What Gospel is for us ?

[Hann57]

If you believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is all there is to the Gospel, you my friend have a very unbiblical and limited understanding of it.

Galatians 2:11-14

11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Did they walk not according to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4? Did they stop believing Jesus died for their sins etc? No. The truth of the Gospel talked about here is there is no separation between Jew and Gentile in salvation.

Mark 1:1 the BEGINNING of the Gospel of Jesus the Messiah, the son of God.

The Gospel includes the death burial and resurrection of Jesus yes. But it is important to mention the Gospel of the Kingdom, the kingdom is coming and we are in training for that kingdom, the teachings of Jesus are of utmost importance, not just His death and burial and resurrection.

Ok Explain this.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

They heard the word of truth the gospel and believed, and were saved and sealed.

They walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel. That is exactly what it says.

Believers are to walk honestly so that others may see their light. Peter was a kingdom gospel saint.
He did not have the same gospel as Paul.

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

 

[Isaskar]

Ok Explain this.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

They heard the word of truth the gospel and believed, and were saved and sealed.

They walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel. That is exactly what it says.

Believers are to walk honestly so that others may see their light. Peter was a kingdom gospel saint.
He did not have the same gospel as Paul.

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Peter was preaching an accursed Gospel? You said he had a different Gospel that Paul. Yet Paul says if anyone preaches a different Gospel than he does, let him be accursed?

You cannot slice and dice the New Testament up like this. It is very dangerous. There is but one Gospel, and it includes within it, many things, as before mentioned: spiritual circumcision, message of the kingdom, repentance, faith, baptism(s), the one new man made up of Jew and gentile, the death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ and much much more.

Hebrews 6:1-2
Therefore leaving the teaching of the first principles of Christ, let’s press on to perfection—not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, of faith toward God, of the teaching of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

 

[Blain]

Beautiful. And like the broken record that I am, I'll mention this topic but once again . . . sigh. Do we think that Paul just blindly used the Holy Word circumcision? Are we really supposed to be thinking of the phallus of a man, here? Or, is this the HEART of the matter?

Ephesians 2:11 NLT - "Don't forget that you Gentiles used to be outsiders. You were called "uncircumcised heathens" by the Jews, who were proud of their circumcision, even though it affected only their bodies and not their hearts."

What is it that separated Jew from Gentile? Yes, both physical and Spiritual Circumcision.

When are we going to "get it?" Pastors? Where in the world are you? You have your faces and minds in the Bible more than anyone on the planet and you KNOW that the Bible revolves around Spiritual Circumcision. Why do you refuse to teach the Flock! Why do you intentionally keep the Holy Church in a state of Spiritual Blindness! You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

My friend all you say here is true and people would be wise to take it into consideration. I know you feel like a broken record but never underestimate the power words have. as a writer I know first hand how words can either instruct build and inspire or they can belittle cripple and cause suffering. You never know how greatly the things you say effect the hearts of others it is like a pebble falling into a small pond it causes ripples andd those ripples expand and grow.

 

[Blain]

Ok Explain this.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

They heard the word of truth the gospel and believed, and were saved and sealed.

They walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel. That is exactly what it says.

Believers are to walk honestly so that others may see their light. Peter was a kingdom gospel saint.
He did not have the same gospel as Paul.

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

He may have preached on the kingdom but preaching about something does not make it a gospel, that would be the same thing as you preaching on a certain topic that has to do with learning wisdom and me calling it the gospel of wisdom.
A gospel is not simply a topic that is preached, I speak of his love and intimacy often but while this is something my heart often speaks of I always say I trust in the gospel of Jesus Christ which is that he died and rose again and that all who believe in him will be saved yet love is a major part of being a believer however it is not a gospel it is an attribute of the gospel

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Peter was preaching an accursed Gospel? You said he had a different Gospel that Paul. Yet Paul says if anyone preaches a different Gospel than he does, let him be accursed?

You cannot slice and dice the New Testament up like this. It is very dangerous. There is but one Gospel, and it includes within it, many things, as before mentioned: spiritual circumcision, message of the kingdom, repentance, faith, baptism(s), the one new man made up of Jew and gentile, the death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ and much much more.

Hebrews 6:1-2
Therefore leaving the teaching of the first principles of Christ, let’s press on to perfection—not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, of faith toward God, of the teaching of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Verse three is critical . . . "If the Lord permits."

Hebrews 6:3 NKJV - "And this we will do if God permits."

