What if I am wrong

[RickyZ]

There are things I believe wholeheartedly. Studied prayed sought listened. Because of this some of my stands may seem inflexible.

Yet the over-riding thing in my mind is, I'm human. Stupid arrogant blind ignorant. And because of that, I always leave at least 10% chance that I may in fact be wrong.

So, what if we're wrong?

Like on the tongues thing, many of you know me to be a staunch proponent. But I do from time to time ask myself, what if I am wrong? Then what I've involved myself in is foolishness. And yes as a human I'm prooone to foolishness. But then I also think, wow, even in my foolishness, God honored my prayers anyways - and caused what I was praying over to come thru to His glory anyways! Wow. Even in my foolishness HE came thru.

But if you believe they have ceased... what if you're wrong?

Salvation ... I believe it can be forfeited, but ONLY by denying Christ. What if I'm wrong? Well then I've avoided denying Christ for no reason (ykwim )

If you believe it can't be lost ... what if you are wrong?

So that's the question ... what if something you believe is wrong? What might be the consequences?

 

[AuntieAnt]

There are things I believe wholeheartedly. Studied prayed sought listened. Because of this some of my stands may seem inflexible.

Yet the over-riding thing in my mind is, I'm human. Stupid arrogant blind ignorant. And because of that, I always leave at least 10% chance that I may in fact be wrong.

So, what if we're wrong?

Like on the tongues thing, many of you know me to be a staunch proponent. But I do from time to time ask myself, what if I am wrong? Then what I've involved myself in is foolishness. And yes as a human I'm prooone to foolishness. But then I also think, wow, even in my foolishness, God honored my prayers anyways - and caused what I was praying over to come thru to His glory anyways! Wow. Even in my foolishness HE came thru.

But if you believe they have ceased... what if you're wrong?

Salvation ... I believe it can be forfeited, but ONLY by denying Christ. What if I'm wrong? Well then I've avoided denying Christ for no reason (ykwim )

If you believe it can't be lost ... what if you are wrong?

So that's the question ... what if something you believe is wrong? What might be the consequences?

Very humbly written, brother. Thank you for giving us something to think about.

Our own human understanding isn't 10% wrong. It's 100% wrong.

I'm reminded of the Psalm of David, in Ps 139, he writes that the Eternal Presence of God is too wonderful to perceive, too lofty for his mind to understand. He realizes God is so Great & Mighty, he can never ever escape His Presence, and exclaims, “If I make my bed in hell, behold - You are there!” David surrenders his mind to God’s control, “Search me and know my heart and let me know if there’s any wickedness and lead me away from it.” David trusts God to control his life.

The Apostle Paul wrote in Romans 7, “Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.” Paul cannot change his flesh, so he abandons his mind to God and the Spirit controls his thoughts and conforms him into Christ’s image. Paul trusts God to control his life.

There is sweet freedom in abandoning our minds to God, trusting Him with all your heart, and not depending on your own understanding. There is perfect peace when we can acknowledge God in everything and know He is directing our path.

When there are questions such as this (Am I doing this right? Or am I in error?), we can abandon our minds to God on the matter. He will search our heart, reveal to us our deep, hidden motives, and will guide us in Jesus: the Way, the Truth, and the Life. We can only trust the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to us. And we can do that by humbly surrendering our minds to God. He alone is faithful to answer us and show the way.

 

[Didymous]

There are things I believe wholeheartedly. Studied prayed sought listened. Because of this some of my stands may seem inflexible.

Yet the over-riding thing in my mind is, I'm human. Stupid arrogant blind ignorant. And because of that, I always leave at least 10% chance that I may in fact be wrong.

So, what if we're wrong?

Like on the tongues thing, many of you know me to be a staunch proponent. But I do from time to time ask myself, what if I am wrong? Then what I've involved myself in is foolishness. And yes as a human I'm prooone to foolishness. But then I also think, wow, even in my foolishness, God honored my prayers anyways - and caused what I was praying over to come thru to His glory anyways! Wow. Even in my foolishness HE came thru.

But if you believe they have ceased... what if you're wrong?

Salvation ... I believe it can be forfeited, but ONLY by denying Christ. What if I'm wrong? Well then I've avoided denying Christ for no reason (ykwim )

If you believe it can't be lost ... what if you are wrong?

So that's the question ... what if something you believe is wrong? What might be the consequences?

I don't necessarily believe the gifts have ceased, but I definitely don't believe that speaking in tongues is the evidence of being baptized with the Holy Spirit. I've never thought speaking in tongues was a salvation issue, so I don't suppose you'll have major consequences about that.

