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i'd consider you blessed then
i've heard too many sermons that gave me the impression the preacher was so concerned not to let anything go over anyone's head that they were aiming for the dirt in front of everyone's feet!
i think about how much harder it is for a person to keep 2,000 people in their pews every week if they don't do that . . and get all cynical and stuff.
i'm writing with the tacit assumption that the weekly addresses that go on from behind pulpits should be teaching.
and not something else.
because i'm not sure what else would be any kind of reasonable alternative - a pep talk? if that's all, i can kinda just read bumper stickers on my way out of the parking lot & make it to lunch early, can't i?
and not something else.
because i'm not sure what else would be any kind of reasonable alternative - a pep talk? if that's all, i can kinda just read bumper stickers on my way out of the parking lot & make it to lunch early, can't i?
so the guy who they call 'pastor' at the church we've been going to, yes, that's who you should call for an extra pair of hands and/or strong back. either he will help you, or he knows just who to send to help you or to send you to for help. same for a spiritual load that needs moving - if he's not the one to help you shoulder it, he is the one who knows who in the congregation is the one with the suitable shoulder.
A paster is one of the elders in a congregation, not the minister who preaches, however an elder can preach when the minister is out of town or sick. An elder’s main job is to make sure the sheep (members) are being properly fed and led. This means they make sure what is being taught is sound doctrine of the Bible only. They also settle disputes between members, and take the Lord’s Supper to members who are bedridden.
Probably should have asked this before asking about salary.
But, I've been thinking we all have the same eye for what he is, and I should know better coming from a denomination that doesn't even use the term beyond using it as a title. (Like Mr. or Mrs., Pastor is just a word of respect before someone's name. That kind of title.) We really don't all agree on what a pastor is supposed to do with that job, so thought I'd start there.
What is the pastor supposed to do? Teach? Only teach? Visit the sick? Minister to the flock? And, with minister to the flock, what does that entail? Only minister? Evangelize too?
It can be a lot of work for one fellow to handle. He'd need 72 hours a day to get it all done, and sleep would be something he should do only on holiday. AND, if he does his job right, there should be no holidays. lol
So, seriously, what is expected, in your mind for the word "pastor?" Can we come up with some generalized idea? I do get pastoring a church with 50 people is much different than pastoring a church with 1500. And pastoring in the country is much different than being an urban pastor, but what is the commonalities that form the word "pastor?"
But, I've been thinking we all have the same eye for what he is, and I should know better coming from a denomination that doesn't even use the term beyond using it as a title. (Like Mr. or Mrs., Pastor is just a word of respect before someone's name. That kind of title.) We really don't all agree on what a pastor is supposed to do with that job, so thought I'd start there.
What is the pastor supposed to do? Teach? Only teach? Visit the sick? Minister to the flock? And, with minister to the flock, what does that entail? Only minister? Evangelize too?
It can be a lot of work for one fellow to handle. He'd need 72 hours a day to get it all done, and sleep would be something he should do only on holiday. AND, if he does his job right, there should be no holidays. lol
So, seriously, what is expected, in your mind for the word "pastor?" Can we come up with some generalized idea? I do get pastoring a church with 50 people is much different than pastoring a church with 1500. And pastoring in the country is much different than being an urban pastor, but what is the commonalities that form the word "pastor?"
#UmmmmYah!!
Acts 6:1 ¶ And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You left out a few things Pastors do. My Grandfather was a Baptist Pastor. He had another job as carpenter/handyman... He in fact built (not helped but was in charge of building) many churches around the area. You see, Pastors like doctors see all sides of Human frailty as well as the good sides. I do not ever remember Him living in a parsonage but rather a house he built with his own hands. During his 50-60 years as a pastor, he brought many to Jesus Christ. Even today, people still remember and ask about him. Yes, he has been deceased for many moons but that has not eroded what he was able (with Jesus at his side) to do.
In summary, a TRUE Pastor is just about anything a fallen person needs in order to help them get back on track with the LORD.
They are far better a person than you or I ever could be.
In summary, a TRUE Pastor is just about anything a fallen person needs in order to help them get back on track with the LORD.
They are far better a person than you or I ever could be.
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What I meant is that I don't address the pastor (lower-case 'p') as Pastor (upper-case 'P') as though it were a title of rank or authority like Doctor or Captain. Similarly, I don't address any of the teachers in our congregation as Teacher So-and-So, and I don't get addressed as Musician Dino. It's not that I don't respect the role, but I don't think the role warrants an elevated title. I don't agree with the clergy/laity split. Rather, I believe in a plurality of elders, one of whom is in the role of senior pastor. I hope that makes sense. If the person in that role demanded to be addressed as Pastor, I would conclude that he definitely didn't warrant it.
