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p_rehbein

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Matthew 6:5-6
Jesus told us to pray in private and to NOT pray in public like the heathens do.
Unfortunately, many of today's followers of His ignore His words because they would prefer to wave their arms around just so they could be seen being "holy" - when Jesus told us, specifically, NOT to do this.

So you have a choice - Follow the words of Jesus Christ and pray in your room, your closet, while alone on a walk, etc., or you can HATE His words, ignore them, and throw your arms around like a banshee so that others can see how "holy" you are.
Do you believe that the writings of the Apostles were Holy Spirit inspired?

Do you understand that what Jesus was teaching was to not make a "SPECTACLE" of prayer?
 

p_rehbein

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perhaps I am not understanding or I used the wrongs words when asking my question. I will try again.
When is praying for an individual(s) forbidden? Why is it forbidden to pray for someone?
It is not forbidden under the Covenant of Grace, which is the Covenant we live under. It is TAUGHT! Throughout the Epistles, and the Book of Acts you will find it TAUGHT.
 
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I read your profile, and it offers clues to the thought process you display in the quoted comment. I might suggest that you begin by understanding that people are not "brought up as Christians." A person is not a Christian because their parents or grandparents were Christians.......learn how a person becomes a Christian, then, possibly, you will achieve some level of understanding as to "what that guy was rambling on about."

Hope that helps
to become a Christian, one has to repent, be baptized with water in the name of Jesus Christ and be filled with the Holy Ghost correct??
Act 2:38 , John 3:23, Acts 11:16 (KJV)
 
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We can pray with our near in Church as group prayer on Divine Liturgy,we can pray at our homes as single prayer.We can pray with our voice and we can pray in our heart,by our words or from prayer book.
Jesus Christ said that we must pray one for another.As Christianity is union of believers in one body which is Church,not two different visible and invisible,and as Jesus Christ is God of alive not dead,we can ask our Saints departed in Christ for intercession for us in front of Lord Jesus Christ.Multitude miracles were happened by intercessions of our lovely Saints,when we ask them for help.Power of prayer is amazing.Prayers change lifes.
 

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Prayer in it's simplest terms is talking to God who is our Father. Jesus warned us about formal prayers that are repeated over and over again assuming that by repetition they will be heard. Vain repetitious prayers are useless. There are prayers that are so intense emotionally that we cannot even utter the words. My Father and I converse often and about many things. He has bid me to come and to come boldly into His presence. Nothing is too insignificant for Him to hear. He has told me through His word that some folks will not be helped even though I should be moved to pray for them. Those of a seared conscience who are reprobate from the truth will not profit by my prayer. I do not always know who these are so I pray trusting my Father to discern who will be helped and who will not.

Public prayers done for show are an insult to God. They are prayed by unbelieving hearts and have no merit. Yes I'm talking about prayers done by priests every service from the prayer book and they solicit responses from the congregation. Many of these are done every week by tradition for centuries. They have no life in them because of unbelief. Scripture says that God heareth not sinners.

For the cause of Christ
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p_rehbein

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to become a Christian, one has to repent, be baptized with water in the name of Jesus Christ and be filled with the Holy Ghost correct??
Act 2:38 , John 3:23, Acts 11:16 (KJV)

.......close, but, no............still, close........but in Christianity "close" don't count......it ain't horseshoes.
 
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what does the bible say about praying? Does the bible say anything about when one NOT to pray for others? If so please list the book chapter and verse. Thank you.


No one can change God's mind through prayer. If that was possible God would have changed his mind and would have listened to Jesus Christ in the garden of Getsamane.

And He went a little farther, and fell on His face, and prayed saying, O MY FATHER, IF IT BE POSSIBLE, LET THIS CUP [this cup of death—being beaten beyond recognition, being made sin offering, and crucified for the sins of humanity] pass from Me: NEVERTHELESS, NOT AS I WILL, BUT AS THOU WILL" (Matt. 26:36-39).

Did Jesus pray as earnestly as it is possible to pray that God would "let this cup pass?" YES, He did.
Did God grant Jesus His desire to "let this cup pass?" NO, He didn’t.

But, did Jesus get His prayer answered? YES, He surely did. How so? Because Jesus’ greater desire was that His Father’s will be done, rather than "let this cup pass."