 

[azamzimtoti]

I'm not affected as I had my tongsils out as a kid

 

[Adelia]

I do not believe tongues have ceased. Scripture tells us they will: not that they have. I also believe that tongues are not a requirement for salvation.

 

[Lanolin]

I always find it weird when people say tongues have ceased because right up to today people are still talking about Jesus. In revelation it shows us that there was silence in heaven for half an hour. Just half an hour though. Presumably everyone started praising God again right after.

Revelation 8:8

 

[obedienttogod]

My wife tells me I am wrong all of the time.

This thread reminds of:
A preacher instructing you to write the verses down he used in his sermon, so you can read them later, to see if you come to the same conclusion.

On a serious note, we believe that if we read a verse and pray for understanding, that God will grant us with some insight and Truth concerning the verse. And then it's a real possibility that after a couple of years pass by, when we find ourselves reading the same scripture again, that this time the Holy Spirit has given us even more insight than before.

I absolutely believe, if we sincerely go before God and seek the meaning to any part of His WORD, He is faithful to grant us our desire. But if you do not get the full meaning right away, does this mean you have the understanding of a half truth? And does a half truth equal enough to claim, you are somewhat right about the meaning of the scripture?

To me, a partial Truth that is the Truth, before getting more insight. Is still enough to believe in, because the partial Truth is what God gave to you.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

There are things I believe wholeheartedly. Studied prayed sought listened. Because of this some of my stands may seem inflexible.

Yet the over-riding thing in my mind is, I'm human. Stupid arrogant blind ignorant. And because of that, I always leave at least 10% chance that I may in fact be wrong.

So, what if we're wrong?

Like on the tongues thing, many of you know me to be a staunch proponent. But I do from time to time ask myself, what if I am wrong? Then what I've involved myself in is foolishness. And yes as a human I'm prooone to foolishness. But then I also think, wow, even in my foolishness, God honored my prayers anyways - and caused what I was praying over to come thru to His glory anyways! Wow. Even in my foolishness HE came thru.

But if you believe they have ceased... what if you're wrong?

Salvation ... I believe it can be forfeited, but ONLY by denying Christ. What if I'm wrong? Well then I've avoided denying Christ for no reason (ykwim )

If you believe it can't be lost ... what if you are wrong?

So that's the question ... what if something you believe is wrong? What might be the consequences?

Loyalties

Being wrong challenges our foundations, and we always need to check our foundations.
Paul went to Jerusalem to check he was not running the race in vain.

Paul calls us to test everything even our own faith. We are by nature empirical creatures
relying on what went before. Something new is dangerous and can be upsetting.

But in Christ, we are called to change, to transformation, to build new aspects into our lives.
So we are always vulnerable, always open, always ready to work things through, to carry our
cross and learn and grow so Gods blessing can be shown to all.

So the thought I have is not could we be wrong, is could this brother or sister be just testifying to
a work of God in their heart, and to those that are, Amen.

God bless you

 

[stonesoffire]

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.


13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.




4 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?


25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.





28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.


29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.



Why be negative? Trust in the Lord. Stay in touch with Him. Learn to hear His Voice speak and wait till He does. It's in the middle of us, not in our minds. We may have impressions in our minds, and scripture may rise to our minds, but His Voice is not far from our heart. Wait in faith expecting.

We will make mistakes. That becomes learning processes if we don't give up.


And the devil is called a deaf and dumb Spirit. Put that label on it...don't magnify his power. That is negative "faith" which could open wrong doors.

And none of us is right about everything.

 

[stonesoffire]

I don't necessarily believe the gifts have ceased, but I definitely don't believe that speaking in tongues is the evidence of being baptized with the Holy Spirit. I've never thought speaking in tongues was a salvation issue, so I don't suppose you'll have major consequences about that.

Am curios Didymous. What would be the evidence as you see it?



Not trying to start another controversy, I just want to understand what this would be.

 

[Budman]

There are things I believe wholeheartedly. Studied prayed sought listened. Because of this some of my stands may seem inflexible.

Yet the over-riding thing in my mind is, I'm human. Stupid arrogant blind ignorant. And because of that, I always leave at least 10% chance that I may in fact be wrong.

So, what if we're wrong?

