What does the Bible say about the Holy Spirit Being the Third Person of the Trinity?

[Pilgrimshope]

i have issue when the Bible translation one uses does not match up to the Creed one professes.

Anderson professes many Creeds but his Bible does not even match his Creeds!

what do you find so different about Bible translations ? I’m just curious

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭NLT‬‬

“Then he said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭CSB‬‬


“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭ASV‬‬

“And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭BSB‬‬

“He said to them, “Go into the whole world and proclaim the good news to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever doesn’t believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16 CEB

“Then he told them: Go and preach the good news to everyone in the world. Anyone who believes me and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe me will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭CEV‬‬

Even a child’s Bible says the same thing

“Jesus said to the followers, “Go everywhere in the world. Tell the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But he who does not believe will be judged guilty.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭ICB‬‬

the more you can say the same things in different words communicating the same message in different languages and with different levels of education and vernacular knowledge the more people you can reach with the message

if I say to you

hi , hello , even if I say “ howdie “ or even “howdieth “ 🙂 its communicating the same thing to the person who can understand the at vernacular

truthfully people have many Varying levels of capacity of understanding vernacular the kjv isn’t the best version for everyone , the niv not the best for everyone , Hebrew Bible not the best for everyone and a child’s Bible is t best for everyone

the idea is a child’s Bible is meant to speak the message in words tbe chikd can grasp and understand

each version of it’s not an intentional deception , or translated by people I don’t know what they are doing , it’s going to be just fine if the reader can understand what’s being said in the chapters and explanations the Bible offers the message he it speaks through most any version is what matters

everyone should chi lose a version they can understand it’s part of reaching everyone with the gospel everyone doesn’t understand Ten antiquated English of kjv , everyone doesn’t understand the ancient Hebrew or Aramaic or even the Greek but no one needs to we need to learn and believe the message in any translation of the Bible

in ancient times they needed to hear gods word in Ten over language and vernacular now people need the same to hear the message in tbier own language nd in words they can understand and grasp

certain things just don’t edify like arguing about which translation is the “ real one “ ot just takes away from edification of what’s in everyones Bible

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

what do you find so different about Bible translations ? I’m just curious

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭NLT‬‬

“Then he said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭CSB‬‬


“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭ASV‬‬

“And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭BSB‬‬

“He said to them, “Go into the whole world and proclaim the good news to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever doesn’t believe will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16 CEB

“Then he told them: Go and preach the good news to everyone in the world. Anyone who believes me and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe me will be condemned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭CEV‬‬

Even a child’s Bible says the same thing

“Jesus said to the followers, “Go everywhere in the world. Tell the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But he who does not believe will be judged guilty.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭ICB‬‬

the more you can say the same things in different words communicating the same message in different languages and with different levels of education and vernacular knowledge the more people you can reach with the message

if I say to you

hi , hello , even if I say “ howdie “ or even “howdieth “ 🙂 its communicating the same thing to the person who can understand the at vernacular

truthfully people have many Varying levels of capacity of understanding vernacular the kjv isn’t the best version for everyone , the niv not the best for everyone , Hebrew Bible not the best for everyone and a child’s Bible is t best for everyone

the idea is a child’s Bible is meant to speak the message in words tbe chikd can grasp and understand

each version of it’s not an intentional deception , or translated by people I don’t know what they are doing , it’s going to be just fine if the reader can understand what’s being said in the chapters and explanations the Bible offers the message he it speaks through most any version is what matters

everyone should chi lose a version they can understand it’s part of reaching everyone with the gospel everyone doesn’t understand Ten antiquated English of kjv , everyone doesn’t understand the ancient Hebrew or Aramaic or even the Greek but no one needs to we need to learn and believe the message in any translation of the Bible

in ancient times they needed to hear gods word in Ten over language and vernacular now people need the same to hear the message in tbier own language nd in words they can understand and grasp

certain things just don’t edify like arguing about which translation is the “ real one “ ot just takes away from edification of what’s in everyones Bible

anything related to the 1516 Textus Receptus, which is KJV and Modern Versions, there's a difference between 251 Verses changed and over 1,000 words added when compared to the most authentic and original 3rd Century Greek Texts. the Bible from 3rd Century to 16th Century did not magically grow, but rather, the English Language Translation became entangled with the interpretation.

prime example:

3rd Century Greek Text:
1 John 5:7-8

7 For they that testify are three,

8 the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are one.


now, compare that to the Textus Receptus that came onto the scene 1,100 years LATER
1 John 5:7-8

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


within 1,100 years, these 2 Verses changed in meaning and grew TWENTY-FIVE WORDS.

