What came first, man or vegetation?

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onlinebuddy

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According to Gen 1:12-13, God created vegetation on the 3rd day, even before he created man.
According to Gen 2:5-7, God created man before the vegetation. Those who have this figured out, kindly explain.
The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day. [Genesis 1:12-13]

Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earthand there was no one to work the ground,but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground... [Genesis 2: 5-7]


 
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Tintin

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Vegetation came first. The focus of Chapter 2 is on the creation of mankind. The focus of Chapter 1 is the general timeline of Creation as a whole. And 'shrub of the field' (or whatever is used in differing translations) refers to cultivated land, not wild vegetation.
 
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chancer

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If I recall correctly ... spinach was made first :p .. thats why it's sooooo good
 

Jon4TheCross

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I believe the correct answer would start with understanding no beginning and no ending. God is, and so are we adopted into no beginning or ending. When did we start? I suppose if we determine something to exist by the fact that it is self aware, then man was created when man was self aware. If we determine something to exist by the fact that God knows it does...then we are back to square one...comprehending no beginning or ending, and God beyond measure.

Ephesians 1King James Version (KJV)1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
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Tintin

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You're right in saying that God has no beginning and no end, but there was a beginning to Creation. The first book of the Bible is even called Genesis for goodness sakes! And there will certainly be an end to this fallen creation and a new beginning with the New Heavens and New Earth. Forever and ever. Amen!
 
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onlinebuddy

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Vegetation came first. The focus of Chapter 2 is on the creation of mankind. The focus of Chapter 1 is the general timeline of Creation as a whole. And 'shrub of the field' (or whatever is used in differing translations) refers to cultivated land, not wild vegetation.
Cultivated crops make sense!
Here are various translations:
And no plant of the field was yet in the earth, and no herb of the field had yet sprung up- ASV
before any wild plants appeared on the earth, and before any field crops grew, -CEB
there was as yet no wild bush on the earth, and no wild plant had as yet sprung up-CJB
no grass or plants were growing anywhere. -CEV
When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up-ESV
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew-KJV
before any grasses or shrubs had sprouted from the ground-MSG
Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted,-NASB
neither wild plants nor grains were growing on the earth. -NLT
Wild bushes and plants were not on the earth yet -GW
there were no plants on the earth and no seeds had sprouted,-GNT
no shrubs had yet grown in the meadows of the earth and no vegetation had sprouted-ISV
There were no plants or grain sprouting up across the earth at first,-TLB





 

Jon4TheCross

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You're right in saying that God has no beginning and no end, but there was a beginning to Creation. The first book of the Bible is even called Genesis for goodness sakes! And there certainly be an end to this fallen creation and and new beginning with the New Heavens and New Earth.
Yes, the true story of creation has a beginning to the true story already known from beginning to ending before the story began to sound by The Word of God. If we exist in the true story already known by God before He started it, then I suppose we were known before we appeared in the story. We are spirits, and when God created the spirit of man He allowed all of us to actually exist...yes. So we were created (allowed to exist) while God already knew how wretched we were (and how awesome the born again us is), and what He would do to love us.
 

onlinebuddy

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If I recall correctly ... spinach was made first :p .. thats why it's sooooo good
If that was true, the first man would have been named "Popeye!"...and the first woman? guess...:)

 

Jon4TheCross

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With God... I have been learning that both can be true at the same time...and that is my first assumption.
 

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Of course Vegetation come first then in the sixth day GOD created Adam (human), then He got rest in the 7th day (Genesis 1:1-31 and Genesis 2: 1-7)
 
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According to Gen 1:12-13, God created vegetation on the 3rd day, even before he created man.
According to Gen 2:5-7, God created man before the vegetation. Those who have this figured out, kindly explain.
The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day. [Genesis 1:12-13]

Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earthand there was no one to work the ground,but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground... [Genesis 2: 5-7]


How does verse 5 harmonize with 1:12?

