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JohnChingford2007

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Jesus said: "Where two or three are gathered together in my Name, there am I in the midst".

What is the church? Is it church services? Let us consider what the scriptures say about the church:

Taken from 1 Corinthians12:12-20
"The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body."


Therefore the church is the body of Christ. The body of Christ is made up of all born-again believers worldwide. There can also be local bodies made up of the members of a local assembly. The church is NOT meetings or services. These are just one of many things the church (body) does.

For example, is Paul addressing what is done in church services when he states women should not speak?

No! It is a general rule that women should not seek to exercise authority over men or seek to teach them. This applies whether you are at a meeting or outside a meeting. It applies whenever the church is gathered. ie whenever two or three or more Christians get together, for Jesus said where two or three are gathered together, I am there with you.

Does 1 Corinthians or any other NT passage mention that the church means services? In 1 Cor 11 it says "your meetings", but does that mean "services"? The context would suggest not. Meetings are "gatherings together" of believers. It doesn't always result in services. In 1 Cor 11 it was discussing having proper full meals together to commemorate the Last Supper, not a ceremonious wafer and sip of communion wine.

You don't read anywhere of "services". You DO read of the church gathered together to study the scriptures and pray together (in an informal way) including EACH ONE (not just one person) sharing their spiritual gifts and eating meals together etc. Paul saw that it was chaotic BECAUSE it was informal. He showed us how to retain informality but to do it decently and in order. The problem is that the church has been so concerned with "decent and in order" aspect that they have turned the meetings into "services" or "ceremonies".
 
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AnandaHya

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the church is MORE then just the meeting of two or three people otherwise these words do not make sense for why would the church need to be told if two or three people ARE the church?

Matthew 18:16-18
New King James Version (NKJV)
16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’[a] 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
18 “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.


the church is the body of believers in a certain area given stewardship of all of God's children in that area to help them grow in Christ. the Bible talks about more then one church on Earth and ONE joined spiritually by Christ as the head. just as there are two types of wisdom there are numerous types of churches. Revelations speaks of 7 prototypes still found evident in the world today.


Acts 9:31
Then the churches throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were edified. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, they were multiplied.

1 Corinthians 7:17 But as God has distributed to each one, as the Lord has called each one, so let him walk. And so I ordain in all the churches.

according to your definition then the room of Pentecost would be considered a "church" since it had 120 disciples of Christ gathered together, but I do not think that is God's definition because then these verses would make not sense because you also state women are not to speak in "church". I do not agree with your definition of church.

Acts 2
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.


mmmm
 
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The Church is the eklesia.

Any gathering of Christians is....Church.
 
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Tobby17

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Church is me and you coming together (as christians ofcourse) to fellowship with God
 
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Strangedoc, you do not know what the scriptures teach about the NT church and the call of God to assemble with other believers under a pastor-teacher. You don't know it because you have not studied the NT scriptures on it and do not put yourself in a local assembly that God has raised up. Gathering yourself from time to time with a few of your friends that believe is not a local assembly where you are taught the word and doctrine and can participate jointly as a functioning member of a local body of believers. Where two or more are gathered together does not constitute the church, it is a reference to the work of the ministry that goes out to preach the gospel with the promise that Christ will go with you.

The term 'service' simply means that we gather together as believer-priests so that God can serve and feed us His word, so that we can be a partaker of this service with one another and use it to serve one another. It is like sitting at a table and the food has been prepared to partake of with others. We all eat the same spiritual meat and all drink the same drink, which is Christ. This term 'service' is the same as 'ministry'. There should be no problem understanding this and certainly no one should be judged or criticized for using that term.

1Thes 1:1-10 1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians (geographical location is referred to in this letter) which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. 2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers; 3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father; 4 Knowing , brethren beloved , your election of God. 5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake. 6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit: 7 So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia. 8 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad ; so that we need not to speak any thing. (this is the result and fruit of a local assembly of believers that fucntion under the word as one body) 9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come .
 
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Strangedoc, you do not know what the scriptures teach about the NT church and the call of God to assemble with other believers under a pastor-teacher. You don't know it because you have not studied the NT scriptures on it and do not put yourself in a local assembly that God has raised up. Gathering yourself from time to time with a few of your friends that believe is not a local assembly where you are taught the word and doctrine and can participate jointly as a functioning member of a local body of believers. Where two or more are gathered together does not constitute the church, it is a reference to the work of the ministry that goes out to preach the gospel with the promise that Christ will go with you.

The term 'service' simply means that we gather together as believer-priests so that God can serve and feed us His word, so that we can be a partaker of this service with one another and use it to serve one another. It is like sitting at a table and the food has been prepared to partake of with others. We all eat the same spiritual meat and all drink the same drink, which is Christ. This term 'service' is the same as 'ministry'. There should be no problem understanding this and certainly no one should be judged or criticized for using that term.

1Thes 1:1-10 1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians (geographical location is referred to in this letter) which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. 2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers; 3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father; 4 Knowing , brethren beloved , your election of God. 5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake. 6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit: 7 So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia. 8 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad ; so that we need not to speak any thing. (this is the result and fruit of a local assembly of believers that fucntion under the word as one body) 9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come .
It didnt do much good for you did it Redster?

Your a dispy!

Eklesia is Christians. We are the Church.

It's not getting brainwashed in cell groups by a change agent to follow jewish fables
 
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It didnt do much good for you did it Redster?

Your a dispy!

Eklesia is Christians. We are the Church.

It's not getting brainwashed in cell groups by a change agent to follow jewish fables
The problem with you and many others on this site is that you can only hack certain pet doctrine that you can conform to, but there are scores of NT doctrine that you want nothing with and don't even want to hear with your ear.
 
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The problem with you and many others on this site is that you can only hack certain pet doctrine that you can conform to, but there are scores of NT doctrine that you want nothing with and don't even want to hear with your ear.
Like what?

Dispology?

Pre trib rupture?

Jew-hating Dual covenantism?

Dominionism?

Yup...dont want anything to do with it.