Impossible!


[[((i am not using these 2 specific Verses to make any sort of claim on how we should View God))]], i am saying this is ONE EXAMPLE of 251 Verses that have been changed or added to when comparing the Ancient Greek Texts to the more Modern Version of Latin/English "textus Receptus!"

 

[Pilgrimshope]

anything related to the 1516 Textus Receptus, which is KJV and Modern Versions, there's a difference between 251 Verses changed and over 1,000 words added when compared to the most authentic and original 3rd Century Greek Texts. the Bible from 3rd Century to 16th Century did not magically grow, but rather, the English Language Translation became entangled with the interpretation.

prime example:

3rd Century Greek Text:
1 John 5:7-8

7 For they that testify are three,

8 the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are one.


now, compare that to the Textus Receptus that came onto the scene 1,100 years LATER
1 John 5:7-8

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


within 1,100 years, these 2 Verses changed in meaning and grew TWENTY-FIVE WORDS.

Impossible!


[[((i am not using these 2 specific Verses to make any sort of claim on how we should View God))]], i am saying this is ONE EXAMPLE of 251 Verses that have been changed or added to when comparing the Ancient Greek Texts to the more Modern Version of Latin/English "textus Receptus!"

yeah the thing is no one needs to concern themselves with all that because it Carrie’s and speaks the same message.

I don’t think your hearing my point

if you read the Bible let’s say kjv not just read a verse but read and study the Bible , your going to come to the same understanding of God d if you study a niv in the same way it’s just a preference.

to your point many people think the Bible they read and have chosen is the correct version and they always talk about ancient Hebrew and Ancient Greek to support thier argument

that’s never been anything Gods word said to worry about , we’ve never been told we need to learn other nations languages in order to hear the gospel God has made it abundantly available in words anyone can grasp in several versions of what he said saying the same things , in different words . Because that’s what people do we speak differently but yet can say the same things a

What I’m saying is even though some of the words are different the message he is exactly the same if we take in sections of what’s being said

it’s not a trick that we might read the wrong translation of the Bible and be lost that’s going to get people

it is hearing what’s in the Bible and rejecting it that gets people to hear it some need a more modern and contemporary translation I think honestly several translations are necassary for more people to hear and believe the message of salvstion through Jesus Christ

I’ve never really worried about what translation because In discussion and study they all come to the same conclusions same lord and savior same God and kingdom

when I was young I preferred niv as I got older I found a love for the kjv but I e studied both diligently and the same message breathes out of either instill today study both and yes they are written in different words d different vernaculars but the message is identical

 

[Wansvic]

yes that’s exactly where it’s coming from

not the strength of Paul’s statement here the “absolute fact “ he begins stating in confidence “ without any valid debate or argument “ he says

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifest in the flesh,

justified in the Spirit,

seen of angels,

preached unto the Gentiles,

believed on in the world,

received up into glory.”


I believe the new testsment scripture is the revelation and correct answers and thinking about God I don’t think we need to figure each verse out and then interpret its meaning but need to let each chapter say what it says until a clear message forms an understanding in our thinking

When the apostles says something like this “ God was manifest in the flesh , justified in the spirit , preached to gentiles , believed on in the world received up to glory “

every aspect of what he’s saying is a repeated theme of prophecy foretelling of Jesus and the gospel

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this son to be born Emmanuel , would be God manifest in the flesh walking among us it was fulfilled when Jesus was born

“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭

This is telling them in the ot God woild
Be manifest in the flesh one day

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, ( Holy Ghost) The mighty God, The everlasting Father,( father ) The Prince of Peace. ( son )

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He would be manifest in The flesh to reveal his glory to the world and shepherd his people

“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness,( johns ministry ) Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. ( Jesus )

Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. ( and the word became flesh )

….The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:3-5, 8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’ll stop with those couple , what I mean to say is the things the apostles are saying thier great informative letters are explaining what God always said would happen he would come to save us because no man was worthy to intercede and save us

In the ot after man corrupted earth God began to watch us and eventually

“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this doesn’t make him destroy us but instead he wanted someone to intercede for us but there was no one worthy so …..

