What are the proof texts from the Bible for Slain in the Spirit?
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Preacher: "Here's what you said: "Satan likes to counterfeit what is most helpful and transformative in the work of the Spirit, but the 5% that is real makes it worthwhile to endure and discern your way through what is counterfeit."
Spiritual discernment is one of the gifts of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:10).
Preacher: "Of course you included yourself in the 5%, all others in the Satan and of the flesh crowd, but not you."
(1) On the contrary, I put my general experience of tongues in the 95%. I explained that it was the experience I call "the high point of my life" that revealed to me the awesome potential of the real thing. You must learn to read!
(2) And you apparently can't distinguish between the strategy of Satan to sow confusion in the church from the flawed efforts of pure-hearted seekers who are just trying to use spiritual gifts to establish a more intimate connection with the Spirit.
Preacher: "I don't want your experience. I want Christ, and conversion via the Gospel of grace is the best by far."
(1) But conversion is more than a mental profession of faith in the Gospel; it is the work of the Spirit who at His own time and in His own way comes to dwell within the believer. So the exact moment and day that this happens is often unknown.
(2) You say, "I don't want your experience. Well, you should want what I experienced because what I experienced was the baptism of the Holy Spirit which we all need (Acts 1:4-5; 1 Corinthans 12:13).
(3) You say, I want Christ," as if there is no intimate personal experience of a personal relationship with Christ mediated by the Spirit.
"Preacher: "you think your personal experience transcends the word in being the highest point of one's life, which is foolishness."
Again, you glibly put words in my mouth to suit your own agenda. Far from "transcending the word," my experience confirmed the word and made the grace of God more real than mere Bible reading ever could. The word is dead until the Spirit brings it alive and applies it to our life and experience.
Preacher: "It is not by far the high point in anyone's life, not even yours. Your entire experience is to point to you, to exalt you, to talk of you. The Holy Spirit does not do this, he glorifies Christ, not experience, as you do, not yourself as you do. Christ."
(1) Now you your judgmental spirit is pontificating from ignorance of my motives. Paul had believers like you in mind when he waned:
"I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I will find out the not the [Bible]] talk of these arrogant people,, but their power. For the kingdom of God depends not on talk, but on power (1 Corinthians 4L:9-20)."
(2) The Spirit glorifies Christ through our spiritual experience, without which the Spirit is little more than a dead religious concept. Could it be that you are criticizing my experience without bothering to read my detailed testimony of how God prepared my heart to receive it and what actually happened in that blessed moment? You can find it in my 2nd post in my Speaking in Tongues thread.
Amazingly, all these nasty rabbit trails are merely ducking the OP's as yet unanswered question of the biblical basis for the phrase "slain in the Spirit." I will address that issue in my next planned post.
Spiritual discernment is one of the gifts of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:10).
Preacher: "Of course you included yourself in the 5%, all others in the Satan and of the flesh crowd, but not you."
(1) On the contrary, I put my general experience of tongues in the 95%. I explained that it was the experience I call "the high point of my life" that revealed to me the awesome potential of the real thing. You must learn to read!
(2) And you apparently can't distinguish between the strategy of Satan to sow confusion in the church from the flawed efforts of pure-hearted seekers who are just trying to use spiritual gifts to establish a more intimate connection with the Spirit.
Preacher: "I don't want your experience. I want Christ, and conversion via the Gospel of grace is the best by far."
(1) But conversion is more than a mental profession of faith in the Gospel; it is the work of the Spirit who at His own time and in His own way comes to dwell within the believer. So the exact moment and day that this happens is often unknown.
(2) You say, "I don't want your experience. Well, you should want what I experienced because what I experienced was the baptism of the Holy Spirit which we all need (Acts 1:4-5; 1 Corinthans 12:13).
(3) You say, I want Christ," as if there is no intimate personal experience of a personal relationship with Christ mediated by the Spirit.
"Preacher: "you think your personal experience transcends the word in being the highest point of one's life, which is foolishness."
Again, you glibly put words in my mouth to suit your own agenda. Far from "transcending the word," my experience confirmed the word and made the grace of God more real than mere Bible reading ever could. The word is dead until the Spirit brings it alive and applies it to our life and experience.
Preacher: "It is not by far the high point in anyone's life, not even yours. Your entire experience is to point to you, to exalt you, to talk of you. The Holy Spirit does not do this, he glorifies Christ, not experience, as you do, not yourself as you do. Christ."
(1) Now you your judgmental spirit is pontificating from ignorance of my motives. Paul had believers like you in mind when he waned:
"I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I will find out the not the [Bible]] talk of these arrogant people,, but their power. For the kingdom of God depends not on talk, but on power (1 Corinthians 4L:9-20)."
