What causes God to hide his face?

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Ariel82

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3. He Wants to Make His Face Sweeter to Us.

Not only does God sometimes hide His face from the righteous because He wants us to walk a lot closer to Him and not only does He do it because He wants us to depend on Him, but God also does it to make His face sweeter to us. Never is His face sweeter than after the time when we haven't seen It for awhile. Have you ever come to pray and said, "Lord, why did You turn Your face from Me? Why did You hide Your face from me?"
Did you ever play hid and go seek? I can recall when Becky was a little girl we played hide and seek. I would say, "Okay, Becky, it's my time to go hide. You close your eyes." She put her little hands over her face and peeked through.

I'd say, "Hide your eyes." She squinted her eyes tightly behind her fingers pressed against her face. After awhile I said, "It's your time to hide."

Quickly she would cover her eyes with her hands and say, "Come find me!" She thought she had hidden from me because she covered her eyes.

The Lord sometimes turns His eyes from us. He hides His eyes and hides His face. Have you ever been to that place? I have. Oh, listen. I preached one time about six months ago when I was tired and weary and it seemed like there was so much to think about. I had dictated over a hundred letters that day. I had so many decisions to make, money to raise, bills to pay, property to buy and sell, things to approve, staff members to advise and help, and folks to counsel (I counseled about twenty people that day). I was so tired and weary. I went to preach, and oh, the freshness was gone. While I was preaching, I said, "Lord, where are the tears?" I tried to cry and couldn't. I went to my room and said, "Lord, I'm going to pray all night if I have to; I'm going to get the sweetness back! I must have the sweetness!"

The next morning I stood to speak. It came so easily. The tears came and the joy came. When I thought about Heaven, I wanted to shout. When I thought about hell, I wanted to weep. When I thought about the love of God, I wanted to clap my hands and praise the Lord. When I thought about sin, I wanted to fall on my face and confess. Oh, how sweet it is! How sweet is the face of Jesus!

A mother died leaving a father and a little boy. They had the days of waiting for the funeral. Finally the day came when the funeral was conducted. The father and the little boy sat at the front, as many have done so often in this auditorium. Their hearts were crushed, for in the casket lay the body of their wife and mother. They followed the hearse out to the cemetery and heard the thud of the dirt as it beat on the casket that held the body of Mama and wife. They soon got in the car and drove back home. There was an empty place at the table. The little boy was tucked in bed that night and the dad went to his room. Out of the darkness of the night the boy said, "Daddy, are you there?"

"Yes, son, I'm here."

The little boy missed his mother. He missed the kiss on his brow, the tuck of the cover, the pat on the cheek, and the "good night." Again he said, "Daddy, are you there?"

"Yes, son, I'm here."

Then out of the darkness came the voice of the little boy. "Daddy, could I come and sleep with you?"

"Why, of course, you may."

The little boy got out of bed, ran in, crawled in bed and turned his face toward his daddy. The daddy went off to sleep, but soon was awakened by his little boy's voice in the darkness, "Daddy! Daddy!"

"Yes, son?"

"Daddy, is your face turned toward me?"

"Yes, son."

"Would you hold my hand?" The daddy reached out and took the little boy's hand in his.

The little boy whimpered and said, "Daddy, it's so much easier when you hold my hand and your face is turned toward me."

I thought about that night when my dad left home, never to come again in our house. I recall when my mother said "good-bye" to my dad. Our home was broken. My dad went away, never to walk back over our threshold again. I slept back in the back room of our little three-room apartment. I can recall that night. A big clock was up on our wall. It was a big grandfather clock. Everytime it would strike the hour, I would be awake. When Dad was gone for the first night, I called my mama and said, "Mama, can I come and sleep with you?" I don't know why, it just made it easier.

Oh, ladies and gentlemen, that is why God sometimes in His mercy has to say, "I am going to turn My back on you for a few minutes. I don't want to, but I'm going to. I don't want to turn My back on you. I don't want to hide My face. You haven't been in deep sin. You just haven't been as close to Me as you ought to be. You don't depend on Me like you ought to depend on Me. Our fellowship isn't as sweet as it used to be." So the Father turns His back.

I look up and say, "Oh, God, why? Why? Are You ever going to turn back again?"

The Lord turns His face back again and His face is so sweet to me!

And He walks with me,
And He talks with me,
And He tells me I am His own;
And the joys we share as we tarry there
None other has ever known.

What a fellowship, what a joy divine,
Leaning on the everlasting arms!
What a blessedness, what a peace is mine
Leaning on the everlasting arms!

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3. He Wants to Make His Face Sweeter to Us.
There is so much truth in the fact we sometimes take for granted where we are, we think it is
us rather than God providing us with His presence. We notice when it is gone for a short
while.

I realised how often we think everything is fine, when we depend on the shops, on power,
on lighting, on transport, on our jobs, on our family, on safe food and water, on clean air,
on safe streets, on friends, on the church, on family, on our education, on our past, on
our stores for the future. Take a few away, and all is upset.

We love a child who could not choose us their parent, but dishonour a partner who we
chose to love and cherish, yet dismiss for some trivial failing.