Like on the tongues thing, many of you know me to be a staunch proponent. But I do from time to time ask myself, what if I am wrong? Then what I've involved myself in is foolishness. And yes as a human I'm prooone to foolishness. But then I also think, wow, even in my foolishness, God honored my prayers anyways - and caused what I was praying over to come thru to His glory anyways! Wow. Even in my foolishness HE came thru.

But if you believe they have ceased... what if you're wrong?

Salvation ... I believe it can be forfeited, but ONLY by denying Christ. What if I'm wrong? Well then I've avoided denying Christ for no reason (ykwim )

If you believe it can't be lost ... what if you are wrong?

So that's the question ... what if something you believe is wrong? What might be the consequences?

I don't think you have to worry. Kinda like the different views on the Rapture.

Heck, when I was a new Christian, I belonged to a notorious cult. The kind that taught it's a terrible sin to question their teachings or leaders. Once I grew some backbone and was willing, the Holy Spirit led me out.

As far as the forfeiting salvation issue, just remember salvation is a gift via grace through and through. It's based on what Jesus did alone, not on what we did, do, or ever will do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If your wrong or if I am wrong we will both be laughing (Hopefully) In heaven about our disagreement

But for those who are rigid and attack and do not act christlike. They will suffer, Either in this life. Or pay for it in the next (Not by losing salvation if the have it)

And for those who make this a salvation issue, well they teach a different gospel. So not because they believe in tongues, but because their faith was in deeds not God. They will most likely suffer eternally.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't think you have to worry. Kinda like the different views on the Rapture.

Heck, when I was a new Christian, I belonged to a notorious cult. The kind that taught it's a terrible sin to question their teachings or leaders. Once I grew some backbone and was willing, the Holy Spirit led me out.

As far as the forfeiting salvation issue, just remember salvation is a gift via grace through and through. It's based on what Jesus did alone, not on what we did, do, or ever will do.

Yeah, The forfiet salvation thing is worrysome. If salvation is but by grace, it can never be forgfiet, it could only be forfeit if it had to be earned to begin with, Which means it was never by grace but by works. That in itself would be a false gospel

 

[Didymous]

Am curios Didymous. What would be the evidence as you see it?



Not trying to start another controversy, I just want to understand what this would be.

I don't think there's anything to see. I don't doubt that there could be for others, but there wasn't for me, or others I know.

 

[Didymous]

I don't think there's anything to see. I don't doubt that there could be for others, but there wasn't for me, or others I know.

So many things of God must be taken on faith. I don't see why being baptized with the Holy Spirit should be any different(for me, at least). That's not to say that I'm against winds and fire for other folks, because if that's what they need, then I believe God would give them that.

 

[RickyZ]

I don't necessarily believe the gifts have ceased, but I definitely don't believe that speaking in tongues is the evidence of being baptized with the Holy Spirit. I've never thought speaking in tongues was a salvation issue, so I don't suppose you'll have major consequences about that.

Well that went off topic quickly!

 

[RickyZ]

12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.


13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.




4 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?


25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.





28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.


29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.



Why be negative? Trust in the Lord. Stay in touch with Him. Learn to hear His Voice speak and wait till He does. It's in the middle of us, not in our minds. We may have impressions in our minds, and scripture may rise to our minds, but His Voice is not far from our heart. Wait in faith expecting.

We will make mistakes. That becomes learning processes if we don't give up.


And the devil is called a deaf and dumb Spirit. Put that label on it...don't magnify his power. That is negative "faith" which could open wrong doors.

And none of us is right about everything.

But it seems none of us here are willing to admit we may be wrong. Positions are held like a marine holds a hill.

 

[RickyZ]

Am curios Didymous. What would be the evidence as you see it?



Not trying to start another controversy, I just want to understand what this would be.

Lots of other threads on the subject. Let's stick to the question of the OP

 

[RickyZ]

I don't think you have to worry. Kinda like the different views on the Rapture.

Heck, when I was a new Christian, I belonged to a notorious cult. The kind that taught it's a terrible sin to question their teachings or leaders. Once I grew some backbone and was willing, the Holy Spirit led me out.

As far as the forfeiting salvation issue, just remember salvation is a gift via grace through and through. It's based on what Jesus did alone, not on what we did, do, or ever will do.

OK, the rapture.

If you believe in pre-trib, what are the consequences of being wrong?

If you believe in post-trib, what are the consequences of being wrong?

If you believe mid-trib or pre wrath - well you're ok because you're not wrong

Just kidding!

 

[stonesoffire]

Lots of other threads on the subject. Let's stick to the question of the OP

Ok...but was this question ever asked? And it is relevant, but it's your thread.