(2) The Spirit glorifies Christ through our spiritual experience, without which the Spirit is little more than a dead religious concept. Could it be that you are criticizing my experience without bothering to read my detailed testimony of how God prepared my heart to receive it and what actually happened in that blessed moment? You can find it in my 2nd post in my Speaking in Tongues thread.
Amazingly, all these nasty rabbit trails are merely ducking the OP's as yet unanswered question of the biblical basis for the phrase "slain in the Spirit." I will address that issue in my next planned post.
The expression "slain the Spirit" originated not in modern Pentecostalism, but in the First Great Awakening, where scores of people would "fall under the power" pf the Spirit's convicting anointing "like the dead on a battlefield." But people were slain in the Spirit long before that; this phenemon of falling already often happened in the great Methodist Revival and the First Great Awakening in the 1700s and is reported in meetings by giants of the faith like Jonathan Edwards, George Whitefield, and John Wesley.
This thread has not yet identified the specific NT prooftext for being "slain in the Spirit." So I should quote this text:
"When I saw Him [Christ] , I fell at His feet as though dead (Revelation 1:17)."
The word "slain" of course picks up on John's phrase "as though dead."
It is important to recognize that the phrase was not originally associated with the phenomenon of falling backwards in response to the laying on of hands! Indeed, even in modern Pentecostalism, the phrase "slain in the Spirit" means the same as the phrase "falling under the power" and the blest individual variously falls forward or backwards. Often individuals so blest fall forward for safety reasons and then roll over on their back. Thus, other prooftexts provide a biblical pattern for falling under the power: e. g.
"If all prophesy, an unbeliever or outsider who enters is reproved by all and called to account by all. The secrets of his heart are disclosed and, falling on his face, he will worship God (1 Corinthians 14:24-25)."
Falling down under the power was a natural reaction to the experience of "the glory of God" (e. g. 2 Chronicles 5:13-14; Numbers 20:6).
This thread has not yet identified the specific NT prooftext for being "slain in the Spirit." So I should quote this text:
"When I saw Him [Christ] , I fell at His feet as though dead (Revelation 1:17)."
The word "slain" of course picks up on John's phrase "as though dead."
It is important to recognize that the phrase was not originally associated with the phenomenon of falling backwards in response to the laying on of hands! Indeed, even in modern Pentecostalism, the phrase "slain in the Spirit" means the same as the phrase "falling under the power" and the blest individual variously falls forward or backwards. Often individuals so blest fall forward for safety reasons and then roll over on their back. Thus, other prooftexts provide a biblical pattern for falling under the power: e. g.
"If all prophesy, an unbeliever or outsider who enters is reproved by all and called to account by all. The secrets of his heart are disclosed and, falling on his face, he will worship God (1 Corinthians 14:24-25)."
Falling down under the power was a natural reaction to the experience of "the glory of God" (e. g. 2 Chronicles 5:13-14; Numbers 20:6).
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Evidence that when Jesus said “I am he” the power of God slain those soldiers and they all fail backwards. Now that is proof of being slain by the breath of God in the flesh. The only thing is no one physically touched those soldiers.
John 18:4-6 KJV
[4] Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? [5] They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he . And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. [6] As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. …
John 18:4-6 KJV
[4] Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? [5] They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he . And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. [6] As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. …
I think the key in understanding that oral tradition of man what some call a sign gift that must be sought after is the position of the falling as a form of worship . . Falling back or backward is used as a negative, Falling forward hiding the face is the positive. In that sense know one could see the face of God and live .
Dan like Judas both are used as negative examples. Both removed from the description of the bride of Christ the church in the Revelation 21 parable .
Dan is removed from the list of tribes in the book of Revelation that 12 gates are used to reveal the mystery of bride of Christ the new heavenly city Jerusalem.
Dan is used as a serpent to represent the father of lies as false prophets and false apostles. Judas falling to the ground also used to indicate judgement not mercy.
John 18:5-6 (KJV)They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Genesis 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
1 Samuel 4:18 And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck brake, and he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty years.
Isaiah 28: 13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken
I would offer. Backward tears down .Falling frontward in humility builds up
Genesis 17:3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
Leviticus 9:24And there came a fire out from before the Lord, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat: which when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces.
Interesting example of falling face forward in the proper manner of worship is found before their were kings in Israel .
And when they of Ashdod arose early on the morrow, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the earth before the ark of the Lord. And they took Dagon, and set him in his place again. And when they arose early on the morrow morning, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the ground before the ark of the Lord; and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold; only the stump of Dagon was left to him.1 Samuel 5:3-4
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