Wedding Feast Parable (Full scope of time)

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Matthew 22
The Parable of the Wedding Feast
22 And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king (God the Father) who arranged a marriage for his son (Jesus Christ), 3 and sent out his servants (Prophets) to call those who were invited (Israel/Jews) to the wedding (Eternal Life-Revelation21v2); and they were not willing to come (Rejected God's ways). 4 Again, he sent out other servants (More Prophets), saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.” ’ 5 But they made light of it (Their own will be done, not God's will / A disobedient and wayward people) and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business (living for self, and not for God). 6 And the rest (Israel/Jews) seized his servants (the prophets), treated them spitefully, and killed them. 7 But when the king (God the Father) heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. (Israel and Judah Taken into captivity into Assyria and Babylon respectively, and then later the Roman Empire overturning Jerusalem) 8 Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy (They rejected the last Prophet, Jesus Christ). 9 Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find (Gentiles/Expansion of the Church), invite to the wedding.’(Opened the path to salvation). 10 So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good (Many are called). And the wedding hall was filled with guests.
11 “But when the king (God the Father) came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment (Ephesians 5 26 that He might [g]sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.). 12 So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. 13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Those who reject the message of holiness and sanctification, those who will not repent, those who refuse to be led by the Spirit but rather yield continually to the flesh, those who wilfully keep on sinning----will be left without wedding garments). 14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”

For few are Chosen.

Matthew 7
13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 [c]Because narrow is the gate and [d]difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
 

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Colossians 3 NLT
12 Since God chose you to be the holy people he loves, you must clothe yourselves with tenderhearted mercy, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. 13 Make allowance for each other’s faults, and forgive anyone who offends you. Remember, the Lord forgave you, so you must forgive others. 14 Above all, clothe yourselves with love, which binds us all together in perfect harmony.
 

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Aside from the SEQUENCE issues I've posted about in past posts (the SEQUENCE indicated between vv.7 and 8, which I won't get into in this post),

here's a post I made on this passage in the past (which I realize you will not agree with, but I'm placing here for the consideration of those who read this thread):

[quoting that post]


Re: "CALLED"... and the TWO distinct Greek words translated "CALL/CALLED" (or "INVITE/INVITED"):

G2564 - kaleó / kalesai / keklēmenous - "to call / invite / name"

G2822 - klétos / klētoi / klētois - "to call / invite / summon"


It is important to notice how EACH of these is used in BOTH [/EACH] the Matthew 22:1-14 passage AND the Romans 8:28,30 verses


G2564 - kaleó / kalesai / keklēmenous - "to call / invite / name" -

Matthew 22:3 V-ANA
GRK: δούλους αὐτοῦ καλέσαι τοὺς κεκλημένους
NAS: out his slaves to call those
KJV: servants to call them that were bidden
INT: servants of him to call those having been invited

Matthew 22:3 V-RPM/P-AMP
GRK: καλέσαι τοὺς κεκλημένους εἰς τοὺς
NAS: those who had been invited to the wedding feast,
KJV: to call them that were bidden to
INT: to call those having been invited to the

Matthew 22:4 V-RPM/P-DMP
GRK: Εἴπατε τοῖς κεκλημένοις Ἰδοὺ τὸ
NAS: those who have been invited, Behold,
KJV: Tell them which are bidden, Behold,
INT: Say to those having been invited Behold the

Matthew 22:8 V-RPM/P-NMP
GRK: οἱ δὲ κεκλημένοι οὐκ ἦσαν
NAS: but those who were invited were not worthy.
KJV: but they which were bidden were
INT: those moreover having been invited not were

[NOTE: these ^ had rejected the invitation/call, per vv.3,5,6]

Matthew 22:9 V-AMA-2P
GRK: ἐὰν εὕρητε καλέσατε εἰς τοὺς
NAS: as you find [there], invite to the wedding feast.'
KJV: ye shall find, bid to
INT: if you shall find invite to the

Romans 8:30 V-AIA-3S
GRK: τούτους καὶ ἐκάλεσεν καὶ οὓς
NAS: He also called; and these
KJV: he also called: and whom
INT: these also he called and whom


[and]

G2822 - klétos / klētoi / klētois - "to call / invite / summon" -

Matthew 22:14 Adj-NMP
GRK: γάρ εἰσιν κλητοὶ ὀλίγοι δὲ
NAS: For many are called, but few
KJV: many are called, but few
INT: indeed are called few however

Romans 8:28 Adj-DMP
GRK: κατὰ πρόθεσιν κλητοῖς οὖσιν
NAS: to those who are called according
KJV: to them who are the called according
INT: according to [his] purpose called are


