WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO "PROVE ALL THINGS?"

[sevenseas]

1Th 5:20　 Do not despise prophecies.

This comes right before prove all things which is to test. 　

first, learn what prophecy actually is

it is not what Copeland, Joyner, Bickle, Cain and the other 'strange fire' lunatics do

it's going to bite them all in the butt

and that is not a prophecy. it is simply what God has already spoken so I have no problem saying it too

only He says He will spew them...same thing I guess

 

[sevenseas]

Oh Bluto......

.I said that Jesus did not come out and say "I am God" But he did demonstrate it.

you and stones are woefully ignorant of scripture yet you want to teach...both of you believe you have some kind of inside scoop on all things spiritual

it's not what Jesus did, it is, quite simply, what He said.

For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:18

 

[sevenseas]

John 8:48-59American Standard Version (ASV)

48 The Jews answered and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a demon? 49 Jesus answered, I have not a demon; but I honor my Father, and ye dishonor me. 50 But I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my word, he shall never see death. 52 The Jews said unto him, Now we know that thou hast a demon. Abraham died, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my word, he shall never taste of death.

53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, who died? and the prophets died: whom makest thou thyself? 54 Jesus answered, If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing: it is my Father that glorifieth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God; 55 and ye have not known him: but I know him; and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be like unto you, a liar: but I know him, and keep his word.

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced [a]to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad. 57 The Jews therefore said unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am.

59 They took up stones therefore to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple



that's the 'crime' right there. you're welcome and while I am on the subject, it occurs to me, that Jesus has left the temple (figuratively) many times because the so called Christians in them, do not recognize Him, but instead accept strange 'spiritual' occurences in His place and they feed off them, recommend them and chase all over the country wanting more because these false things do not satisfy. they are broken cisterns and not living waters

 

[Denadii]

You know denadii, it really does not surprise me at how "Biblical ignorant" you are as well as wof teachers and preachers. So your saying that just because Jesus Christ told copeland that He did not use the exact words, "I am God" that makes his prophecy true? But yet your giving Jesus credit because He demonstrated He was God?

If you really want to get technical read the prophecy again, "They crucified Me for claiming that I was God" True or false denadii, did the Jews crucifiy Jesus Christ for claiming He was God? Yes, of course they did so why would Jesus Christ tell that lying copeland that He/Jesus did not use the exact words, "I am God?" What's the point.

Secondly, if you really want to get technical the next few words of copeland's prophecy says, "I just claimed I walked with Him." Ok denadii, where in the Bible did Jesus Christ use the exact words, "I just claimed I walked with Him?" I realize that some around here might think this all about nothing but this man is teaching lies that outright upsets the faith of many.

Any man that claims to be a prophet and prophecy is wrong he is a false prophet, period. You said denadii, that the proper thing to do was to meet with the person and iron things out. That is exactly what Dr. Walter Martin attempted to do but copeland changed his mind and said I will not meet with you because you hate me. Then copleand (in the letter I provided) says, "I hold you responsible for ever misquoting me again concerning this statement" by putting the blame on Dr. Martin, now it's Dr. Martin's fault and copeland ends up being the victim. Boy, does that ever sound familar today. Your boy copeland lies, and you swear to it denadii.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Bluto How do you learn anything with your constant picking at nits? I mean, you're no brainiac. You constantly criticize everything everyone says with the exception of your thick headed, ignorant negative, and self righteous friends. You, I think, are a critical, hateful, and bitter person who is incapable of intelligent conversation. Stop talking to me. If you want to know if Jesus claimed to be God. Read the bible, and stop your stupid strife You're like Jesus' persecutors. You only listen to find something to condemn with.

 

[bluto]

Bluto How do you learn anything with your constant picking at nits? I mean, you're no brainiac. You constantly criticize everything everyone says with the exception of your thick headed, ignorant negative, and self righteous friends. You, I think, are a critical, hateful, and bitter person who is incapable of intelligent conversation. Stop talking to me. If you want to know if Jesus claimed to be God. Read the bible, and stop your stupid strife You're like Jesus' persecutors. You only listen to find something to condemn with.

