I tried to believe in the salvation of all but there are too many loopholes. That would be equal to purgatory, so no, I do not believe in the salvation of all, also known as "apocatastasis".
Matthew 7:13-14 makes it clear enough. I do not know the original texts good enough
[/QUOTE]The punishment indeed is eternal, but that does not equal eternal torment.
Matthew 7:13-14 makes it clear enough. I do not know the original texts good enough
Part I
For the unfaithful, Hell begins at the time of death in Hades. The real event of the rich man and Lazarus teaches us that both Lazarus and the rich man died, but their spirits departed from there bodies and went down into Hades. There were/are two separate areas of Hades, one a place of comfort/paradise which is where Lazarus and Abraham were and the other place was/is a place of real torment in real flame. There is no symbolism here, as the real names of Lazarus, Abraham and Moses are used, as well as the literal location of Hades. This is the area where the rich man went, still is and will remain until he is resurrected out Hades with the rest of the unrighteous dead at the great white throne judgment (Rev.20:11-15). Once they have been officially judged, they will then be thrown into the lake of fire separated from God for eternity, conscious and aware in torment in flame.
There are three individual words translated as "hell"
Tartaroo/Tartartus = Used once in 2 peter 2:4 and referred to in Jude 6, which is most likely describing the place under the earth where God put the angels who sinned by taking wives from the progeny of mankind and had offspring.
Sheol/Hades = Which is where the spirits of the wicked depart to at the time of the death of the body and which is the same place where the rich man went to and still and where he is in real torment, in real flame.
Gehenna = This is another designation for the lake of fire, everlasting fire and the second death. This is the final place of conscious existing punishment. This is the place that was prepared for Satan and his angels and for all who die in their sins by rejecting Christ.
As previously stated, it is not a parable, but Christ was revealing a literal event and giving us a glimpse into what happens to the spirit at the time of death. When it is forced into being a parable, the meaning is distorted. However, if it is read in its plain literal sense, then there is much to be garnered from it.
The above is false! Right in the context, the rich man states that he is in torment in the flame and was asking for actual water to touch his tongue. It would have been what he remembered from being alive, which is that water quenches thirst. There is no symbolism here.
Below is the definition of the
Strong's Concordance
basanos: a touchstone (a dark stone used in testing metals), hence examination by torture, torture
Original Word: βάσανος, ου, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: basanos
Phonetic Spelling: (bas'-an-os)
Definition: a touchstone (a dark stone used in testing metals), examination by torture, torture
Usage: torture, torment, examination by torture.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 931 básanos – originally, a black, silicon-based stone used as "a touchstone" to test the purity of precious metals (like silver and gold). See 928 (basanízō).
[In the papyri, basanos also means, "touchstone," "test" (so P Oxy I. 58.25, ad 288).
931 (basanois) was "originally (from oriental origin) a touchstone; a 'Lydian stone' used for testing gold because pure gold rubbed on it left a peculiar mark. Then it was used for examination by torture. Sickness was often regarded as 'torture' " (WP, 1, 37).]
That examination by torture will be eternal. Notice that the word does not specify an end to the examination by torture. Many people try to use this definition to take away from the fact that punishment is eternal.
For the unfaithful, Hell begins at the time of death in Hades. The real event of the rich man and Lazarus teaches us that both Lazarus and the rich man died, but their spirits departed from there bodies and went down into Hades. There were/are two separate areas of Hades, one a place of comfort/paradise which is where Lazarus and Abraham were and the other place was/is a place of real torment in real flame. There is no symbolism here, as the real names of Lazarus, Abraham and Moses are used, as well as the literal location of Hades. This is the area where the rich man went, still is and will remain until he is resurrected out Hades with the rest of the unrighteous dead at the great white throne judgment (Rev.20:11-15). Once they have been officially judged, they will then be thrown into the lake of fire separated from God for eternity, conscious and aware in torment in flame.
There are three individual words translated as "hell"
Tartaroo/Tartartus = Used once in 2 peter 2:4 and referred to in Jude 6, which is most likely describing the place under the earth where God put the angels who sinned by taking wives from the progeny of mankind and had offspring.
Sheol/Hades = Which is where the spirits of the wicked depart to at the time of the death of the body and which is the same place where the rich man went to and still and where he is in real torment, in real flame.
Gehenna = This is another designation for the lake of fire, everlasting fire and the second death. This is the final place of conscious existing punishment. This is the place that was prepared for Satan and his angels and for all who die in their sins by rejecting Christ.
As previously stated, it is not a parable, but Christ was revealing a literal event and giving us a glimpse into what happens to the spirit at the time of death. When it is forced into being a parable, the meaning is distorted. However, if it is read in its plain literal sense, then there is much to be garnered from it.
The above is false! Right in the context, the rich man states that he is in torment in the flame and was asking for actual water to touch his tongue. It would have been what he remembered from being alive, which is that water quenches thirst. There is no symbolism here.
Below is the definition of the
Strong's Concordance
basanos: a touchstone (a dark stone used in testing metals), hence examination by torture, torture
Original Word: βάσανος, ου, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: basanos
Phonetic Spelling: (bas'-an-os)
Definition: a touchstone (a dark stone used in testing metals), examination by torture, torture
Usage: torture, torment, examination by torture.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 931 básanos – originally, a black, silicon-based stone used as "a touchstone" to test the purity of precious metals (like silver and gold). See 928 (basanízō).
[In the papyri, basanos also means, "touchstone," "test" (so P Oxy I. 58.25, ad 288).
931 (basanois) was "originally (from oriental origin) a touchstone; a 'Lydian stone' used for testing gold because pure gold rubbed on it left a peculiar mark. Then it was used for examination by torture. Sickness was often regarded as 'torture' " (WP, 1, 37).]
That examination by torture will be eternal. Notice that the word does not specify an end to the examination by torture. Many people try to use this definition to take away from the fact that punishment is eternal.
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