We were tricked with fake holy days
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With the greatest of respect you have come to a Christian website as an apparent authority, prepared to argue the toss and tell others that they are wrong for expressing very orthodox Christian beliefs, all the time denying key doctrine that makes Christianity Christian.
Some of us have been prepared to counter you - fair enough.
However belief in the Trinity is central to Christianity and someone who needs guidance on the CHRISTIAN doctrine of the Trinity has asked a question.
He does not need you - who denies the Trinity and other important doctrine - to confuse him.
Simple enough.
Perhaps if that individual was an authority, howsoever defined, and was making controversial statements about the Trinity then it would be in order for anyone to challenge those statements as they see fit.
Some of us have been prepared to counter you - fair enough.
However belief in the Trinity is central to Christianity and someone who needs guidance on the CHRISTIAN doctrine of the Trinity has asked a question.
He does not need you - who denies the Trinity and other important doctrine - to confuse him.
Simple enough.
Perhaps if that individual was an authority, howsoever defined, and was making controversial statements about the Trinity then it would be in order for anyone to challenge those statements as they see fit.
T
No, you went to a thread that you did not start.
It was about the Trinity, started by Siberian_Khatru to sew your seeds of deception there.
He certainly did not reference you when posting the question.
It was about the Trinity, started by Siberian_Khatru to sew your seeds of deception there.
He certainly did not reference you when posting the question.
God remains without descent, without mother or father beginning of days or end of Spirit life. The temporal flesh of the Son of man in respect to that outward demonstration profited nothing as far as a spiritual work (the unseen eternal)
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Find the the spiritual meaning hid in the parables that inform us to eat flesh, and drink the blood of men and a better understanding of the work of the Messiah Christ, can be clearer, I believe. .
Ezekiel 39:18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
How would that effect what Christ says in respect to his own self as the Son of man? What does it mean to drink the blood of men?
The disciples that walked away in unbelief ,no faith, They where clearly not not given the spiritual understanding of that parable . What does it mean to you?
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the "Son of man", and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.Joh 6:54
How do we eat and drink spiritually?
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Find the the spiritual meaning hid in the parables that inform us to eat flesh, and drink the blood of men and a better understanding of the work of the Messiah Christ, can be clearer, I believe. .
Ezekiel 39:18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
How would that effect what Christ says in respect to his own self as the Son of man? What does it mean to drink the blood of men?
The disciples that walked away in unbelief ,no faith, They where clearly not not given the spiritual understanding of that parable . What does it mean to you?
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the "Son of man", and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.Joh 6:54
How do we eat and drink spiritually?
U
I am trying to read between the lines here, so are you saying that the concept of the threeness of God while not considered heretical by the Hebrew Roots Movement adherents, is still not how the Hebrew Roots Movement believes the Godhead to be, and perhaps you as well fall into this camp?
I do have some information on their interpretation of the oneness of God and how they support it using scripture.
The second group of street preachers/you tubers (there are a plethora around since this movement seems to be gaining traction) are not Hebrew Roots, however they do deny the the trinity as well and are a very works based, law driven sect. I am not sure exactly with which group you align yourself. They deny that righteousness is imputed etc etc.,
You should clarify really....inquiring minds want to know...
I do have some information on their interpretation of the oneness of God and how they support it using scripture.
The second group of street preachers/you tubers (there are a plethora around since this movement seems to be gaining traction) are not Hebrew Roots, however they do deny the the trinity as well and are a very works based, law driven sect. I am not sure exactly with which group you align yourself. They deny that righteousness is imputed etc etc.,
You should clarify really....inquiring minds want to know...
Do you not understand disciplemike by downplaying the Holy Spirit you have brought into question your Salvation?
Jesus clearly warned us about false prophets trying to deceive us with false doctrines.
Matthew 7:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. [SUP]16 [/SUP]You will know them by their fruits.
Matthew 7:21
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
I see you as a false prophet in sheep's clothing doing the will of your father Satan.
Jesus clearly warned us about false prophets trying to deceive us with false doctrines.
Matthew 7:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. [SUP]16 [/SUP]You will know them by their fruits.
Matthew 7:21
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
I see you as a false prophet in sheep's clothing doing the will of your father Satan.
U
I will also write this disciplemike, I have done my research on Tertullian on the word "trinity" and the three persons definition and to some extent on this I understand where you are coming from. There is a lot of evidence to suggest Tertullian was influenced by non Christian thinking.
However, I have also read how people who deny that the Godhead has three distinct parts (I do not use persons) also have to twist scripture to make it so. I may continue this topic with you on this thread, we shall see.
U
I was not saying it was you, I was saying the people I spoke to in the past in real time, that completely denied the three parts of God. They definitely were, but some people can make a good case for something I agree without twisting things.
I will admit I did have to rethink a lot of things I just accepted about the teaching of the trinity when I really looked at the history of this doctrine and the word.
I have more or less come to the conclusion that the "trinity" word is problematic it errs to much on the threeness and not enough on the oneness.
I will admit I did have to rethink a lot of things I just accepted about the teaching of the trinity when I really looked at the history of this doctrine and the word.
I have more or less come to the conclusion that the "trinity" word is problematic it errs to much on the threeness and not enough on the oneness.