It's amazing on how dense your thinking is denadii? I'm not the one that's saying Jesus never claimed to be God, it's your heretical teacher copeland who said that Jesus did not claim to be God. And your darn right I'm going to be critical of false teachings and naming names of these wolves till the day I die. If you don't like it, well that's tuff cookies. Quit being a "wimp" and deal with it instead of protecting these savage wolves. :ek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Denadii]

It's amazing on how dense your thinking is denadii? I'm not the one that's saying Jesus never claimed to be God, it's your heretical teacher copeland who said that Jesus did not claim to be God. And your darn right I'm going to be critical of false teachings and naming names of these wolves till the day I die. If you don't like it, well that's tuff cookies. Quit being a "wimp" and deal with it instead of protecting these savage wolves. :ek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

The only thing I have to deal with Bluto is your incessant *****ing about one point in the words of a man you claim to have nothing to do with. Your hypocrisy is sickening. Your constant fighting over something you do not even listen to is just plain stupid. Jesus said He was God in a round about way. As I said He did not say "I am God" Son of God; If you have seen me you have seen the father; my Father and I are one.........He said he was God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So what's your problem?! All you are interested in here is fighting. NOTHING more. You are not interested in learning. You are not interested in teaching or protecting anybody. All you want is to fight and hold some sort of kangaroo court like the religious fanatics that kicked my Lady and I out of that church for asking a simple question. Go away! Even your bully tactics will not cause me to leave this site. I will leave this forum when I choose to go.

 

[bluto]

The only thing I have to deal with Bluto is your incessant *****ing about one point in the words of a man you claim to have nothing to do with. Your hypocrisy is sickening. Your constant fighting over something you do not even listen to is just plain stupid. Jesus said He was God in a round about way. As I said He did not say "I am God" Son of God; If you have seen me you have seen the father; my Father and I are one.........He said he was God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So what's your problem?! All you are interested in here is fighting. NOTHING more. You are not interested in learning. You are not interested in teaching or protecting anybody. All you want is to fight and hold some sort of kangaroo court like the religious fanatics that kicked my Lady and I out of that church for asking a simple question. Go away! Even your bully tactics will not cause me to leave this site. I will leave this forum when I choose to go.

Oh no denadii, you got me all wrong? If your think my only "beef" with copeland happens to be this false prophecy then you must be living on the planet Pluto. Here is just a sampling of some of his other heretical teachings.
Kenneth Copeland - God is the greatest failure in the universe.
“I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is. ... The biggest one is God. ... I mean, He lost His top-ranking, most anointed angel; the first man He ever created; the first woman He ever created; the whole earth and all the Fullness therein; a third of the angels, at least—that’s a big loss, man ... Now, the reason you don’t think of God as a failure is He never said He’s a failure. And you’re not a failure till you say you’re one.” (Praise-a-Thon program on TBN [April 1988] )
Kenneth Copeland - The death of Jesus on the Cross did not pay the price for sins.
“It wasn’t the physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin ... anybody could do that.” (What Satan Saw on the Day of Pentecost)
“Every prophet that walked the face of the earth under the Abrahamic covenant could have paid the price if it were a physical death only” “When He said ‘It is finished’ on that cross, He was not speaking of the plan of redemption. The plan of redemption had just begun; there were still three days and three nights to be gone through.” “[Jesus] accepted the sin nature of Satan in His own Spirit, and at the moment that He did so, He cried ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’.” “He [Jesus] was down in that pit and there he suffered the punishment for three horrible days and nights for Adam’s treason ... There is a new birth takes place in the very depths of the earth, when the command of God says ‘That’s enough, loose him and let him go’.” (What Happened from the Cross to the Throne)
Kenneth Copeland - The deification of Satan.
Satan is deified as the God this world and is positioned with so much power that he could manage to “turn the light off in God.”
Kenneth Copeland - On commanding God
"As a believer, you have a right to make commands in the name of Jesus. Each time you stand on the Word, you are commanding God to a certain extent because it is His Word." - Our Covenant with God, Kenneth Copeland Publications, 1987, p. 32
"When we use the spiritual laws that God has set up, God must obey what we request." - Praise the Lord, TBN, February 5, 1986
And btw, this is only the tip of the iceberg. Wait until I post others that are just as bad if not worse. You should also know that it is "NOT" my goal to force you to leave Church Chat. I want you here posting to show others how Satan uses people to do his bidding. Lastly, do you agree with the teachings of copeland I just posted?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto