What is Calvinism?

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notuptome

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The five points of Calvinism are biblical. They way most teach them takes things beyond what the bible teaches and changes things from truthful to overstated exaggeration.

God is beyond any doubt sovereign but God still permits man to choose. The two are not exclusive of one another. God knows the future from the beginning but God does not intervene to subvert mans requirement to make a choice for or against Christ. Man cannot save himself and must rely upon the saving grace of God. Those who are saved can never become lost to God ever again.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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notuptome said:
The five points of Calvinism are biblical. They way most teach them takes things beyond what the bible teaches and changes things from truthful to overstated exaggeration.

God is beyond any doubt sovereign but God still permits man to choose. The two are not exclusive of one another. God knows the future from the beginning but God does not intervene to subvert mans requirement to make a choice for or against Christ. Man cannot save himself and must rely upon the saving grace of God. Those who are saved can never become lost to God ever again.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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So you said all the 5 points are biblical, but refute irresistible Grace in the next paragraph.
 
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Yeah man I have to agree with eternally grateful here you do seem to have a agenda towards the Calvinist almost a hatred for them and their theology you keep denying it but you really do not act out your words
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How many more times. I've said over and over . Yes I believe Calvinism is a false Gospel. All 5 points of the tulip are false. Its a anti biblical system. I'm honest and upfront about this and have been since i joined . I've repeated over and over and over that i do not hate calvinists but CalviNISM . There is a huge difference there . It seems like I'm hated for what i believe. Which is ironic .
 
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notuptome said:
The five points of Calvinism are biblical. They way most teach them takes things beyond what the bible teaches and changes things from truthful to overstated exaggeration.

God is beyond any doubt sovereign but God still permits man to choose. The two are not exclusive of one another. God knows the future from the beginning but God does not intervene to subvert mans requirement to make a choice for or against Christ. Man cannot save himself and must rely upon the saving grace of God. Those who are saved can never become lost to God ever again.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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The 5 points are the most unbiblical points you could make. They are deceiving Christians who although claim they are not calvnistic in their worldview, unwittingly they are . Because they allow even in part some of their doctrines .
 
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Blain said:
Yeah man I have to agree with eternally grateful here you do seem to have a agenda towards the Calvinist almost a hatred for them and their theology you keep denying it but you really do not act out your words
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Calvinist = the person. Calvinism = the system. I dislike the system strongly because its deceived the majority of the body today .
 
Blain

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throughfaith said:
Calvinist = the person. Calvinism = the system. I dislike the system strongly because its deceived the majority of the body today .
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Most here disagree and dislike their system as well but you don't see them making thread after thread about it, I have a true hatred for false prophets I am disgusted and m,y anger boils inside me when I see how so many of these people mislead the body of Christ and trust me I am not one who is prone to anger but I don't make threads about it and don't make a point to be known as that

You are a insightful person and as such you would be doing a lot more good helping to build the church and help people develope their relationship with God
 
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wonder if I should make a post called What is Lanolinism?

It would make an interesting you tube video.
I would have to explain where lanolin comes from and what it does to your skin.
I could also make 5 points about it, and an extra point if you apply it everyday.
 
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Blain said:
Most here disagree and dislike their system as well but you don't see them making thread after thread about it, I have a true hatred for false prophets I am disgusted and m,y anger boils inside me when I see how so many of these people mislead the body of Christ and trust me I am not one who is prone to anger but I don't make threads about it and don't make a point to be known as that

You are a insightful person and as such you would be doing a lot more good helping to build the church and help people develope their relationship with God
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I'm sorry you see it that way . I do see by exposing false teaching ( As Jesus ,Paul ect did ) is helping build the church and help people develope their relationship with God. False teaching is the greatest problem in the church . So many brothers and sisters are growing in the Lord having been set from calvinistic teaching . Many churches are being taken over by the error of Calvinism/ Lordship Salvation . This is happening because Christians are rolling over and letting it happen because they gotta have that ' unity ' at all costs .
 
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throughfaith said:
The 5 points are the most unbiblical points you could make. They are deceiving Christians who although claim they are not calvnistic in their worldview, unwittingly they are . Because they allow even in part some of their doctrines .
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You are quite judgmental and quite wrong. Most Calvinists do teach the five points in error the five points are found in scripture.

I suspect that you are having difficulty understanding that God can be, and is, sovereign while at the same time allowing man to choose what man desires to choose.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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notuptome said:
You are quite judgmental and quite wrong. Most Calvinists do teach the five points in error the five points are found in scripture.

I suspect that you are having difficulty understanding that God can be, and is, sovereign while at the same time allowing man to choose what man desires to choose.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Are you not being judgmental ? I don't start with ' sovereignty ' ( Which verse says this word BTW) And I don't start with ' freewill ' . I try to stick to the Scriptures and not a philosophy.
 
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notuptome said:
You are quite judgmental and quite wrong. Most Calvinists do teach the five points in error the five points are found in scripture.

I suspect that you are having difficulty understanding that God can be, and is, sovereign while at the same time allowing man to choose what man desires to choose.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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///Most Calvinists do teach the five points in error the five points are found in scripture.///
Not sure what you mean here ?
 
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notuptome said:
The five points of Calvinism are biblical. They way most teach them takes things beyond what the bible teaches and changes things from truthful to overstated exaggeration.

God is beyond any doubt sovereign but God still permits man to choose. The two are not exclusive of one another. God knows the future from the beginning but God does not intervene to subvert mans requirement to make a choice for or against Christ. Man cannot save himself and must rely upon the saving grace of God. Those who are saved can never become lost to God ever again.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I think men make many claims about what they say God can and cannot do .
 
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notuptome said:
The five points of Calvinism are biblical. They way most teach them takes things beyond what the bible teaches and changes things from truthful to overstated exaggeration.

God is beyond any doubt sovereign but God still permits man to choose. The two are not exclusive of one another. God knows the future from the beginning but God does not intervene to subvert mans requirement to make a choice for or against Christ. Man cannot save himself and must rely upon the saving grace of God. Those who are saved can never become lost to God ever again.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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If only Calvinism was just about who's in charge.
 
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Lanolin said:
wonder if I should make a post called What is Lanolinism?

It would make an interesting you tube video.
I would have to explain where lanolin comes from and what it does to your skin.
I could also make 5 points about it, and an extra point if you apply it everyday.
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Calvinism is just as silly and look how far it went lol 😆
 
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throughfaith said:
Are you not being judgmental ? I don't start with ' sovereignty ' ( Which verse says this word BTW) And I don't start with ' freewill ' . I try to stick to the Scriptures and not a philosophy.
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Do you deny that God is sovereign? Or that man has free will to choose or reject Christ?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
notuptome

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throughfaith said:
///Most Calvinists do teach the five points in error the five points are found in scripture.///
Not sure what you mean here ?
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The TULIP is found in scripture just not taught as Calvinists teach it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
notuptome

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throughfaith said:
I think men make many claims about what they say God can and cannot do .
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God has declared Himself to the the Only True God. There is none greater and there is none that can stay His hand.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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notuptome said:
The TULIP is found in scripture just not taught as Calvinists teach it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Nice flower . Terrible theology. Not one point is true . Your better off just sticking to the Scriptures.
 
notuptome

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throughfaith said:
Nice flower . Terrible theology. Not one point is true . Your better off just sticking to the Scriptures.
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All five points are true and scriptural. How many sins does it take to make a man depraved and unable to save himself?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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