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:

therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.

…. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-18, 20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s him who created the heavens and earth , him who seperates the sea and delivered israel , him who came and was born in the flesh the son of man , and raised from dead glorified in the spirit as the son of God

“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

His glorification in spirit means this for us the sons spirit who walked among us returns to us and lives within us just as he promised

“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:30, 32-33‬ ‭

At pentocost they receive the promises Jesus made them of this in the gospel before he died he had to live and die and walk with the fathers spirit and be glorified in heaven with him so we could be born of a new spirit We are the children he the father came to save us by bekng born the son nd overcoming the flesh and thy is world and being glorified in the spirit as we can now be

Consider as well the telling scripture in the book of Revelation. (the revealing of Jesus Christ) "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." Rev. 22:16

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

NO, it is not Biblical!

the 380 AD Greek Text, which is MORE AUTHENTIC than the 1,100 years later Textus Receptus shows us the correct Version of Hebrews 1:3 who, being the effulgence of his glory and the exact image of his essence.

essence [[IS NOT]] Person, nor ever will be!

the Nicene Creed even uses [[((ESSENCE))]] because they used the the Most Authentic Version of the Bible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father].


Steven Anderson is a HERETIC and will one day fulfill Verses found in Matthew 7:
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?

23 And then will I confess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

The Watchtower Society of the Jehovah's False Witnesses will agree with you 100%>!

😂

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The Watchtower Society of the Jehovah's False Witnesses will agree with you 100%>!

😂

actually, the speaking formats on youtube who are Baptist destroy Steven Anderson's character more than anyone else.

i doubt the watchtower cult has a clue there's a difference between 3rd Century Greek Text and 1516 Textus Receptus. even Steven Anderson had no clue until the best author about the Greek Texts schooled him, which is funny because that scene is in the Trailer of the Movie but never made it to the Movie itself. Anderson is a buffoon and gives more ammunition to Evolution Science than Believers and the Holy Word of God!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

yeah the thing is no one needs to concern themselves with all that because it Carrie’s and speaks the same message.

I don’t think your hearing my point

if you read the Bible let’s say kjv not just read a verse but read and study the Bible , your going to come to the same understanding of God d if you study a niv in the same way it’s just a preference.

to your point many people think the Bible they read and have chosen is the correct version and they always talk about ancient Hebrew and Ancient Greek to support thier argument

that’s never been anything Gods word said to worry about , we’ve never been told we need to learn other nations languages in order to hear the gospel God has made it abundantly available in words anyone can grasp in several versions of what he said saying the same things , in different words . Because that’s what people do we speak differently but yet can say the same things a

What I’m saying is even though some of the words are different the message he is exactly the same if we take in sections of what’s being said

it’s not a trick that we might read the wrong translation of the Bible and be lost that’s going to get people

it is hearing what’s in the Bible and rejecting it that gets people to hear it some need a more modern and contemporary translation I think honestly several translations are necassary for more people to hear and believe the message of salvstion through Jesus Christ

I’ve never really worried about what translation because In discussion and study they all come to the same conclusions same lord and savior same God and kingdom

when I was young I preferred niv as I got older I found a love for the kjv but I e studied both diligently and the same message breathes out of either instill today study both and yes they are written in different words d different vernaculars but the message is identical

there's a big difference when a Text is translated from Greek to Latin to English VERSUS Greek to English!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Consider as well the telling scripture in the book of Revelation. (the revealing of Jesus Christ) "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." Rev. 22:16

amen brother revelation is an awesome book so full of understanding of the rest of the Bible it really is a book filled with revelation ll pertaining to Jesus and his kingdom

