What has happened to the doctrines of the protestant reformation?

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calvinsx76

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the protestant faith seems to have lost its identity. the contributions of John Calvin, Martin luther, Thomas Cranmer, and Augustine seem to have faded away over the last 200 years.

growing up in the Anglican communion, I feel like the protestant churches has lost it sense of history and teachings, and replaced it with a dumb down version of Christianity.

I feel like church leaders of todays need to be reeducated in the faith.

thoughts? what are we really learning at churches today?
 
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In what way do you feel the current churches have "dumbed down" Christianity?
 
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The identity of the church is found in none other than Jesus Christ.
 
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calvinsx76

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first I would say that the core teachings of protestant churches are no longer taught in the congregations. the teachings of justification, election, original sin, the commandments are not a primary focus. the works of the magisterial reformers are not being used in the congregations.
 
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By "teaching the commandments", are you referring to the 10 commandments that Moses brought down from Sinai?

And, please clarify "the works of the magisterial reformers" for me.... I'm ignorant of that expression...
 
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calvinsx76 said:
first I would say that the core teachings of protestant churches are no longer taught in the congregations. the teachings of justification, election, original sin, the commandments are not a primary focus. the works of the magisterial reformers are not being used in the congregations.
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Sounds like you object to the gospel being taught/exposited. You are looking for history lessons.
 
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I googled it... I believe that many of the works of those reformers are still being taught, but to place them on some type of pedestal would be wrong, other than respecting their knowledge and understanding, and their willingness to put themselves in harm's way for their beliefs.

No one person has, or had, all truth. Each of the reformers had some of the truth, and together, over time, those truths have been combined into the church that we know today.... imperfect still, but striving for perfection, always.
 
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the magisterial reformers embodied the work of Martin Luther in Germany, John Calvin in Geneva, William Tyndall in England and other prominent figures throughout Europe that responded to the church of Rome. the articles of faith that stood against Rome are no longer emphasis ed in those churches.
 
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again, if you could be more specific as to what you see as "missing"... just a general "it ain't like it used to be" is difficult to discuss...
 
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calvinsx76 said:
the protestant faith seems to have lost its identity. the contributions of John Calvin, Martin luther, Thomas Cranmer, and Augustine seem to have faded away over the last 200 years.

growing up in the Anglican communion, I feel like the protestant churches has lost it sense of history and teachings, and replaced it with a dumb down version of Christianity.

I feel like church leaders of todays need to be reeducated in the faith.

thoughts? what are we really learning at churches today?
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Let's not idealize the Reformers any more than the Church Fathers.
They had some agreements in the 5 Solas but vehemently disagreed over the Sacraments/Church-State relationship etc.
Though the Anglicans have a nice liturgy, I never thought their 39 articles was much to write home about.
Let's go back further than Calvin/Luther/ Melancthon and even the Church Fathers...let's get back to Paul, Peter, John, Luke etc..
 
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please clarify "the works of the magisterial reformers" for me....
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Magisterial Reformation is characterized by an emphasis on the authority of a teacher.
The OP seems to be looking for authority in men when it is the authority of Christ we seek.
 
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calvinsx76

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just the opposite....I believe the message of the Gospel isn't being preached. the historical protestant churches preach on justification by faith, election by God and the depravity of sin. subjects that are barley discussed.
 
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calvinsx76 said:
just the opposite....I believe the message of the Gospel isn't being preached. the historical protestant churches preach on justification by faith, election by God and the depravity of sin. subjects that are barley discussed.
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Find a different congregation and teacher/preacher, then. My church is wonderful :)
 
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calvinsx76 said:
just the opposite....I believe the message of the Gospel isn't being preached. the historical protestant churches preach on justification by faith, election by God and the depravity of sin. subjects that are barley discussed.
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We discuss them aplenty on this forum.
 
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calvinsx76

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just to clarify, I am not elevating the authority of the reformers, but stating I support the positions of the magisterial reformers, which I agree to be biblical.

my point of this discussion is to discuss falling away of these churches from their historical beliefs..
 
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calvinsx76

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the positions of the modern christian churches are more Roman catholic as opposed to the historical protestant faith.
 
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calvinsx76 said:
the positions of the modern christian churches are more Roman catholic as opposed to the historical protestant faith.
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shhh, they don't want anybody to notice.
 
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calvinsx76 said:
the positions of the modern christian churches are more Roman catholic as opposed to the historical protestant faith.
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Has your church fallen away? Then flee from it. My church has not fallen away.
 
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calvinsx76

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Karrister...I don't think anyone has really noticed. lol
 
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