What Events do Those Who Believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

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Artios1 said:
Either you are not reading what I stated, or you are twisting it to make your own point.

In simple terms: If there is a mixed group of people consisting of military personal and those who are not military.

A call to service is broadcast for all military personal to report to duty immediately ….and all military leave for their respective divisions ….. do you refer to those who are left…. as military?

Whether you adhere to the rapture or not …my point is …. Once Christ returns for the Church of God (body of Christ) all born again people are gone …by definition a born-again person (Christ-in) = Christian…. Who’s left?.



This is interesting.

In Christ ….. In Christ Jesus ….. In Jesus Christ ….. In Jesus ….. In Him ….. In the Lord Jesus .….. and a few other variations which are used in reference to “US” …. the born-again Christian….. members of the Body of Christ, the one new man…. and are used over 170 X throughout the epistles and Acts.

You will not find any of those lexica in the Gospels…. and to no surprise …. neither will you find them in Revelation …..they are totally proprietary to the believers of the administration of Grace. ….There will technically be no “Christians” (per se) in the tribulation times of the Lords day/Day of the Lord.

The term Christian which derived from the above recognitions (in Christ, In Jesus … etc) will not be applicable to the gentiles and Jews which will be the two categories of people in Revelation…..just as it was in the Old Testament and gospels prior to Pentecost.

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We are currently in the dispensation of Grace as defined by God, which houses the mystery of the one body AKA ...Christians

How much grace is there in Revelation ???

It is used twice …. once in the opening salutation Rev 1:4 and once in the closing verse Rev 22:21.

Compare that to the 72 times grace is referred to in the seven Church epistles of Romans through Thessalonians…..plus 10x in Acts ….. and 34x in Timothy through Jude … all of which pertain to the administration of grace…… that comes to 116 X

But all things being equal…. I would deduct the 27x from all of the epistles where grace is used as an opening and closing salutation. That would leave us with 89 total times grace is referred to …. but if we deduct the salutations from Revelation ….there would be ~ zero ~

{For reference…. grace is used 37 x throughout the entire OT …. and 4x in gospels ….}



I’ll add a few more



*Church of God is reference 9 times in Acts and the epistles zero X in Old Testament & Gospels… zero X in Revelation

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*One Body is referenced 14 X in the Church epistles only… zero X in Revelation.

The one body will be gone at the “gathering together” (rapture) ………….In Revelation it will only be Jews and Gentiles.

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*The mystery in the administration of grace is “the one new man” Jews and gentiles being fellow heirs and of the same body ….this mystery is referred in the church epistles 14 times ….

The only mystery that is referred to in Revelation is ……..Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
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Absolute Twaddle!
 
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These events also happen before Jesus returns:

"But watch out for yourselves, for they will deliver you up to councils, and you will be beaten in the synagogues. You will be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony to them. "And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations. "But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.

- Mark 13:9-11
 
shittim

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sat in this teaching years ago, still looks valid, he said he received it from Holy Spirit and had not changed a thing.
 
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I think it might be wise for all to just be ready now. All that is written will happen I hope were wise enough to understand it will never happen they way one group or individual believe.

We are believers in Christ Jesus the Messiah. HAHA when this comes up.. are you not just excepted Christ is coming? Oh what if we just rejoiced our Messiah promised He would come get us.. He is coming! "Its POST TRIBULATION".. ok great Christ is coming! "nope its PRE TRIBULAION".. ok great Christ is coming!
 
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seekingthemindofChrist said:
I notice that you did not even attempt to prove your lie from scripture. Go ahead and try.
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I don't have to prove anything since God is my witness. But you have to prove that you are seeking the mind of Christ. Those who seek the mind of Christ do not make FALSE accusations. You have just shown up here, whereas I have been here a long time and people know exactly where I stand.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
I don't have to prove anything since God is my witness. But you have to prove that you are seeking the mind of Christ. Those who seek the mind of Christ do not make FALSE accusations. You have just shown up here, whereas I have been here a long time and people know exactly where I stand.
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God is not your witness because you are bearing false witness of his word, and I did not falsely accuse you of anything. I called you a liar because you lied.
 