Take what you quoted there and consider the gospel

“The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see Gods promises travelled through the line of Seth until the gospel came forth but what I mean is a gods chosen was always someone of that line pertaining to the messiah line so
The promise of Abraham’s son

“and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:18‬ ‭
And to Isaac abrahams son,

“and I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭26:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And to isaacs seed Jacob he sees a dream and sees Jesus standing in heaven and a golden ladder reaching from heaven to earth

“And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac:

( and then he is told the same promise )

…..and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭28:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then Moses takes over when israel is invited to Egypt in the famine ending genesis Moses is who fulfills there other promise of the land and the law and the single nation made great but then rebels and falls in genesis 15
but the covenant to Abraham Isaac and Jacob regarding the seed who would bless all the earth this covenant Comes to David jacobs descendant , and we start hearing of the kingdom of David and his eternal son who would sit on the throne forever and rule all the earth in peace and justice

even The early prophets and the latter prophets were foretelling of the kingdom and coming new covenant of salvstion from the curse but my point , is the promised son who would overcome the devil began even at eve and the first transgression

Gods promises and covenants travelled through The line of Seth which is really where israel Began the Bible follows his line to Jesus

from Seth , to Noah , to Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ( israel ) to David ….all of them were promised a seed that’s going to bless the earth and that blessing Is the gospel of Jesus Christ this son of promise sent into all the earth

In the Bibles old testsment a reference to Jesus or whole chapters about him can be found abundantly and throughout some are obvious others obscure but the old is about Jesus and creating us and the world the new about him coming and offering us salvstion from our own sins and returning to his throne having provided us with a new and clean and forgiven and restored and right spirit the spirit of Jesus the son of God which makes us children and hiers of the kingdom of our father

“but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:4-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

First jesus came and died and rose and then his spirit was sent back to the church in the earth after he was glorified

“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus came to create a new people his eternal chosen children who have his spirit leading and guiding us though life so our spirit is redeemed to its rightful state in Gods presence without sin and shame forever

he’s been saying it would happen since eve and the first transgression .

to the serpent god said “ her seed will crush thy head and you will strike his heel “

already there is going to be a son born who’s going to crush Satan but Satan would also wound him but not overcome him. Jesus was wounded in the flesh but overcame by the spirit. And made a spectacle of satans dominion. On earth crushing his chance to win his war against Gods beloved and holding victory

Jesus is the fulfillment of the promises of “ eves seed “ Abraham’s seed “ isaacs seed , jacobs seed , David’s seed and also the son of God who was promised to all mankind would come and whoever believes would be saved

his promises passed through generations of Abraham’s line even before that Seth’s line to Abraham through David and then finally it came to pass the son was born Emmanuel God in the flesh with us

 

[Pilgrimshope]

there's a big difference when a Text is translated from Greek to Latin to English VERSUS Greek to English!

yeah they all translate from the original texts is the thing into a different version of English it’s not that they are taking the kjv and translating it into modern English , they look at the texts the oldest and most reliable that exist and they then translate that to thier bibke version


but I’m not really interested in debating translations I was just telling you I don’t think it matters. That doesn’t mean your wrong to believe what you do or it’s not any kind of offense or anythkng intended I think it’s a waste of time to worry too
Much about the Greek and Hebrew , honestly brother people who do that all come to different conclusions and ideas anyways of what it means and should say

for me anyways through studying Hebrew and Greek I found it a waste just for me I mean not anyone else , because I always concluded after hard study it says what my Bible says in English.

I started just studying the Bible I could understand like I wanted to know what it said and forgot about worrying about how it was translated or anything because everyone always has those own theories of why it’s corrupt but I’ve studied pretty thoroughly niv and kjv and like I said I find an identical understanding in both

Just my opinion though I’m no pro or authority or scholar or teacher or anything just my opinion as a fellow student of the Bible in pursuit of Christ in love brother

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

actually, the speaking formats on youtube who are Baptist destroy Steven Anderson's character more than anyone else.

i doubt the watchtower cult has a clue there's a difference between 3rd Century Greek Text and 1516 Textus Receptus. even Steven Anderson had no clue until the best author about the Greek Texts schooled him, which is funny because that scene is in the Trailer of the Movie but never made it to the Movie itself. Anderson is a buffoon and gives more ammunition to Evolution Science than Believers and the Holy Word of God!

There were over a hundred HOURS of footage.
THAT is why that lame section was edited.
Even that section you refer to was edited and spun by James White fans.

James white was the one schooled.
He makes himself look dumb to those who haven't even looked at a Greek alphabet! 😄

James White gets schooled by Pastor Anderson big time! 📖😄👍

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/15false/Doctor_James_White_Gets_Schooled.mp4

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

There were over a hundred HOURS of footage.
THAT is why that lame section was edited.
Even that section you refer to was edited and spun by James White fans.

James white was the one schooled.
He makes himself look dumb to those who haven't even looked at a Greek alphabet! 😄

James White gets schooled by Pastor Anderson big time! 📖😄👍

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/15false/Doctor_James_White_Gets_Schooled.mp4

i've watched enough footage to know Anderson [[((only shows))]] things he thinks he is winning at. the fact he does not show it in the Movie speaks volumes of the butt kicking he took

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

yeah they all translate from the original texts is the thing into a different version of English it’s not that they are taking the kjv and translating it into modern English , they look at the texts the oldest and most reliable that exist and they then translate that to thier bibke version


but I’m not really interested in debating translations I was just telling you I don’t think it matters. That doesn’t mean your wrong to believe what you do or it’s not any kind of offense or anythkng intended I think it’s a waste of time to worry too
Much about the Greek and Hebrew , honestly brother people who do that all come to different conclusions and ideas anyways of what it means and should say

for me anyways through studying Hebrew and Greek I found it a waste just for me I mean not anyone else , because I always concluded after hard study it says what my Bible says in English.

I started just studying the Bible I could understand like I wanted to know what it said and forgot about worrying about how it was translated or anything because everyone always has those own theories of why it’s corrupt but I’ve studied pretty thoroughly niv and kjv and like I said I find an identical understanding in both

Just my opinion though I’m no pro or authority or scholar or teacher or anything just my opinion as a fellow student of the Bible in pursuit of Christ in love brother

you have to read what you feel confident and understand.

i just know it's impossible that from 3rd Century Greek till 16th Century Latin/English to [[((gain 251 Verses and over 1,000 + words))]].

for me, that is going against the command by ADDING to the original Holy Word of God!

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

i've watched enough footage to know Anderson [[((only shows))]] things he thinks he is winning at. the fact he does not show it in the Movie speaks volumes of the butt kicking he took

If you want to agree with heretic James White, be my guest.

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/15false/Doctor_James_White_Is_A_Moron.mp4


Watchtower Society of Jehovah's false Witnesses......✓

James White.......✓

 

[TheLearner]

Are you not 3 in one? Are you 3 different persons?

I am not God, human rules do not apply.

Math wise, 1x1x1=1 and 3to the zero power = 1

 

[TheLearner]

“but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

have you noticed how many different names you find in the ot for God ? But never once do you hear Jesus name ?
But when he comes into thee world throughout the gospel forward and New Testament you find only the name Jesus deified or mentioned for salvation or baptism ? “ the name of the father son and holy ghost is Jesus throughout the New Testament

“…and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you…..
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭3:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his name.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

even things like this tell us that Jacob didn’t know his name but wanted to but knew him as the title of God remembering Jacob literally is israel

“And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.

And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name?

And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭32:24-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then again

“And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padan-aram, and blessed him. And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭35:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬



Just a few examples I’m sure your aware there are several examples of many names for God in ot , but then he starts in latter prophets saying that he’s going to come and make known his name to all nations beginning in Israel

“Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

…The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭52:6

when Jesus came one thing he accomplished was to make known Gods name

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s odd we sometimes say “ trinity “ but then when the trinities name is revealed to mankind so we can believe in his name , it’s hard for us to hear it

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of

the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭

“ baptize then in the name of the Godhead “

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’a one name with three titles one on earth son , one in heaven father , and one in our hearts spirit

“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭

if “I am “, or “ Elohim “ or the Gkd of Abraham Isaac and Jacob “ or “jehovah” or any other name given among men for God was his name the New Testament doesn’t make any sense .in the ot he was foretelling tireless and things Christ would fulfill “ his name is the lord “ jesus “ the holy one of Israel “ jesus “ the “everlasting father” , jesus the son to be born in Israel Immanuel God among us “ jesus

the creator and God almighty , jesus the name wasn’t given j til the veil was removed and the gospel came we have to let this understanding of Gods name and person Go

“but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:14-15‬ ‭

it’s why we often argue about his name some are looking into the veil seeing the many references to him like jehovah the provider , an aspect of Jesus who provides for us and then we’re becoming like israel and being blinded to the gospel and it’s revelation of our God and lord Jesus Christ

“in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭

The is is Jesus brother it’s just hidden

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

until the revelation of the gospel came

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth. …No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-3, 14, 18‬ ‭

they were blind and never knew Jesus even as he was among them no one ever knew his name until it was revealed in the gospel

Jesus is the true God on one being revealed To us in our own form so we can know and believe him he is the one who was speaking those things in the ot and the one who came forth fulfilling them in the new Jesus is Gods name forever and offers everlasting life

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You already pointed that text out, it is a time only Jesus is linked to salvation.

G_d bless

 

[TheLearner]

another Monkey Wrench i have always wondered about when you read the Hebrew Translation is the term capital letters LORD = YHWH = MOST HIGH GOD = or when you add ELOHIM = GOD MOST HIGH

so to the Ancient Hebrews LORD and ELOHIM = MOST HIGH GOD or GOD MOST HIGH!

why is this important?

2 Verses:


1. 2nd Chronicles 18:18
יח וַיֹּאמֶר, לָכֵן שִׁמְעוּ דְבַר-יְהוָה: רָאִיתִי אֶת-יְהוָה, יוֹשֵׁב עַל-כִּסְאוֹ, וְכָל-צְבָא הַשָּׁמַיִם עֹמְדִים, עַל-יְמִינוֹ וּשְׂמֹאלוֹ.18
And he said: 'Therefore hear ye the word of the LORD: I saw ELOHIM sitting upon His throne, and all the host of heaven standing on His right hand and on His left.

and God wanted it repeated so we find it also in

2. 1st Kings 22:19
יט וַיֹּאמֶר, לָכֵן שְׁמַע דְּבַר-יְהוָה; רָאִיתִי אֶת-יְהוָה, יֹשֵׁב עַל-כִּסְאוֹ, וְכָל-צְבָא הַשָּׁמַיִם עֹמֵד עָלָיו, מִימִינוֹ וּמִשְּׂמֹאלוֹ.19
And he said: 'Therefore hear thou the word of the LORD. I saw ELOHIM sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by Him on His right hand and on his left.


interesting, it shows ONE PERSON ELOHIM surrounded by the entire Host of Heaven.

according to these Verses, NO ONE is Absent!

but this also leaves the question. where's the Triune Persons of Elohim if this is ALL of HEAVEN PRESENT?

One being is the correct way to say that.

Did I post Bowman's outline of the Trinity?

I forgot to ask friend, brother what church you belong to on earth, the physical building I mean.

 

[TheLearner]

NO, it is not Biblical!

the 380 AD Greek Text, which is MORE AUTHENTIC than the 1,100 years later Textus Receptus shows us the correct Version of Hebrews 1:3 who, being the effulgence of his glory and the exact image of his essence.

essence [[IS NOT]] Person, nor ever will be!

the Nicene Creed even uses [[((ESSENCE))]] because they used the the Most Authentic Version of the Bible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father].


Steven Anderson is a HERETIC and will one day fulfill Verses found in Matthew 7:
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?

