in His grace and knowledge and living the Christian way of life.

All believers will enter the Kingdom. The Lord Jesus Christ is responsible and accountable for this/

But not all believers will inherit the Kingdom. We are held accountable in time and this life for living in His plan for our lives.

New American Standard Bible
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
 
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Veteran

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we are held accountable for growing in His grace and knowledge and living the Christian way of life.
And what would the ground rules be? ... Exactly how are we judged? ... etc.
How much growing and living righteously are required?
IOW, I don't see Jesus as being as nebulous as you are.
Surely, believers need to know exactly what's expected of them.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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And what would the ground rules be? ... Exactly how are we judged? ... etc.
How much growing and living righteously are required?
IOW, I don't see Jesus as being as nebulous as you are.
IOW, surely believers need to know exactly what's expected of them.

They do that is why they are believers.

If they think or are taught these things are required to be saved, or maintain salvation. They they are not believers of God. but believers in themselves.
 
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Mitspa

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by the way "grace" is a Spirit ..not a religious doctrine ...and you MUST receive that Spirit by faith to be "saved"
 
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wsblind

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And what would the ground rules be? ... Exactly how are we judged? ... etc.
IOW, I don't see Jesus as being as nebulous as you are.
IOW, surely believers need to know exactly what's expected of them.
For believers the ground rules are 4 things.

Be filled with Spirit.

Walk in the Spirit.

Do not quench the Spirit.(this what traps most of us, we quench the Spirit by trying to be righteous on our own.)

Do not grieve the Spirit.

Evaluation of believers and their life~~~At the Bema seat of Christ.
 
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Veteran

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For believers the ground rules are 4 things.
Be filled with Spirit.
Walk in the Spirit.
Do not quench the Spirit.(this what traps most of us,
we quench the Spirit by trying to be righteous on our own.)
Do not grieve the Spirit.
Evaluation of believers and their life~~~At the Bema seat of Christ.
It is so incredibly wonderful that thouest has all knowledge and wisdom,
i.e. that you know everything! ... I am totally in awe!
Way beyond incredible.
... lols and then many more of the same! Thanks!
 
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by the way "grace" is a Spirit ..not a religious doctrine ...and you MUST receive that Spirit by faith to be "saved"

That's a novel notion you have...

God's grace is a spirit?? Could you elaborate?
 
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Veteran

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the Mitspa: by the way "grace" is a Spirit

That's a novel notion you have...God's grace is a spirit??
Yes, even with a small "s" it would be ridiculous!
But then, what else should we expect around here?
 
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I believe the notion that the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of grace comes from Hebrews.

Hebrews 10:29 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
 
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Veteran

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I believe the notion that the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of grace comes from Hebrews.
Hebrews 10:29 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
It obviously means grace is one of His attributes ... He is not grace ... He provides/offers grace.
 

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I believe the notion that the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of grace comes from Hebrews.

Hebrews 10:29 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
I would agree the Holy Spirit is OF grace, Just as Jesus and the Father are full of grace. That is totally different from saying, as Mitspa states: "grace" is a Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is of grace and full of grace, but grace is not a S/spirit!
 
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I would agree the Holy Spirit is OF grace, Just as Jesus and the Father are full of grace. That is totally different from saying, as Mitspa states: "grace" is a Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is of grace and full of grace, but grace is not a S/spirit!
I can see your semantics here. The Holy Spirit is also called the Spirit of Jesus too. Perhaps there is more here then meets the natural mind of man?
 
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wsblind

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It is so incredibly wonderful that thouest has all knowledge and wisdom,
i.e. that you know everything! ... I am totally in awe!
Way beyond incredible.
... lols and then many more of the same! Thanks!
That is pretty simple basic truth on how to live the Christian way of life.