What if God had written IN STONE?

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The foundation of the Christian faith is the Apostles and Prophets; with Jesus Christ himself being the cornerstone. Of most imporatance, the gospel is faith in Jesus- and the 10 commandments will get you nowhere without faith.

I'm definitely not saying don't follow the commandments; but "foundation" is a strong word.
I would only disagree with you slightly in that the Apostles and Prophets are not the foundation, their message is.

We, including all Apostles and Prophets, are all bricks/stones in the building of God and Christ is the Cornerstone, but the foundation is the message they all delivered and that message is obedience to God's Law.

God's Law, the 10 Commandments, are what all of Christianity is built upon. They are far more than basic moral rules. They are the very character of God Almighty. They are the mirror that we test ourselves against, they expose our sin, our misalignment with God.

The decalogue is the spine, or the skeleton, of the Christian Faith. Jesus taught them and obeyed them as an everlasting example of how to be a Christian. Christ was a follower of God's Law. Professing to be a Christian while foregoing the 10 Commandments makes no sense at all, yet it is exactly what modern Christians are doing all over the world today because that is what is being taught in almost every church and seminary today worldwide.

The wolves are at the pulpits and their righteousness doesn't even come close to that of the hypocrites of Matt. 5:20 today as they don't even teach the 10 Commandments which are the very character structure of God Almighty.
 
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hmm...

well, not sure it is required for you to curse & wither a fig tree to inherit eternal life
All I did was ask you this simple question and you were not confident enough to give an answer to the question.

Are there any New Testament works from Jesus Christ which are absolutely unnecessary and, if so, which ones? ;)
 
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Here ya go. Kind of a bad memory ya got there,

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PennEd said:
As believers in Christ, we have fulfilled the Law by loving Him, and loving our neighbors as ourselves.
Braweh said:
That's not what Jesus taught.
Now I remember you, Penn. I've seen you on many other sites.

You're mr and mrs twisty twister.

Ok.

You have your fun, I have better things to do.
 
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i think if we examome ourselves not one of us kept "do not covet" today just as one example.

so i thank God that for His grace, that His salvation is by His mercy, according to faith, and that He gives me life by promise, not by keeping the marriage covenant with the nation Israel.
I truly thought you had me for a minute with "examome", but I guess you meant examine.

We're not required to keep them perfectly, but most don't even make an attempt.

Big difference.
 
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Braweh , there is evidence in ACTS ther OAul was against the teachings of the law;

Act 21:20 And when they heard it,they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
Act 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

Paul did not teach the law according to scripture mentioned above however JESUS asks us to follow the law and his teachings, it is clearly written.

THe jews also got him arrested because he was against the law, it it clear in scripture below;
Paul Arrested in the Temple
Act 21:27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,
Act 21:28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.
Act 21:29 (For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)
Act 21:30 And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut.
Act 21:31 And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar.

blessings
Well, there were man-made laws that the Jews followed called Traditions of the Elders (Men). Jesus berated the Jews for this and for many other unGodly practices.
Mark 7:5-13

Paul taught against all of these, but he adhered to the 10 Commandments referred to as "the word" when describing his teachings from place to place.

The Jews also killed Jesus for teaching against their Traditions of the Elders (Men). He taught the 10 Commandments which they only hypocritically taught. Jesus stated in Matt. 23:1-3 that we should obey the 10 Commandments, which the scribes and Pharisees taught, but that we should not do as they do as they did not obey them at all.
 
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i don't think you understand what "the Law" is.

for example in James 2:9-10 scripture refers to Leviticus 19:15 saying that if you break any part of the Law you are guilty of all of it.

so when you delete all of Moses except the decalogue, you are heading straight for a very deep ditch with Matthew 5:19-20.
There are two laws, post.

That's why we have two different descriptions of them throughout the Bible.

One says the Law is bad and a curse, etc., the other says the Law is good and holy and forever, etc.
 
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Colossians 3:3, for example.

is it really so scary?
our entire religion centers around the death and resurrection of Christ.

it reminds me i have passed from death into life through faith, and that because i believe, i will never die - that even if i die, i will live.
that through dying with Him i am set free to live with Him.
Ok, but posthuman has a negative definition.
 