shittim

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don't see any fruit of the Spirit in this, so, thank you satan once more
 
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seekingthemindofChrist said:
God is not your witness because you are bearing false witness of his word, and I did not falsely accuse you of anything. I called you a liar because you lied.
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Don't sweat it. There are a lot of people I don't agree with here, no matter how long they've been here. Time and large font don't make a person right.
 
hornetguy

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I believe that every one of these back and forth, he-said/she-said, "I'm right because I'm led by the Spirit" types of discussions about end times are purely Satanic in origin.
You folks are not only wasting time and energy trashing your brothers and sisters, instead of trying to expand the kingdom, you are also alienating ANY person who is truly seeking Jesus.

It is a waste of time... NOBODY knows the hour or time Jesus is returning. WHO CARES if it's pre-trib, post-trib, no-trib ..... ?????
We are to be ready..... and that does not mean "you better start acting right, because it's getting close" It means "live your life every day as much as you can, like Jesus.... because any moment could be your last"

We know, as believers, how this whole "earth" story ends. That should be enough.
 
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hornetguy said:
I believe that every one of these back and forth, he-said/she-said, "I'm right because I'm led by the Spirit" types of discussions about end times are purely Satanic in origin.
You folks are not only wasting time and energy trashing your brothers and sisters, instead of trying to expand the kingdom, you are also alienating ANY person who is truly seeking Jesus.

It is a waste of time... NOBODY knows the hour or time Jesus is returning. WHO CARES if it's pre-trib, post-trib, no-trib ..... ?????
We are to be ready..... and that does not mean "you better start acting right, because it's getting close" It means "live your life every day as much as you can, like Jesus.... because any moment could be your last"

We know, as believers, how this whole "earth" story ends. That should be enough.
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Only the ones who know they are on the wrong side think these topics are purely Satanic in origin.
 
notmyown

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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Only the ones who know they are on the wrong side think these topics are purely Satanic in origin.
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:unsure: why would anyone take a position they KNOW to be wrong?

also, @hornetguy didn't say any people were "satanic in origin". he was talking about the type of discussion. you made it about people.
 
hornetguy

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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Only the ones who know they are on the wrong side think these topics are purely Satanic in origin.
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What an intelligent response. I think your mommy's calling you for breakfast... it's almost school time, isn't it, Scooter?
 
hornetguy

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ByTheGraceOfGod said:
Only the ones who know they are on the wrong side think these topics are purely Satanic in origin.
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So please enlighten me, Scooter..... just how does this type of I'm right/you're wrong discussion about something that even JESUS doesn't have the answer to, benefit the body of believers?
It's just a chance for self-righteous folks to get online and brag about their "knowledge" and "understanding" and their superior level of "Spirit connection"..... and to totally denigrate those that do not agree with their superior understanding.

I'm all for intellectual discussions about nearly any topic, but these "discussions" are a waste of time and energy.... and Satan loves it, because it's distracting the believers from doing what they should be doing.
 
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hornetguy said:
I believe that every one of these back and forth, he-said/she-said, "I'm right because I'm led by the Spirit" types of discussions about end times are purely Satanic in origin.
You folks are not only wasting time and energy trashing your brothers and sisters, instead of trying to expand the kingdom, you are also alienating ANY person who is truly seeking Jesus.

It is a waste of time... NOBODY knows the hour or time Jesus is returning. WHO CARES if it's pre-trib, post-trib, no-trib ..... ?????
We are to be ready..... and that does not mean "you better start acting right, because it's getting close" It means "live your life every day as much as you can, like Jesus.... because any moment could be your last"

We know, as believers, how this whole "earth" story ends. That should be enough.
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we are commanded to "watch therefore, and wait".

The first rapture is for those who are watching, no watching = no rapture. Nobody should want that or seek that. Commands are to be obeyed, not blown off in favor of a "leaning on ones own understanding" which is what it is.
Blowing off His command is what He spoke of how most would have an outward form, denying the power. Being Holy Spirit filled is required, growing to where He will manifest through us is His intention.
Being conformed to the image of the Son is how this is walked out in obedience
 
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