Everything happens according to the will of God. And we have to pray to God in that manner " as thou will".
"not as I will, but as THOU will,"

Whether you always get what you desire or you don’t get what you desire, if your greatest desire of all desires is for "THY WILL be done,"

if it was God’s intention for you to be blessed by some particular favor, and God inspires you to pray for that favor, then it will surely be given to you. If on the other hand, if it was not God’s intention for you to be blessed by some particular favor, then no amount of praying will cause God to grant it to you. Either way, God’s will must be done, and if that is the greatest desire of your prayer for God’s will to be done in your life, then whether you receive some particular favor or you don’t receive it, nonetheless, YOUR PRAYER WILL BE ANSWERED.


So what should we pray for? To thank God for all that he is providing us.

"Be rejoicing in the Lord always! Again, I will declare, be rejoicing! Let your lenience be known to all men: The Lord is near. DO NOT WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING, but in everything, by prayer and petition, WITH THANKSGIVING, let your requests be made known to God, and the peace of God, that is superior to every frame of mind, shall be garrisoning your hearts and your apprehensions in Christ Jesus.
- Phil 4:9

God bless u
 

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The Messiah Yahshua teaches us:

Matthew 6

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.11Give us this day our daily bread.12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
 

p_rehbein

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QUOTE:

No one can change God's mind through prayer. If that was possible God would have changed his mind and would have listened to Jesus Christ in the garden of Getsamane.

END QUOTE.......

What about all the times God was set to destroy all of Israel and someone prayed/begged Him not too, and He changed His mind because of their prayer?
 

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to become a Christian, one has to repent, be baptized with water in the name of Jesus Christ and be filled with the Holy Ghost correct??
Act 2:38 , John 3:23, Acts 11:16 (KJV)
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]17 [/SUP]For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God....[SUP]21 [/SUP]For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Romans 3:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: [SUP]25 [/SUP]Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; [SUP]26 [/SUP]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

John 3:[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 John 5:[SUP]13 [/SUP]These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: [SUP]15 [/SUP]And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

I submit that the verses that requires repent & believe for salvation means repent from unbelief by believing to be saved. Otherwise, the gospel message would not be simple when one has to list all the sins for potential believers to repent from before they can come to & believe in Jesus Christ to be saved. So repent & believe has to mean repent from unbelief by believing in Jesus Christ, even in His name. It is the duty of His disciples by His grace & by His help to teach new believers in the knowledge of Him by abiding in His words in living their reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ as His disciples.
 

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John had a way of talking in riddles but this is the only verse the comes to mind.

1 John 5:16
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

People have a way of assuming that he's talking about blasphemy against the Spirit, and they come up with all sorts of doctrine but to be honest I have no idea what the guy was rambling on about at this point and I'm not comfortable with any one given answer.
I believe by His grace & by His help, John was referring to believers not to pray for the death of a brother that sin a sin that leads unto death.
 

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what does the bible say about praying? Does the bible say anything about when one NOT to pray for others? If so please list the book chapter and verse. Thank you.
I see most responses have covered almost every aspect of rightful praying.

I believe there is a right way to pray & the wrong way to pray that is based on the content of the prayer. Note verse 3 below.

James 4:1From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? [SUP]2 [/SUP]Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? [SUP]6 [/SUP]But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
 
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W we can ask our Saints departed in Christ for intercession for us in front of Lord Jesus Christ.Multitude miracles were happened by intercessions of our lovely Saints,when we ask them for help.
The Bible plainly states that we are to pray through Christ only. He is our mediator. No where is it mentioned that we are to pray through anyone else.
 
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Sanashankar

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QUOTE:

No one can change God's mind through prayer. If that was possible God would have changed his mind and would have listened to Jesus Christ in the garden of Getsamane.

END QUOTE.......

What about all the times God was set to destroy all of Israel and someone prayed/begged Him not too, and He changed His mind because of their prayer?
If we take Gen. 5:6--"And it repented the Lord that He had made man...." and then read I Sam. 15:29--"And also the Strength
{the LORD] of Israel will not lie nor repent, for He is not a man that He should repent,"
we could easily conclude that this is
a contradiction of Scriptures. It is not. Does God ever "repent?" Yes, of course He does, the Bible says He does, but we
need to understand the different meanings of the word and the context in which it is used. By the way, you use the word "regret"
as what God felt, but regret is not a definition of "repent" or "grieved."

