What did Jesus mean when He said...

[Chuckyz2]

Only if you taste with your eyes yet since there are many who believe that they hear with their eyes then it only stands to reason that will be some who should taste with their eyes as well.

Regardless of what method you hear, it isn't written that Jesus ever said that "if you keep his commands you would never taste death", nor is written that Jesus ever said "you will never taste death."

It is written that he said that "there be some" that "which shall not taste of death, till" but that clearly represents that when they see those things he spoke of then they would taste of death.

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Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matt 16:28​

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And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. Mark 9:1​

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But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. Luke 9:27​

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While one might hear that Jesus said "If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death." yet if one looks in John 8:52 they can see it is written that it wasn't Jesus but those heard him claim that he said that if any man keep his saying he shall never taste of death. Thus they said, "and thou sayest, "If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death."

"Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, "If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death." John 8:52

John 8
24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.
This is the verse they were referring too. It is the same.
And they heard Him say it before:
John 6
50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever.

John 6
54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life.

Now to put it in context, he speaks about those who haven't and they are dead.

John 6
49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.

Do you see that if you believe, truly believe, you will keep His word. His commandments.
And by doing so you do not need saving and you are free from the condemnation of the penalty of sin which is death. Not the lake of fire.

Everyone sins therefore everyone dies. Save 2.
Therefore everyone needs saving after they die.
Then comes the resurrection. The tribulation and a great multitude that could not be counted go in. ANd a great multitude come out washed in His blood dressed in white singing praise to the Father. That is everyone.

 

[Chuckyz2]

Thanks Chuckyz2. Another cool thing about that story is that all of the originals children, the second born generation, made it into the promise land which I think is a type of born again believers entering into the promise land - His rest.

You have been given great understanding. And I have learned from it. Thank you too. Preach it!

 

[DarthStav]

What did Jesus mean when He said in Matthew 7:13-14 NKJV, "Enter in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be who go in there: Because narrow is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it."

Did He mean only a few will be saved, or only a few find abundant life on earth?

Yes, what did Jesus mean exactly.

 

[Embankment]

What did Jesus mean when He said in Matthew 7:13-14 NKJV, "Enter in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be who go in there: Because narrow is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it."

Did He mean only a few will be saved, or only a few find abundant life on earth?

At the time Jesus was speaking to Jews who he knew would never be followers of God. I suppose it is the the same today. Only a remnant of people will choose to follow Christ.

 

[Zmouth]

Based on your reply, you believe God is incapable of cogently expressing His own Word. "I never knew ye, depart from me" becomes a confused, "oh yea, I guess you did call on the name of the Lord . . . wow, you must be saved after all? I must have forget!"

"Many will say to me in that day,...." Matt 7:22

 

[Deade]

Yes you must believe. I never said a non believer isn't saved. Where we differ in interpretations is you ignore the simply stated and twist other simple English to justify your theology. You also put a time limit on when one has to become a believer before they are saved. Before they actually die in the first life. You fail to recognize that it is not over when you die. Why would there be a tribulation? You do know the tribulation is resurrected people, do you not?

Actually the tribulation is before the second resurrection you seem to be referring to. The time most will know the true way to Christ is known as the judgment [think of a period of time under a particular judge in ancient Israel].

Also, to think the word condemned means "will be cast into the lake of fire" is utter nonsence and you have to just be not thinking about what it says. Think about this:

If they are condemned already, that means no one that was ever a non believer can become a believer. They are condemned to the lake of fire already. Condemned means they will suffer the penalty of sin. Death. Condemned to die. Everyone but 2 die in their sin. Enoch and Elijah.
If you keep my commands you will never taste death
The penalty of sin is death.

Yes, everyone not called is considered the walking dead. You failed to bring out that the firstfruits church is being judged daily as we work out our salvation.
1 Pet. 4:17 "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"

The salvation comes at the last day after the tribulation when that which the man had that caused him not to believe, is cast into the lake of fire. The devil and his angels. The ruler of this world.
The ruler of this world will be judged.