23 And then will I confess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

What We Believe
"Our profession of faith begins with God, for God is the First and the Last, the beginning and the end of everything. The Credo begins with God the Father, for the Father is the first divine person of the Most Holy Trinity; our Creed begins with the creation of heaven and earth, for creation is the beginning and the foundation of all God's works."

---the Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 198

Catholic belief is succinctly expressed in the profession of faith or credo called the Nicene Creed:

The Nicene Creed
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
https://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe

Revelation 1:8
King James Version
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Jesus is the one to come, not the Father, thus Jesus is also the Almighty.

 

[TheLearner]

https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf

 

[DavidTree]

yes that’s exactly where it’s coming from

not the strength of Paul’s statement here the “absolute fact “ he begins stating in confidence “ without any valid debate or argument “ he says

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifest in the flesh,

justified in the Spirit,

seen of angels,

preached unto the Gentiles,

believed on in the world,

received up into glory.”


I believe the new testsment scripture is the revelation and correct answers and thinking about God I don’t think we need to figure each verse out and then interpret its meaning but need to let each chapter say what it says until a clear message forms an understanding in our thinking

When the apostles says something like this “ God was manifest in the flesh , justified in the spirit , preached to gentiles , believed on in the world received up to glory “

every aspect of what he’s saying is a repeated theme of prophecy foretelling of Jesus and the gospel

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this son to be born Emmanuel , would be God manifest in the flesh walking among us it was fulfilled when Jesus was born

“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭

This is telling them in the ot God woild
Be manifest in the flesh one day

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, ( Holy Ghost) The mighty God, The everlasting Father,( father ) The Prince of Peace. ( son )

Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He would be manifest in The flesh to reveal his glory to the world and shepherd his people

“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness,( johns ministry ) Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. ( Jesus )

Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. ( and the word became flesh )

….The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:3-5, 8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’ll stop with those couple , what I mean to say is the things the apostles are saying thier great informative letters are explaining what God always said would happen he would come to save us because no man was worthy to intercede and save us

In the ot after man corrupted earth God began to watch us and eventually

“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this doesn’t make him destroy us but instead he wanted someone to intercede for us but there was no one worthy so …..

“Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor:

therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.

…. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭59:15-18, 20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s him who created the heavens and earth , him who seperates the sea and delivered israel , him who came and was born in the flesh the son of man , and raised from dead glorified in the spirit as the son of God

“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

His glorification in spirit means this for us the sons spirit who walked among us returns to us and lives within us just as he promised

“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:30, 32-33‬ ‭

At pentocost they receive the promises Jesus made them of this in the gospel before he died he had to live and die and walk with the fathers spirit and be glorified in heaven with him so we could be born of a new spirit We are the children he the father came to save us by bekng born the son nd overcoming the flesh and thy is world and being glorified in the spirit as we can now be

THREE PERSONS of the Godhead is right in front of you on your own posts.
If you cannot SEE it is by choice and not by faith/trust.

“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:30, 32-33‬ ‭

THREE Distinct Individuals of the Godhead = Elohim Father Elohim Son Elohim Holy Spirit

 

[TheLearner]

anything related to the 1516 Textus Receptus, which is KJV and Modern Versions, there's a difference between 251 Verses changed and over 1,000 words added when compared to the most authentic and original 3rd Century Greek Texts. the Bible from 3rd Century to 16th Century did not magically grow, but rather, the English Language Translation became entangled with the interpretation.

prime example:

3rd Century Greek Text:
1 John 5:7-8

7 For they that testify are three,

8 the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are one.


now, compare that to the Textus Receptus that came onto the scene 1,100 years LATER
1 John 5:7-8

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


within 1,100 years, these 2 Verses changed in meaning and grew TWENTY-FIVE WORDS.

Impossible!


[[((i am not using these 2 specific Verses to make any sort of claim on how we should View God))]], i am saying this is ONE EXAMPLE of 251 Verses that have been changed or added to when comparing the Ancient Greek Texts to the more Modern Version of Latin/English "textus Receptus!"

Please document from primary sources "within 1,100 years, these 2 Verses changed in meaning and grew TWENTY-FIVE WORDS. "