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There are two laws, post.

That's why we have two different descriptions of them throughout the Bible.

One says the Law is bad and a curse, etc., the other says the Law is good and holy and forever, etc.
that the 10 commandments is one good law and the rest of Torah is another evil law doesn't comport with James 2, nor with Christ declaring "all the Law" is based on two obscure statutes of Deuteronomy 6 and Leviticus 19. not to mention that all of the Law was given by the LORD.

i'm not aware of the Bible saying the Law is bad, or a curse.
whoever is under the Law is under the curses of the Law pronounced for disobedience to it, because all are disobedient. but that doesn't make the law bad or evil or a curse. it makes it holy and good, a blessing - showing us how much we need a Saviour and the mercy of God, always, and leading us to Him, describing Him and revealing His work in bring us to Him.

Deuteronomy is a marriage contract. it is wedding vows between God and the nation Israel.
Romans 7 explains that we are not under it, in Christ, in fact in order to belong to Christ we are necessarily not under it - and Paul uses one of the 10 commandments as an example of what he's calling "the Law" - so you can't tell me that when the epistles make it clear we are free from the Law it only means everything except the decalogue. it simply isn't true.
 

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Well, there were man-made laws that the Jews followed called Traditions of the Elders (Men). Jesus berated the Jews for this and for many other unGodly practices.
Mark 7:5-13

Paul taught against all of these, but he adhered to the 10 Commandments referred to as "the word" when describing his teachings from place to place.

The Jews also killed Jesus for teaching against their Traditions of the Elders (Men). He taught the 10 Commandments which they only hypocritically taught. Jesus stated in Matt. 23:1-3 that we should obey the 10 Commandments, which the scribes and Pharisees taught, but that we should not do as they do as they did not obey them at all.
The Sanhedrin killed Jesus because he had declared that he is the son GOD not for teaching the commandments.
 

john832

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Not sure if this was for me, but can't we put our trust in Jesus and obey His 10 Commandments?

Why does it have to be either, or?

Don't loving children trust their parents and obey them, mostly?
I don't believe it is either or, I believe what Christ said...

Joh_14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Joh_15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

1Jn_2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
 

john832

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But, ... the Law that Christ created and taught and obeyed was the 10 Commandments. That would logically be His Law.

And how do you interpret Jesus saying that those who teach and obey the 10 Commandments are greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven?
Matt. 5:19?

How do you interpret the next verse that says that we must be more righteous than those who teach the 10 Commandments but don't keep them?
Matt. 5:20?

How should we understand those teachings of Christ?
Actually it was Christ who gave the Ten Commandments at Mt. Sinai, He was the God of the Old testament.

He appeared to Moses and Moses actually saw His backside...

Exo 33:17 So the LORD said to Moses, "I will also do this thing that you have spoken; for you have found grace in My sight, and I know you by name."
Exo 33:18 And he said, "Please, show me Your glory."
Exo 33:19 Then He said, "I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."
Exo 33:20 But He said, "You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live."
Exo 33:21 And the LORD said, "Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock.
Exo 33:22 So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by.
Exo 33:23 Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen."

Now this could not have been the Father...

Joh_5:37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.

Joh_6:46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

No one has seen the Father. No one has heard His voice but Israel heard the voice of God...

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

Exo 20:19 Then they said to Moses, "You speak with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die."

Scared them nearly to death.

Who did they hear?

Exo 3:14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.' "

Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

Jesus Christ was the Great I AM who gave the Ten Commandments. They are His Commandments and He doesn't change...

Mal 3:6 "For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

He did not come to change anything concerning the Law.

Braweh, I agree with you.
 

john832

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It does because all the law including those were nailed to the cross.
Got some scripture for that bold statement? Jesus said...

Mat_5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Mat_5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Mat_24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Mar_13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
 

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Got some scripture for that bold statement? Jesus said...

Mat_5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Mat_5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Mat_24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

Mar_13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
Don't you believe that Jesus fulfilled the law, every jot and tittle?