You can believe how like. Im good with it. If you are a human being, you will be saved eventually. You will believe eventually. Every knee shall bow.

I would only add that some people will still not choose God's way even after knowing what the true way is. Some people love their evil ways. It tells us they will be destroyed along with all the demon spirits in the lake of fire.

 

[Zmouth]

And they heard Him say it before:

Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. John 12:44

"...that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live." Deut 8:3

John 6
50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.

And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Luke 3:22

John 8
24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.
This is the verse they were referring too. It is the same.

Have you ever considered that you have italicized in error?

Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Ex 3:14

17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Deut 18:17-19

I am the LORD: that is my name: Isa 42:8

Our Father that art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. I wonder if you know him?

Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?John 10:36

 

[Magenta]

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[Chuckyz2]

Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. John 12:44

"...that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live." Deut 8:3



And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Luke 3:22



Have you ever considered that you have italicized in error?

Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Ex 3:14

17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Deut 18:17-19

I am the LORD: that is my name: Isa 42:8

Our Father that art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. I wonder if you know him?

Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?John 10:36

You are not addressing my posts in a way that can allow us to come to any real conclusions. I have no idea what you are talking about. Sorry

Jesus simply stated that if you really believe and that would mean you would keep his word, that you would not die. I'm assuming that you don't see that in the scripture I posted. Even the Pharisees saw it. The Christians of that time saw it. And it was Gospel for 80% of Christians up until the Romans started twisting the truth. As was the Gospel of all peoples being saved. And for good reason. It was simply stated over and over. The plain and simple fact that you can't see it and most that claim to love Jesus can't see it is evidence of a powerful deceiver within most people. And that was heavily discussed in scripture also.
If a man hears my words and rejects them, I do not judge Him. For I have not come to judge the World but to save the world.
Everyone rejects Him and their sin is proof.
Just saying you believe is not even close to enough.
Actions show just how loyal we are. We all fail.
Fortunately your theology is wrong as shown by
by simply stated written verses in the Bible.
Because if you were right
nobody would make it to paradise.
Fortunately death is the penalty but is followed
with being healed and made new by I AM.
Satan and His angels cast and everyone learning
that free will needs a satan for their to be a choice.
Then only Gods will shall be done at that time and
forever more.

 

[Chuckyz2]

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Only two have so far. Every one else died or will die. Not complicated.
But the misunderstanding is also combined with a very high percentage of all mankind going into the lake of fire. What a horrible evil religion that is. Just unbelievably evil. Satan wins big time. You will be so happy when you are shown the truth that not one single human being is lost. It is so simply stated over and over and over again.

 

[Zmouth]

Jesus simply stated that if you really believe and that would mean you would keep his word, that you would not die.

"...and the dead in Christ shall rise first:" 1 Thess 4:16

I'm assuming that you don't see that in the scripture I posted.

"...for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Matt 16:17

And I pointed out that you italicized the flesh, not the word in John 8:24, or at least IMO

 

[Chuckyz2]

"...and the dead in Christ shall rise first:" 1 Thess 4:16



"...for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Matt 16:17

And I pointed out that you italicized the flesh, not the word in John 8:24, or at least IMO

First, I don't italicize. It comes that way from the program I copy paste from. I usually use the KJV.
That was from the NKJV on Bible gateway. The KJV doesn't cap the h in "he" and it is not italicized.
I use the NKJV sometimes because I can have it red letter everything Jesus said. I usually go back
to the KJV and copy. Must have been lazy. : )

The dead in Christ is a good point. So with that how do you think it changes the verses I posted?
DO we have a contraction? If not please define the verses I posted the way you think they are defined.
Or what they actually say in your view.

I will then talk about "dead in Christ"

 

[Deade]

You will be so happy when you are shown the truth that not one single human being is lost. It is so simply stated over and over and over again.

I've got news for you. Some people are evil just like Satan. They don't deserve and won't be saved in the end. God is purging evil from His universe. The most kind thing for an evil person is to be destroyed, rather than let them continue spinning their own reality.

1 Cor. 6:9a "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of
God?"

There are only two classes of people: The inheritors and the unsaved.

 

[Chuckyz2]

I've got news for you. Some people are evil just like Satan. They don't deserve and won't be saved in the end. God is purging evil from His universe. The most kind thing for an evil person is to be destroyed, rather than let them continue spinning their own reality.

1 Cor. 6:9a "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of
God?"

There are only two classes of people: The inheritors and the unsaved.

The evil guy that had the demons...
They were purged and the man was better.
And what about Saul, who became Paul?
About as evil as it gets aside from killing Jesus.
Those who by the way He asked the Father to forgive
and said "they know not what they do.

Yes there are evil men. There have always been.
The Bible is pretty clear in that they are evil
because of Satan and his angels and the
Salvation is about removing them and Gods
Spirit taking the wheel from then on.

 

[Zmouth]

I've got news for you. Some people are evil just like Satan.

Well, I suspect those who believe in creation are not going to be happy with that news considering what is written in Isaiah 45:7.

 

[Deade]

Well, I suspect those who believe in creation are not going to be happy with that news considering what is written in Isaiah 45:7.

Isa. 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Just how does the Lord create evil and darkness? By defining them as such. God calls sin evil and dark. He defines these further line upon line in His law:

Rom. 7:7 "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet."

 

[Zmouth]

Just how does the Lord create evil and darkness? By defining them as such. God calls sin evil and dark. He defines these further line upon line in His law:

Or possibly the LORD created darkness by his light and created evil by his word:

What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light:
and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
Matt 10:27

 

[Chuckyz2]

Or possibly the LORD created darkness by his light and created evil by his word:

What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light:
and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
Matt 10:27

It is a stretch to think evil was created, (or came to be) by His Good. That would imply evil existed before God.
God created evil and for a purpose. He said He created it. You have to take to heart it must be so. And if He is indeed a loving God, with no evil intentions, then there has to be a very good reason that it was created. And do not overlook that as it was created, so shall it be removed and it shall never return.

When you see the simple reality of it, it is only to introduce free will. For to have free will, there must be a choice different from what God would want or "will". And that is always bad for one reason or another.

We are commanded to pray for the Fathers will to be done.
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done. On Earth as it is in Heaven.

This is for the future. When Satan and his angels are removed
and only Gods will shall be done from then on.

So He created it, evil, and we know that is Satan.
And He allowed Satan to roam and deceive.
For we know God could at any given time...
put Satan down with just a Word in an instant.

Take that to heart because it is the truth
Or God is not almighty and your future
would be unguaranteed.

And anything that makes these facts
contradictory, have to be look at closely.
And when you do the true meaning of
them are easily seen.

There is only one theology that eliminates
all contradictions. The one where the Father
sends the Son to save the world. All peoples.
For the Father allowed the deception. Created
it even. And it is responsible for sin. Sin that
causes pain, suffering and eventually death.
Thus we learn there is but only one way
for perfection to hold fast forever.
Gods way.
No free will.
Only Gods will.

 

[Zmouth]

It is a stretch to think evil was created, (or came to be) by His Good. That would imply evil existed before God.
God created evil and for a purpose. He said He created it. You have to take to heart it must be so. And if He is indeed a loving God, with no evil intentions, then there has to be a very good reason that it was created. And do not overlook that as it was created, so shall it be removed and it shall never return.

Can you pick one?

On one hand you say it is a stretch to think that evil was created by his good word since that would imply evil existed before God. (How you came to that conclusion I don't have a clue) However if the LORD is a God of truth then why is it a stretch of the truth that evil was created?

But on the other hand you claim that God created evil and he said he created it, so is that his good word?

 

[Chuckyz2]

Can you pick one?

On one hand you say it is a stretch to think that evil was created by his good word since that would imply evil existed before God. (How you came to that conclusion I don't have a clue) However if the LORD is a God of truth then why is it a stretch of the truth that evil was created?

But on the other hand you claim that God created evil and he said he created it, so is that his good word?