If we become children to each other, vulnerable and open, maybe we would see things
more honestly.
 
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Lots of differences true. What are the similarities?

The scenario isnt a drowning victim that needs saving. It is a husband who beats his wife and says it's his right to do so who refuses God's correction.

God will be with the wife but He will turn his face from the husband.
Ariel82 you seem to be all over the board on this one, your o.p. did not really suggest a reason. Now you added one, or two or three into the equation.
To hid his face would suggest a type of abandonment, or to refuse to bless or take part in one's life.
Also you suggest that it would be part of a chastising.
The song of Moses implies to a cause for his face to shine upon thee.
What better cause is there than pleasing the father by doing the works of the son?
 
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"To hid his face would suggest a type of abandonment, or to refuse to bless or take part in one's life."

That statement I never suggested and actually vehemently reject. People keep repeating it and it's what they believe it means for God to hide His face.

I have tried to show that it means something else, but it seems to have failed because people cling to the belief they are right and don't really pay attention to what is being said.

The nature of the conversation goes all over the place. The previous two post to this one is an article written by another. Reposted because someone said it was hard to read.
 
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Ariel82

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Nope just shows you didn't understand my statements.

Literary terms don't mean the same thing as we use in every day language.

God "hides His face" from people doesn't mean He turns His back on them, that He ignores them or that He doesn't see,what they are doing.

God allowing "His face to shine upon" them means something different then assumptions also.

Then the issue of how the Gospel saves is also another topic,
Let me make it bigger.....cuz so many people miss it.

1. God does not hide His face from people who call out to Him.
2. The term "God hides His face" does not mean God has blinded Himself. He still sees what is happening. He can still hear if people repent. It means that God takes away His Hedge of protection from around the person so that they are allowed to suffer some of the consequences of their sins.

3. God doesn't hide His face from Born again believers because they have the Holy Spirit in their hearts and that guides and leads them. There may be times when we are tested, but God warns us of those times before hand.

4. He hides His face from unbelievers who say they don't need Jesus or the Gospel. They believe they can earn their way to heaven through their own works (common theme in Buddhism, Islam, the Pharisees and some Christian circles)
Those are a summary of my conclusions after studying various Bible verses, reading articles, praying and talking to y'all in the forums.
 
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BeyondET

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Those are a summary of my conclusions after studying various Bible verses, reading articles, praying and talking to y'all in the forums.
That's good to here, maybe one day people can face the things they turn from and seek the truth.
 
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Thank you Ariel for changing the format in the article to make it readable....that was very gracious of you..:)

I see that there is no mention of the New Covenant being factored in his theory of God hiding His face from believers that are on spirit with Him in Christ.

I see a lot of "humanizing" of God to the way we humans think. Again - this "hiding of His face" from us in Christ is IMO not consistent with the whole gospel of the grace of God message. It is inconsistent with the work of Christ on the cross and resurrection and the face that we too died with Him and rose again to newness of life.


The term itself is really mis-representing God as our Father and perhaps there is a different term one can use to describe "our emotions as to whether we feel God is still with us." or the process of going through "trials/sufferings/consequences of our own actions in the flesh"?

Here is an interesting fact which may bring some things into perspective.

"The farthest object yet known, as it appears through a gravitational lens imaged by the Hubble Space Telescope is the galaxy MACS0647-JD. The galaxy is 13.3 billion light-years from Earth."

God's ways and thoughts are higher than the way we think and without factoring in what Christ has done on the cross and resurrection - we can get the wrong ideas about some things - especially with the way God dealt with man in the OT before Christ redeemed us with His blood and life.

Isaiah 55:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD.

[SUP]9 [/SUP] "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.


 
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Ariel82 you seem to be all over the board on this one, your o.p. did not really suggest a reason. Now you added one, or two or three into the equation.
To hid his face would suggest a type of abandonment, or to refuse to bless or take part in one's life.
Also you suggest that it would be part of a chastising.
The song of Moses implies to a cause for his face to shine upon thee.
What better cause is there than pleasing the father by doing the works of the son?
I think we have heard ministers preach this type of "hiding of God's face" as in refusing to bless or causing bad things to happen to Christians...etc....so the connotations behind this term is not good - wouldn't be good for young Christians either IMO.
 
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That's good to here, maybe one day people can face the things they turn from and seek the truth.
And that will never happen "no man seeks after God" That's what we're all about, preaching the gospel.
It gets so frustrating when I see that saints separate their selves from all that is considered un holy.
With that being said here me out.
God did not create us to be put in a bubble, the new creation that we are is commanded by Crist to go into the world and preach.
He has not left us alone and certainly were not defenceless. But when I see Christians making the mistake of comparing the unsaved to themselves or the Jews to them selves , that's not what it's about.
Paul repeatedly said we were once like them but still I see in this world many who separate and only keep company with Christians, only home school, only this church, only the saved need apply, with a "arnt we special" attitude.

We are called to occupy untill the master comes. Some are called to bring people to Christ, others are to bring Christ to the people. Either way we are to work while it is still day. Furthering the kingdom while we are seeking the kingdom.. continuing Christ ministry untill he returns.
 
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Ariel82

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We first seek God because God first sought us. Prevenient grace.
 
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Miri

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I've had a quick skim through some of this thread but not read it all.
A few thoughts came to mind sorry if others have already said this.


John 14 v 15 - 31


Nothing lasts in this world. Jesus was going away from the disciples to the cross, but he said
he was coming back. God the son said he would ask God the father to send God the Holy Spirit.
He would remain forever to be with us and for us and in us.




We look for signs and wonders and if none, we can sometimes assume the Holy Spirit is not present.
But he is always present whether it appears he is or not. It is the Holy Spirit that wakes up and
anews our spirit. Without him the OP wouldn't even be considering and asking the question! :)

The Holy Spirit does remind, nudge, convict when we are in the wrong.
But as I briefly heard recently, God is not like an angry pagan God who needs to be given
offerings to appease his anger every time we do something wrong. Someone was talking about
a trip to India where the people would give offerings of food to idols to appease them and turn away
their wrath. They had so many gods and idols they could not even remember who they had given
what to!





The primary function of the Holy Spirit in us is to bring us into a personal relationship
with the creator of the world. To be a helper, a counsellor, to bring knowledge etc.


John 14:16 NKJV
[16] And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-

He is the God who will never leave you nor forsake you.




God does not storm out slamming the door when we get it wrong. We might but he doesn't.:)
1 Cor 3 v 16 the Corinthian church was very young and immature, they kept getting it wrong didn't they.
God did not abandon them every time they got it wrong, the Holy Spirit did not abandon them. Instead
he sent them Paul!

The Holy Spirit did not leave the individuals in the Corinthian church, instead they they took him along
for the ride into their sinfulness. He does not leave but he does get grieved. Think about that for a
moment each born again Christian has the living Holy God on the inside of them. It grieves him when
we take him into places or situations which cause us to sin, or when our thoughts and actions are wrong. But he does
not throw a hissy fit and storm off.




Maybe we need to cultivate a life that recognises the presence of the Holy Spirit, of the work of Jesus etc.
on the inside of us and also be more open and sensitive to his convicting nudges.

Don't think of god as an angry father, but a loving father who never leaves nor forsakes.
Yes we grieve him, I know I must! But he calls to us convicts, disciplines, loves, refines, teaches,
but never leaves.




2 Corinthians 1:21-22 NKJV
[21] Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, [22] who also has
sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
 
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Just my thoughts, I think it would be better to say, "why do we sometimes FEEL like God has turned His face from us". Jesus said that He would never leave us or forsake us...so God does not turn from us, but sometimes we feel as if God has turned from us. I wish I could give an answer for that one, when I feel or experience God, I think I could walk out and face a lion, and when I don't, I think I would run from a mouse. Does God do this to us or do we do it to ourselves...wish I knew.
 
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We first seek God because God first sought us. Prevenient grace.
Amen, Prevenient grace, the face of God, the back parts or after part .

Exodus 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

A little poem I wrote when looking at that passage .

The back parts

In the dawning of your love... this day breaks forth anew, the fast is surely broken, as I awake my spiritual hunger turns towards you.

Now looking for your precious love, it awakens me and me finds me waiting here... filling my cup to overflowing..... this is your love for sure, it leads us to where we are going.

Your love has so awakened me, as it has desired so, this cannot be mistaken where your love leads me, I will surely go.
Looking in hopeful anticipation the gate of your fellowship swings open to this day anew and in humble adoration we follow, as your lamp unto our feet............ leads us through.

Step by step we follow your path as the light of your word guides our hearts from above. Marveling at the fact for our trespass you did pay, but stop and ask why?

Walking with joy towards your mansion, we pause to drink from your living water of delight. This raises our hope like putting on armor; we are strengthened by the authority of your’ might.

Times along this journey are sometimes rough we know... a stone of a false gospel may cause us to stumble, and that dark valley, so, so far......... below.

We sometimes feel overshadowed falling behind. In this dark and dreary valley, how much longer....the occurring theme that echoes in our mind?

Suddenly lifted high in visions of rapture... upon the solid Rock of Christ, we stand. We look in anticipation for you to speak a word.... but we find we can only sigh. We ask that we might see your face, we ask... please do not deny.

Suddenly we find ourselves in a cleft of a Rock, as the place we firmly stand. Could this be the answer of seeking your face.. your gracious and loving reply?

The cloud of your presence now veils the light as your Glory passes by. Blinded by this wonderful grace. Suddenly your veil now is lifted high.

Sounds of battle we faintly hear, as we look our vision still blurry and marred. You are the victor of our faith, our Holy shield, and our rear guard.

Us stragglers and strays you left not behind but in love said follow me.. By this love you made the victory sure, by your blood you set us free.

Such unfailing love that rescues those you bought, such love that knows no end, we thank you Jesus for being our Savior, and also for being our loving friend.
 
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I think God has manner issues like what i mean is he hides his face when he burps or gets wind after a good curry chuckle chuckle :D
 
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Wow haven't seen this thread in a week.

Jimbo got fart jokes....

How are you today Jimbo?