In 1:12 the complete catalog of mature vegetation has already appeared 'ON' the earth. In verse 5, no shrub of the earth was yet 'IN' the earth, i.e. no plant “of the field” had yet sprouted. This is limiting. “Of the field” refers to those things that are intended for cultivation and harvest. This is confirmed by the requisite statement “for there was no man to till the ground.”
1. This is not a barren earth but an earth that is protected from over-growth due to the lack of human involvement.
2. Grass is still growing, fruits or seeds are still being produced. The food chain is in tact. “They shall be food for you and all the animals,” 1:30.
 
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Kefa54

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Evidence for Moses authorship of the Pentateuch

Clay tablets

Clay tablets were ideal for long-term written records. Far from ‘Flintstones’ clumsiness, these could be held in one hand.
Patriarchal records may have been carried on the Ark, later used by Moses in compiling Genesis (under inspiration).

The evidence that Moses wrote the Pentateuch, often referred to in the Bible as ‘the Law’ (Hebrew torah), is overwhelming:

Contrary to the views of Wellhausen and others, archaeological research has established that writing was indeed well known in Moses’ day. The JEDP hypothesis falsely assumes that the Israelites waited until many centuries after the foundation of their nation before committing any of their history or laws to written form, even though their neighbours kept written records of their own history and religion from before the time of Moses.4
The author is obviously an eyewitness of the Exodus from Egypt, familiar with the geography,5 flora and fauna of the region;6 he uses several Egyptian words,7 and refers to customs that go back to the second millennium BC.8
The Pentateuch claims in many places that Moses was the writer, e.g. Exodus 17:14; 24:4–7; 34:27; Numbers 33:2; Deuteronomy 31:9, 22, 24.
Many times in the rest of the Old Testament, Moses is said to have been the writer, e.g. Joshua 1:7–8; 8:32–34; Judges 3:4; 1 Kings 2:3; 2 Kings 14:6; 21:8; 2 Chronicles 25:4; Ezra 6:18; Nehemiah 8:1; 13:1; Daniel 9:11–13.
In the New Testament, Jesus frequently spoke of Moses’ writings or the Law of Moses, e.g. Matthew 8:4; 19:7–8; Mark 7:10; 12:26; Luke 24:27, 44; John 5:46–47; 7:19. Jesus said that those who ‘hear not [i.e. reject] Moses’ would not be persuaded ‘though one rose from the dead’ (Luke 16:31). Thus we see that those churches and seminaries which reject the historicity of Moses’ writings often also reject the literal bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Other New Testament speakers/writers said the same thing, e.g. John 1:17; Acts 6:14; 13:39; 15:5; 1 Corinthians 9:9; 2 Corinthians 3:15; Hebrews 10:28.

Does this mean that Moses wrote Genesis without reference to any previous information? Not necessarily. Genesis comprises narratives of historical events that occurred before Moses was born. Moses may very well have had access to patriarchal records and/or reliable oral traditions of these events. In that case, such records would certainly have been preserved by being written (probably on clay tablets) and handed down from father to son via the line ofAdam-Seth-Noah-Shem-Abraham-Isaac-Jacob, etc.

There are 11 verses in Genesis which read, ‘These are (or ‘This is the book of’) the generations of …’ The Hebrew word toledoth translated ‘generations’ can also mean ‘origins’, ‘history’, or even ‘family history’, and each verse comes either before or after a description of historical events that involved the person named. The most likely explanation is that Adam, Noah, Shem, etc. each wrote an account of the events that occurred either right before or during his lifetime, and Moses, under the infallible inspiration of the Holy Spirit, selected, compiled, and edited these to produce Genesis in its present cohesive form.

(Bible Study: Creation.com Bible Gateway.)

It looks to me that Moses compiled Genesis under divine inspiration and he used information from different authors. Leading to different human accounts of events.

Just like our New Testament writings.

Kefa
 
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Kefa54

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I'd be willing to state that these books were inspired and written this way to get us to do just what we are doing now..Dig into the word.

In my spirit I have no problem with the way these books are written. God doesn't have to inspire the books the way I think they should be.

Kefa
 
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