And what does this mean? Illumination. God must allow us to comprehend and retain. This is what the Veil of Moses is all about. But my friend, I can speak these things until my face displays all of the colors of a rainbow . . . when minds are closed, there is no comprehension. I have been a broken record in this forum regarding these things and I have, for the most part, given up. I cannot teach anyone anything, nor is it my duty to ensure that people "get it." All I can do is express the message and as you know, the Remnant is small . . . few will ever understand.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

My friend all you say here is true and people would be wise to take it into consideration. I know you feel like a broken record but never underestimate the power words have. as a writer I know first hand how words can either instruct build and inspire or they can belittle cripple and cause suffering. You never know how greatly the things you say effect the hearts of others it is like a pebble falling into a small pond it causes ripples andd those ripples expand and grow.

Thank you. I would love nothing more than to sit face to face with any pastor and have a discussion about the Gospel. They get angry and aggressive . . . so be it. I have had pastors in my home mocking and laughing in my face . . . it bothers me none. To date, not one pastor has ever been to hold his ground, because their ground is actually quicksand.

 

[Hann57]

Peter was preaching an accursed Gospel? You said he had a different Gospel that Paul. Yet Paul says if anyone preaches a different Gospel than he does, let him be accursed?

You cannot slice and dice the New Testament up like this. It is very dangerous. There is but one Gospel, and it includes within it, many things, as before mentioned: spiritual circumcision, message of the kingdom, repentance, faith, baptism(s), the one new man made up of Jew and gentile, the death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ and much much more.

Hebrews 6:1-2
Therefore leaving the teaching of the first principles of Christ, let’s press on to perfection—not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, of faith toward God, of the teaching of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

You have not got a clue what you are saying. you are blocked.

 

[Blain]

Thank you. I would love nothing more than to sit face to face with any pastor and have a discussion about the Gospel. They get angry and aggressive . . . so be it. I have had pastors in my home mocking and laughing in my face . . . it bothers me none. To date, not one pastor has ever been to hold his ground, because their ground is actually quicksand.

Yrs sadly those with the title pastor are not what they ought to be these days it is a problem I have seen many times

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Yrs sadly those with the title pastor are not what they ought to be these days it is a problem I have seen many times

The final letter of Paul, 2nd Timothy, outlines how Timothy was sent to that church in Ephesus because of the two false renegade teachers that had overrun it. And again, Paul said in that letter that all in the Province of Asia had abandoned him.

My friend, the True Flock of believers has been and always will be very, very small. Be thankful that you are a member. You are very, very rare. So, hold your head high in a rightly manner.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The Gospel to me means good news, teachings of Christ it does not mean anyones personal definitions. Amp "And if I have prophetic powers (the gift of interpreting the divine will and purpose), and understand all the secret truths and mysteries and possess all knowledge, and if I have [sufficient] faith so that I can remove mountains, but have not love (God’s love in me) I am nothing (a useless nobody)."

The good news to me is very simple. Yeshua/Jesus Christ came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin was buried rose the 3rd day is the only way to the Father. The good news.. GOD came and set you free! My personal view does not change or save anyone. Its HIM and Him alone. He saves He draws them not me. HAHA you don't agree? Praise GOD. With out love its all in vain. We forget how we should treat each other no matter HOW the other is treating us. Christ will say to some. No matter how you treat I am to love you as He loves me. This correcting is not being done in love. Anyway,.,.

this is pretty good and new , news too huh ?

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a lot of good news in the gospel it is the good news !!

 

[Isaskar]

You have not got a clue what you are saying. you are blocked.

In other words: You cannot respond as what I was saying is true, I proved from the Scriptures that they had the same Gospel or else Peter would have been preaching an accursed gospel (as Paul said), you noticed it and now instead of giving up this hyper-dispensational mess of a doctrine, you just go "LALALAAA can't hear you"

Works for me

 

[SomeDisciple]

Repentance has nothing to do with been saved.
People say they believe in Jesus. That does not save anyone. You need to believe Christ died for our sins... as Paul preached.
Anything else is vain.

No, listen to your Apostle Paul: For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. (2Cor7:10)

“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Why? why did he preach that? Because if you have such faith which does not bear fruits meet for repentance then your faith is dead and cannot save you.

Repentance is an essential part of the Gospel. it is step zero, preached by John the Baptist, before Jesus' ministry even began... and even by the prophets to Israel because even with the sacrifices being done by the High Priest to provide temporary atonement for their sins they still needed to have genuine repentance to avoid the Judgement of the Lord.

 

[Hann57]

this is pretty good and new , news too huh ?

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a lot of good news in the gospel it is the good news !!

Jesus was not speaking to yo

In other words: You cannot respond as what I was saying is true, I proved from the Scriptures that they had the same Gospel or else Peter would have been preaching an accursed gospel (as Paul said), you noticed it and now instead of giving up this hyper-dispensational mess of a doctrine, you just go "LALALAAA can't hear you"

Works for me

I might as well go " la la la la" because you are not interisted in the truth. all you want is an agrument, BYE.