What about Job?

[GuessWho]

God not only has faith, he has knowledge that we would not leave him. Thats why he gave job over to satan. God knew what the outcome would be.

God does not act on faith in the unknown. He acts on the known

Each one understands in his own way. By saying that God has faith in us I didn't meant it as you understood it. Of course that the strict meaning of faith implies what you said and makes God ..."human", in a certain way.

I meant to emphasize that God loves us and trust in our goodness which He Himself placed it there. Instead of thinking of God as a blind force who decides to take away all your family, all your fortunes, to give you disease just to see what happens, just to make an experiment on you, I believe God trusted His creation.

So, I believe the test is in an paradoxical way for both God and Job.
Satan wants to show God that His creatures are loving Him only under certain conditions. And Satan also wants to show Job that God is unjust towards Him and doesn't care about his loyalty and love. At the end, Satan is defeated by the love that exists between God and His creature.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Each one understands in his own way. By saying that God has faith in us I didn't meant it as you understood it. Of course that the strict meaning of faith implies what you said and makes God ..."human", in a certain way.

I meant to emphasize that God loves us and trust in our goodness which He Himself placed it there. Instead of thinking of God as a blind force who decides to take away all your family, all your fortunes, to give you disease just to see what happens, just to make an experiment on you, I believe God trusted His creation.

So, I believe the test is in an paradoxical way for both God and Job.
Satan wants to show God that His creatures are loving Him only under certain conditions. And Satan also wants to show Job that God is unjust towards Him and doesn't care about his loyalty and love. At the end, Satan is defeated by the love that exists between God and His creature.

Unconditional love, God proves that all the time to show unconditional love to his children who continue to mess up and not trust him 100%.

Yet yuo do not believe Gods love is unconditional. you believe it must be earned. and can be lost.

I guess I can say I am confused. how can you get one right, then miss the other? Is Gods love unconditional or is it not?

 

[4enlightment]

6Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.?

That is how they'd shown repentance in those times, by wearing nothing but sackcloth that is made mostly from animal hair like from a sheep or a camel, and they lay in dirt or ashes and covered themselves with it; and which that shows that they aren't worthy enough not even to be in fine linen.

Luke 15:22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet.

Revelation 6:11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.

 

[prove-all]

That is how they'd shown repentance in those times,

yes true, but i was trying to ask what he was repenting for?

 

[4enlightment]

yes true, but i was trying to ask what he was repenting for?

He had felt since everything that happened to him, that he'd thought that he has done something wrong in order for these mishaps to happen to him. Because he know that whatever God decide on, there is a reason for His decision. Its says that Job was blameless, but it did not said that he wasn't a sinner; and so there is a difference between being blameless of your sins (which means to sin for the sake of righteousness like to save a life, even on the Sabbath) and just not being blameless at all.

 

[GuessWho]

Unconditional love, God proves that all the time to show unconditional love to his children who continue to mess up and not trust him 100%.

Yet yuo do not believe Gods love is unconditional. you believe it must be earned. and can be lost.

I guess I can say I am confused. how can you get one right, then miss the other? Is Gods love unconditional or is it not?

??? I am confused too. Of course God's love is unconditional. Where did I say otherwise?

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Job 42:12
So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.

Who wrecked his life?
Who punished him?
Did God hire satan?
Was it Jobs own fault?

Who wrecked his life?......So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning
Who punished him?......So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning
Did God hire satan?......So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning
Was it Jobs own fault?......So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning

James 5:11
Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

So, what was your question again?......

 

[granpa]

yes true, but i was trying to ask what he was repenting for?

he realized that the devil was trolling him and that it does no good to get angry at trolls.

In Internet terminology a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum and posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive messages as well as top post flooding and impersonating others -- designed intentionally to annoy or antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion.


A troll's main goal is usually to arouse anger and frustration or otherwise offend the message board's other participants, and will write whatever it takes to achieve this end. One popular trolling strategy is the practice of Winning by Losing. While the victim is trying to put forward solid and convincing facts to prove his position, the troll's only goal is to infuriate its prey. The troll takes (what it knows to be) a badly flawed, wholly illogical argument, and then vigorously defends it while mocking and insulting its prey. The troll looks like a complete fool, but this is all part of the plan. The victim becomes noticeably angry by trying to repeatedly explain the flaws of the troll's argument. Provoking this anger was the troll's one and only goal from the very beginning."

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, do not feed the trolls.

Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because responding encourages a true troll to continue disruptive posts — hence the often-seen warning "Please do not feed the troll". Useful advice for dealing with someone considered to be a troll is, rather than using that term, to ask them questions such as: "What is your intent?" or other questions relevant to the discussion rather than using the ad hominem label "troll."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

??? I am confused too. Of course God's love is unconditional. Where did I say otherwise?

if it is unconditional. then why do we have to work for Gods love, or lose it. Have you not been preaching that in other threads? Or am I confused?

 

[granpa]

Hebrew Lexicon :: H5162 (KJV)
נָחַם
nacham
to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted

Gen 5:29
And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

Job 42:6
Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

 

[Free-To-Be]

Job 42:12
So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.



Who wrecked his life?......So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning
Who punished him?......So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning
Did God hire satan?......So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning
Was it Jobs own fault?......So the LORD blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning

James 5:11
Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

So, what was your question again?......

The questions were clear and you never answerd one. I know Job was blessed and his suffering only lasted 9 months.

satan attacked Job but many Christians say God did and other say well God hired satan to do His dirty work as we seen in one post already. Yes God blessed Job but can you not just answer the question? So what you siad is great. But so we can learn together. We need to answer the questions and you never. But I do know where your coming from. Unless you think it was God also and are doing a little hiding behind the end result. Anything I ask is not for me its for learning.

 

[prove-all]

Hebrew Lexicon :: H5162 (KJV)
נָחַם
nacham
to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted

Gen 5:29
And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

Job 42:6
Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

not sure why gen 5 had to do with Jobs sin?

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

the land now was not cursed.

 

[granpa]

repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand

 

[GuessWho]

if it is unconditional. then why do we have to work for Gods love, or lose it. Have you not been preaching that in other threads? Or am I confused?

Where did I say you have to work for God's love? God loves you even if you don't love Him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where did I say you have to work for God's love? God loves you even if you don't love Him.

maybe I misread you?

It is not possible to get unborn again. But it is possible to lose the Holy Spirit. That's why we must renew continuously our lives by partaking with Christ (life) through the Holy Spirit that's in the church.

This does not sound like unconditional love to me. This sounds more like conditional love

 

[GuessWho]

maybe I misread you?



This does not sound like unconditional love to me. This sounds more like conditional love

Why? You think God stopped loving Adam? I don't.

 

[dcontroversal]

Who wrecked his life?
Who punished him?
Did God hire satan?
Was it Jobs own fault?

1. Nobody as he was tried, tested and came out a better man with more than before the test
2. Nobody as God allowed Satan to put him through the grinder so as to bless him more
3. No...Satan came before God boasting about the hedge around Job and believed he could get Job to sin against God
4. No...Job was righteous and upright and Satan walks around seeking to devour whomever he may devour

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why? You think God stopped loving Adam? I don't.

Not sure you think I would think such a thing.

 

[GuessWho]

Not sure you think I would think such a thing.

And I am not sure where did you come with the idea that one must work for God to love them?
I think God created us out of love and that God loves everybody, including those who don't believe in Him.

 

[dcontroversal]

I have honestly thought the main theme after all is said and done is that Job admitted he had heard of God, but now he knows Him.

No offence, but Chapter 1:1, 4-5 kind of contradicts that theory....