My American Heritage Dictionary has this as one of the definitions of "repent"--To make a change for the better as a result
of remorse or contrition FOR ONE'S SINS. Can we apply this definition of repent to God? Does God SIN?

What is another definition of repent as it is used in the Hebrew Scriptures: Dr. Strong--"repent, #5152, to sigh, to breathe
strongly , by implication to feel sorry, that is (in a favorable way) TO PITY...." Now then, does this definition fit the feeling that
God had when He saw the incredible evil and corruption of mankind? Yes it does. We might ask, what kind of a God would
He be if He did NOT feel "pity" for what He determined was His next course of action, namely to wipe them out with a flood.

And as for I Sam. 15:29 which states that God is not a man that He should repent, the context here is that God is not fickle.
He is not like men who constantly change their mind and are often driven by the winds of human philosophy. The same principle
applies with the statement where God says, "I am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT" (Malachi 3:6).

Regarding God "tempting" Abraham, the word in Hebrew is nasah, and its first definition is "to test." Look what happens if we
go to our Dictionaries to find the definition of this word: "To try to get someone to do something wrong." Or "To be attractive
or inviting." Would anyone in their right mind think that killing ones own son would be something that is "attractive or inviting?"
We need to be very careful in trying to use a modern definition or usage of a word that is completely foreign to the situation
of four thousand years ago. Abraham was being "tested," not "tempted." And likewise, the first definition of the Greek word
translated "tempt" in James 1:13, is "to TEST."

(Taken from bbiletruths.com)
 
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what does the bible say about praying? Does the bible say anything about when one NOT to pray for others? If so please list the book chapter and verse. Thank you.
Prayer is like a request or a plead to God.

Job 42:8So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has.”
 
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can praising be prayer, i think its better thanking, than asking, God already knows what we need. Lets turn our prayer to praise. Jesus taught us how to pray and what to pray for.
 

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can praising be prayer, i think its better thanking, than asking, God already knows what we need. Lets turn our prayer to praise. Jesus taught us how to pray and what to pray for.
The purpose of prayer is this:

John 14:[SUP]13 [/SUP]And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

God the Father is glorified when His Son answers our prayers as we should give thanks & praises.

The route of prayer is this:

John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. [SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Any believer that thinks they can pray to the Holy Spirit also are breaking the commandment of His invitation in how the Father wants to come to Him and that is by way of the Son only. The Son of God, Jesus is the only way to God the Father.

Proverbs 28:[SUP]9 [/SUP]He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber....[SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. [SUP]6 [/SUP]This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

That's Jesus's way of saying that tongues without interpretation is not of Him and God would never use the gift of tongues which is of other men's lips to speak unto the people to serve as a prayer language as if the "Spirit" is the door to communicating with God.

It is discerning to point to point out that those that speak in tongues that comes with no interpretation did not test the spirits when it initially happen ( and it was out of the blue: not from hearing the gospel message: but as for Acts 2 : Jesus told His disciples to wait for the promise of the permanent indwelling Holy Spirit at Pentecost: afterwards a believer is born again whenever anyone comes to & believe in Jesus Christ since that day ) as these seducing spirits lead other believers to chase after them for a sign, they do so by route of prayer directed towards the Person of the Holy Spirit: thus they climbed up another way around the Son and got a stranger's voice: a supernatural tongue that comes with no interpretation as found in the occults.

That is why Jesus said to strive ye to enter thru the straight gate because the Son of God, the Bridegroom, really is the only way we can live that reconciled relationship with God the Father thru Jesus Christ.
 

p_rehbein

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can praising be prayer, i think its better thanking, than asking, God already knows what we need. Lets turn our prayer to praise. Jesus taught us how to pray and what to pray for.
There are certainly prayers of praise. Psalm is full of them is it not?
 

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perhaps I am not understanding or I used the wrongs words when asking my question. I will try again.
When is praying for an individual(s) forbidden? Why is it forbidden to pray for someone?
i suppose its the 1 john 5 verse He might have been referring to. So its something to pray to GOD to and give you clarity on that one, but the scriptures do say of casting out a member so he may be ashamed, or sending someone to satan so his flesh should be punished in order that his soul be saved.

Yet it is rare that GOD would give up on someone, looking at this very generation and how bad it is, is a good example.