[note: the Matthew 22:1-7, 8-14 passage is referring to the "guests [plural]" of "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" i.e. the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom which will be commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth, whereas the Romans 8 passage is referring to (that which pertains to) "the Church which is His body" (who is not "the guests [plural]"), so there's that distinction to be noted also--not that this makes much difference in how these two words are used (re: call/invite)]


[quoting from BibleHub]

"In the NT, 2822 /klētós ("divinely called") focuses on God's general call – i.e. the call (invitation) He gives to all people, so all can receive His salvation. God desires every person to call out to Him and receive His salvation (1 Tim 2:4,5). "Unfortunately, many choose not to – but all can; all don't but all can call out to God for His mercy (not just 'some')" (G. Archer)." [source: BibleHub]

[end quoting that post]
 

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Ephesians 4
20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

- These are instructions after you FIRST believed. Don't let anyone tell you any differently.

- These are things that YOU DO. Its not done for you.
- Its done by the CHOICES you make.
- The ABILITY to make the right choice is found in a very powerful gift called Grace. It is a gift to those who believe.

- Do you believe that God is helping you? Then you can make the right choice.
 

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Colossians 3 -

12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with hearts of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience. 13 Bear with each other and forgive any complaint you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14 And over all these virtues put on love, which is the bond of perfect unity. 15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, for to this you were called as members of one body. And be thankful.
 

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When you first believed in Jesus, you were justified. The word justified implies a few things so that you fully understand it. It firstly means (1) PEACE WITH GOD. Up to this point you were alienated from him because of the stain of your sins. Jesus (God and Man) in One was able to bridge the divide. Before Jesus, we could not ascend to heaven because God is too Holy, nor could God descend to Earth (like he used to walk in the garden) because He is too holy. We could not survive in His presence. That is why Jesus came via the Holy Spirit to the Virgin Mary. He condemned sin in the flesh, so that just as though one man (Adam) all were under the death penalty, now through one man (Jesus) all who believe in Him have eternal life. (2) You are made positionally RIGHTEOUS - meaning justice has been served, and you are in right standing with God. It was Jesus who paid your penalty. This is accessed through faith, and His (Jesus') Righteousness is imputed to us (in our favour). (3) AT this point we are BETHROTHED to Christ. To understand this we need to look to the Jewish wedding customs to gain better insight. When a Man wishes to Marry a Woman, He pays the bride price (in this case it was Jesus' sacrifice upon the cross). We are legally married even though the wedding ceremony hasn't happened yet. The Groom goes away to prepare a place for his bride (Jesus goes to the Father, and prepares a place for us. In His fathers house are many mansions...remember that verse?). During this year that the Groom is away, the Bride is to prepare herself (more on this in sanctification below). Without Justification, there could be no Union with God (God could not dwell in the believer)

The bride is to prepare herself. One of the things that the Groom leaves behind is Gifts for his bethrothed bride. The equivalence is the Gift of the Holy Spirit (and the Gifts of the Spirit). This equates to us being filled with the Holy Spirit and the process of Sanctification begins. This bethrothed bride is not free to run around with any other man, not free to fornicate, not free to commit adultery. (Joseph had initial concerns about Mary during this phase when he found out initially that she was with child). The process of sanctification (separation) is directly comparable to the call to Holiness for the believer. We have been given the Holy Spirit who helps us and empowers us in the call to holiness and separation from the world (worldliness). The OT Law was given but the law of righteousness was pursued by the works of the law instead of faith, and Israel was not able to attain it. We have the fulfillment of the law of righteousness through the body of Christ, such that the walking out of our life in faith is in obedience to God. God called Israels unfaithfullness Adultery in the OT. They ran after other gods, broke the commandments, and pursued their own will. They had not a heart for God. They worshipped Him with their lips but their hearts were far from Him. So too we have the new covenant (Justified by Christ and the Sanctification by the Spirit). You should think of yourself as this bethrothed bride in waiting. Are you going to run around with other lovers whilst bethrothed to Jesus? How are you as the bride in waiting conducting yourself whilst awaiting your Groom? God is a jealous God, and does not want to share you with another. He is coming for a bride that is pure, spotless and holy. Does that describe you? Its not too late.
 

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2 Corinthians 11
2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!
 

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2 Corinthians 11
2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
CORRECT.

*THIS* is what PAUL was tasked with.

"2 For I [Paul] am jealous for you [plural/corporate 'you'] with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you [plural/corporate 'you'] to one husband, that I [Paul] may present you as a chaste virgin [SINGULAR] to Christ."



This is NOT the "10 [/5] Virgins [/Bridesmaids; PLURAL]" of "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" parable [/parables], whom He is NOT coming to "MARRY" (THEY will be who will "went in with [G3326 - ACCOMPANYING] Him to the wedding FEAST/SUPPER--the earthly MK! [not "the MARRIAGE" itself! (G4862 - with... 'UNION-with'/'IDENTIFIED-with'] Him)])
 

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CORRECT.

*THIS* is what PAUL was tasked with.

"2 For I [Paul] am jealous for you [plural/corporate 'you'] with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you [plural/corporate 'you'] to one husband, that I [Paul] may present you as a chaste virgin [SINGULAR] to Christ."



This is NOT the "10 [/5] Virgins [/Bridesmaids; PLURAL]" of "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" parable [/parables], whom He is NOT coming to "MARRY" (THEY will be who will "went in with [G3326 - ACCOMPANYING] Him to the wedding FEAST/SUPPER [not "the MARRIAGE" itself! (G4862 - with... 'UNION-with'/'IDENTIFIED-with'] Him)])
Hi DWM, Is it possible to change your style of delivery of your text. I mean this sincerely and not as an unnecessary criticism. It is quite difficult (for me) to follow your reponses, and I suspect it may be for others as well. Very difficult to follow the flow with so many ampersand type characters "</]#[&". Its almost like its a BOT (which I know you are not). A more natural flow I suspect will bring your points across more strongly.
 

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- Do you believe that God is helping you? Then you can make the right choice.
Pretty sure that no one believes, that once we come to faith [/trust Christ and His finished work alone for salvation], that our "soul [mind, will, emotions]" suddenly become utterly-inactive/-inanimate/-dead/-disposed of. ;)

:D


[how's that "delivery"? better? :) ]
 

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EDIT TO smooth out the post

Chris1975 said:
2 Corinthians 11

2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

CORRECT.

*THIS* is what PAUL was tasked with.

"2 For I [Paul] am jealous for you [plural/corporate 'you'] with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you [plural/corporate 'you'] to one husband, that I [Paul] may present you as a chaste virgin [SINGULAR] to Christ."



This is NOT the "10 [/5] Virgins [/Bridesmaids; PLURAL]" of "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" parable(s), whom He is NOT coming to "MARRY" (THEY will be who will "went in with [G3326 - ACCOMPANYING] Him to the wedding *FEAST/SUPPER--the earthly MK! )



[* THIS is not "the MARRIAGE" itself! (which is the "G4862 - with... 'UNION-with'/'IDENTIFIED-with']" Him)]

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Any better... can you comprehend this manner of post better?

I hope so. :)


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"[…] the gospel that I [PAUL] proclaimed to you, which also you received, in which you also stand, 2 by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the word I [PAUL] proclaimed to you [...]" - 1Cor15:1-2 [some ppl do not "hold to" that word]
 

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EDIT TO smooth out the post




CORRECT.

*THIS* is what PAUL was tasked with.

"2 For I [Paul] am jealous for you [plural/corporate 'you'] with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you [plural/corporate 'you'] to one husband, that I [Paul] may present you as a chaste virgin [SINGULAR] to Christ."



This is NOT the "10 [/5] Virgins [/Bridesmaids; PLURAL]" of "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" parable(s), whom He is NOT coming to "MARRY" (THEY will be who will "went in with [G3326 - ACCOMPANYING] Him to the wedding *FEAST/SUPPER--the earthly MK! )



[* THIS is not "the MARRIAGE" itself! (which is the "G4862 - with... 'UNION-with'/'IDENTIFIED-with']" Him)]

[end updating]

Any better... can you comprehend this manner of post better?

I hope so. :)


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"[…] the gospel that I [PAUL] proclaimed to you, which also you received, in which you also stand, 2 by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the word I [PAUL] proclaimed to you [...]"
Is it a software program that you are using that pulls in this type of editing and elaboration of words? Or is it saved somewhere with copy/paste?

Coming back to what I think your point is (Israel (many) vs Church (one)), I would refer you to Mt22v8 and Mt22v9 in the original post. That is my interpretation.
 

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I, too, refer to verses 8 and 9 (Matt22) in my post(s).

[I also alluded to the SEQUENCE ISSUES between v.7 which is the 70ad events and v.8 which phrase "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" necessarily follows the 70ad events]



[All of this is my own typing... or from posts I've previously typed and "copied-to-paste" here... except where I "copied-to-paste" the select verses from BibleHub, in my first post, Post #3]
 

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Coming back to what I think your point is (Israel (many) vs Church (one)), I would refer you to Mt22v8 and Mt22v9 in the original post. That is my interpretation.
I do grasp you point (because many people view the passage that way).

To clarify *my* later post, I am saying that in both sections of Matthew 22 (2-7 and then 8-14), the ones doing the INVITING are INVITING others TO "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" (the earthly MK)...[not to "the Marriage [/Union-with/Identification-with-G4862" that Paul is speaking of when using the word "BETROTHED"]


…so that, v.7 refers to the 70ad events; and then

v.8 refers to the "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" [AFTER the 70ad events]
of the LATER "[The] Revelation [of Jesus Christ]"(Rev1:1 [7:3]) given to be recorded LATER in 95ad! (speaking of "far-future" events / time-period)
 

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God asked the same question.
but it's not answered in the text -- not here in the parable, anyway.
i think it's probably John 10:1 -- whoever enters by any other way but The Gate is a thief and robber, come to steal kill and destroy. even that tho, doesn't tells us how did they get in?

there's 'crept in unawares' -- Jude 1:4 -- but still, how? if the wedding feast is in the Father's house, how does someone sneak in?
 

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but it's not answered in the text -- not here in the parable, anyway.
i think it's probably John 10:1 -- whoever enters by any other way but The Gate is a thief and robber, come to steal kill and destroy. even that tho, doesn't tells us how did they get in?


there's 'crept in unawares' -- Jude 1:4 -- but still, how? if the wedding feast is in the Father's house, how does someone sneak in?
In my opinion they were invited (called), because that is clear from the text. They were also clearly not chosen, for they were cast into outer darkness. Well then, if these were called (responded to the call of Christ) but yet did not go on through sanctification by the washing of the word, then they didn't prepare themselves as the bride. This is why the Father asks where is their wedding gown. They were stained and spotted by the world and did not walk in the light as Jesus was in the light. They by their lifestyle were disqualified.

It was to them a cheap Grace. Easy salvationism. The benefits of salvation without any personal cost or sacrifice. No obedience. No picking up their cross and dying daily. No loving their neighbour as commanded by the Lord.

These would be the Goats, Tares and Slaves. Possibly as you say, the thieves that tried to enter in another way.

What do you think?
 

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I believe the following passages are what [is describing things that] will take place at the same time-slot (His Second Coming to the earth FOR the commencement of the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age [i.e. NOT "our Rapture"] … and NOT taking place "up in Heaven"):


1) Matthew 8:12 - [note also v.11 with its "G347 - shall sit down [around a table/at a meal]" word already mentioned in previous post; and consider its parallels] -

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


2) Matthew 13:42 -
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


3) Matthew 13:50 -
And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


4) Matthew 22:13 - [of the passage presently under discussion] -
Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


5) Matthew 24:51 -
And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


6) Matthew 25:30 -
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


7) Luke 13:28 - [note also v.29 with its "G347 - shall sit down [around a table/at a meal]" word already mentioned in previous post; and consider its parallels] -

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.



[again, these "contexts" not speaking of the time-slot of "our Rapture"]
 

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In my opinion they were invited (called), because that is clear from the text. They were also clearly not chosen, for they were cast into outer darkness. Well then, if these were called (responded to the call of Christ) but yet did not go on through sanctification by the washing of the word, then they didn't prepare themselves as the bride. This is why the Father asks where is their wedding gown. They were stained and spotted by the world and did not walk in the light as Jesus was in the light. They by their lifestyle were disqualified.

It was to them a cheap Grace. Easy salvationism. The benefits of salvation without any personal cost or sacrifice. No obedience. No picking up their cross and dying daily. No loving their neighbour as commanded by the Lord.

These would be the Goats, Tares and Slaves. Possibly as you say, the thieves that tried to enter in another way.

What do you think?
when i read Luke 14:21, that He invited the poor, and the blind, and crippled, and lame, i think, where do these people get wedding garments? the sort of people who would have such garments of their own are those who were first invited, but made excuses and refused to come. but these crippled beggars found in the street - they would not have wedding garments of their own. and the people found on the roads and compelled by the King's servants to come - how likely would they be to be traveling on the road with wedding garments? probably not!
so i think, the garments were given to them. probably at the door to the Master's house. the ones robed in white are wearing what they received from the King. i think the wedding garments are a gift.


so i think, this man found inside who wasn't properly dressed, he did not come in through the door.
you brought up the tares - in that parable, Jesus says the enemy sowed them in the field. so -- is that how this man without the proper garment got in? the enemy put him there? :unsure: