What do you think about information in the Bible

[wwjd_kilden]

Could be useful if other find the thread, besides, I think he is still able to read posts

 

[megaman125]

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.


OK i got a few more for you to scrutinize

I know he's banned, but I just wanted to point out that these are not contradictions. For instance, Genesis 2:4-9 does NOT say that man was created before the trees, Genesis 2:19 does NOT say that man was created before birds/animals, and Genesis 1:26-27 does NOT say that man and woman were created at the same time. These contradictions have already been debunked on my website, which I will link to the pages that prove these contradiction claims to be wrong.

Genesis 1:11-13 vs. Genesis 2:4-9
Genesis 1:25-27 vs. Genesis 2:18-19
Genesis 1:27 vs. Genesis 2:21-23

 

[resurrection33]

I was just wondering what everyone thought about the various contradictions in the bible, im not saying its wrong, im just wondering how YOU explain the various contradictions strewn all throughout the bible.

http://sciencebasedlife.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/biblecontradictions-reasonproject.png

PS. I'm not attacking Christianity, and not using false information, i was just wondering what you thought from your point of view

God and Jesus are frequently quoted in the Bible. Nothing they said is incorrect, and their teachings show us the way to eternal life, peace, and security, even here on earth.

 

[loveme1]

Does anyone see Genesis 1 all taking place before Adam who was formed to live in the garden of Eden?

Genesis 2

8 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed

Genesis 1

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

The contradiction comes from the teaching that they describe the same thing....

I believe the Bible is describing two creations.

Consider that Adam was sent into the already populated earth from Eden....

I believe the contradictions are denounced with the true understanding.

While i'm unsure of all details i believe that Genesis is a symbolic account of what literally took place... a censored version.


Remember that Abel and cain both offered to Yahvah God:

Genesis 4

4 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

Quite clearly not all things that came to pass are spoken of......

 

[megaman125]

The contradiction comes from the teaching that they describe the same thing....

They are describing the same thing. It's just that Genesis 1+2 is not all chronological order. Genesis 1 gives you chronological order for the 6 days of creation. Genesis 2 adds more details, but makes almost no reference to any sort of chronological order (or reference to the days of cretaion).

I believe the Bible is describing two creations.

No, they aren't "2 different creation stories." This is just your opinion, and there's nothing to support it.

Consider that Adam was sent into the already populated earth from Eden....

Wait, how do you know the earth was already populated (with people that is)?

 

[loveme1]

My opinion maybe.

To be continued.

 

[Dude653]

I think some of the apparant contradictions in the Bible are errors in translation

 

[megaman125]

I think some of the apparant contradictions in the Bible are errors in translation

Some of them. KJV has a lot of examples of this. Generally these examples involve errors in numbers that occured during translation (for whatever reason). In each case, the original Hebrew/Greek manuscripts do not have those errors.

 

[nicolefxo]

the information in the bible tells you a lot about yourself...it gives you encouragement, and words of wisdom when youre down and lonely

its the best book ever made and more people should read it

 

[loveme1]

Genesis 1

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 2

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Genesis 2 - Adam was formed first

Genesis 1- male and female formed after the beast, cattle, fowl and creepy things..



Genesis 4

9And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? 10And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. 11And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; 12When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. 13And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear. 14Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. 15And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Who was going to slay cain?

 

[GRA]

I know the OP's been banned but wonder if we should go through all the scriptures from that link he gave, just to confirm there are no contradictions...

If you do -- it would probably be a good idea to start a new thread - created strictly for that purpose.

Just a thought...

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[loveme1]

Genesis 5

5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Genesis 1
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 5


3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

Does anyone have anything to say about the above?

Is Adam a name or is it a term to describe the creation? or both?


It is such a delicate matter, and let it be known it is confusing for myself, but i consider that when the Bible is read Old and New front to back it reveals more for instance:


Genesis 6

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Who are the sons of Yahvah God?

Giants?

I know there is a conventional explanation for the questions being posed....

If we jump ahead to Job, does the Bible itself not explain who the sons of Yahvah God are?

Job 1

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Job 38

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

I have shared my understanding which is very limited, something tells me there is so much we know not and need not know....

But that which is revealed throughout scripture is given for our understanding.


Once again i believe that Genesis is symbolic in parts to tell a censored account of what came to pass long before us.

Salvation is not knowing all things but knowing that Yahvah God sent Yahshua the Messiah into the world to bring us Salvation.

All those that believe and accept are part of the New Covenant.

 

[Cobus]

This guy is banned why should we still answer his questions, And the contradictions he qouted REALLY does not make sence to the WORLD becasue the WORLD CANNOT RECIEVE THE WORD OF GOD!

 

[loveme1]

This guy is banned why should we still answer his questions, And the contradictions he qouted REALLY does not make sence to the WORLD becasue the WORLD CANNOT RECIEVE THE WORD OF GOD!

Let us not exclude anyone, for we know not who can or cannot receive the Word.

Let us offer it freely.

 

[megaman125]

Genesis 2 - Adam was formed first

Genesis 1- male and female formed after the beast, cattle, fowl and creepy things..

It's not a contradiction, and that's not what Genesis 2 says. I already addressed this above with the link to my website, but in case you missed it, I'll link you to it again.

Genesis 1:25-27 vs. Genesis 2:18-19

 

[loveme1]

Genesis 2

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Genesis 2

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

My version does not contain the had?

Of course it is "formed" being written past tense it would not read well : Lord God form every beast etc...

 

[loveme1]

Genesis 1

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

It says "have dominion over the" that means like it is written the animals first.


And

Genesis 2

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

He could not be alone and in need of " help meet for him"
If the animals are already there.

"I will make" is not "I will bring"......

 

[megaman125]

My version does not contain the had?

That's irrelevant. It's still past tense, aka, referring to something in the past.

Of course it is "formed" being written past tense it would not read well : Lord God form every beast etc...

No, it wouldn't be "The Lord God form every beast..." it would be "The Lord God forms every beast..." But it doesn't use the word "forms" it used "formed" which is still past tense and still referring to a past event.

He could not be alone and in need of " help meet for him"
If the animals are already there.

"I will make" is not "I will bring"......

Yes, it says "I will make," that still isn't helping your case for Man being created before animals. Adam was alone in the sense that he was the only human.

This is the order of events here:

1. Animals are created
2. Man is created.
3. Animals are brought to Adam to be named.
4. Eve is created.

As I said, Genesis 2 simply has more details from Genesis 1. They're not two different creation stories. Heck, Genesis 1 and 2 were written by the same author, it wouldn't make sense to have them as 2 different/contradicting stories.

 

[loveme1]

I did read your view on your website, but it did not swing it for me.

I will remain open on this and see if anyone else comes with insight because i'm not fully sure what i have said to be correct either.

 

[megaman125]

I did read your view on your website, but it did not swing it for me.

I will remain open on this and see if anyone else comes with insight because i'm not fully sure what i have said to be correct either.

Based on your previous posts, I did pick up on the idea that you did read my site. Whether or not something convinces you is irrelevant. In general, if a person does not want to believe something (ex. they're stubborn), they will always deny it, regardless of any facts, logic, or reason. So the fact that it didn't convince you isn't really relevant to me. I'm more interested in if you could explain where my site is wrong. If you can't explain why my site is wrong, would that not be in favor of it being right? If it's right and you find no fault in it, why do you still reject it? Wouldn't rejecting at such a point be considered intellectually dishonest?